High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle they face $100 fine

blog.cleveland.com/ ^ | August 20, 2010 | Mark Gillispie

[goldendays]

Government is enforcement you into this Agenda,21,Sustainable, Development Make Mine Freedom (1948) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY&feature=player_embedded#!

[E. Pluribus Unum]

Isn't Cleveland one of those labor-union, socialist, hell-hole utopias like Detroit that tax-and-spent itself into a bombed-out shell?

I guess they want to drive any remaining productive citizens out, once and for all.

[FrankR]

I
Would
Simply
Move
And
Get
Away
From
That
Nanny
State
Bull$hi+

[Malone LaVeigh]

Can they fine you if the chip in your trash can gets, uh, damaged?

[nascarnation]

It’s a bad place. Started when Boy Wonder Kucinich took it into municipal bankruptcy in the 80s.

At that point I left.

Inherited a house up there last year, selling it is a nightmare.

[Vigilanteman]

I'll bet there will be a great increase in the number of micro-chipped carts rolled to the curb with 1 or 2 cans in them. And I'll bet even more that the nannies who run this project in Cleveland will tout it as evidence of its roaring success.

I say this not as a guy who wants to pooh-pooh the benefits of recycling (I do it, I think everyone should), but as one who wants to pooh-pooh the benefits of big nanny government.

[dennisw]

I’ll be the first to say it-— “Just a lot of lard arse bureaucrats with too much time on their hands”

It’s better they play solitaire on their computers for 7 hours a day. Instead they blow money on high tech garbage trucks and hassle taxpayers

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

“Isn’t Cleveland one of those labor-union, socialist, hell-hole utopias like Detroit “

Yes it is! When I go downtown, for any reason, I carry.

[Kozak]

Mr Chip meet Mr Hammer.....

[Kozak]

Think how much fun it would be to distribute your recyclables into the trash of your granola hippie neighbors....

[VA_Gentleman]

No kidding. If I had one of those bins with a chip in it... it might “accidentally” meet the business end of a hammer.

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

The country is falling apart thanks to a bunch of marxists, and they are fining people for not sorting their garbage!

[omega4179]

Please tell me this is from a 3rd rate sci fi novel.

[Right Wing Assault]

I am sure there is a money trail between some politician and the company who provides the equipment.

[chrisser]

selling it is a nightmare

Since we pay our mortgage, we're basically stuck here.

Many houses recently went up for sale on our street listed at prices that would have been considered realistic 5 years ago.

After a few months, all the signs were quietly taken down. Nobody is buying at the prices people need to get out from under their mortgages.

The people who bought high and defaulted are long gone, their houses foreclosed and resold for pennies on the dollar, and those places are now rentals bought by investors. Everyone who "played by the rules" and bought a house in the last 5-10 years (pre-bubble) saw their home values pulled down below what they owed and things still haven't recovered.

The only people in a "relatively" good position are those who bought 20+ years ago and have enough equity left that they can still take a loss and make enough on the sale for the downpayment somewhere else. We're trying to pay our mortgage down as fast as we can so we can at least break even, but with the fees and taxes and overall prices constantly rising, its a Sisyphusian effort.

If you can get out at a loss, my recommendation is to do so. It doesn't look like things are going to improve anytime soon here.

[STONEWALLS]

...I’ve got my doubts on whether this will work...snart chip or not...some folks just won’t make the effort...a while back Washington DC made a big appeal to residents to recycle...they figured the city could make millions a year by salvaging metals/plastic/cardboard...the better off neighborhoods complied...the bad neighborhoods were indifferent.

[sam_paine]

This article is complete horse$hit.

1) The “chipping” is just an RFID tag that allows the trash-truck/recycle-trucks’s computer to log a particular can to a particular issued-to address.

2) There is no way no how that any “smart-bin” can identify 10% recyclable material in a given bin. Even if each piece of recyclable trash had an RFID identifier in it, you still would need to know the weight of each empty bottle/can to calculate that.

Thus, the LIKELY method they use (deduced in spite of the idiotic article) is that the city is tracking the weight of your particular trash bin and your particular recycle bin, and penalizing you if you don’t have say 10lbs of recycled material for every 100lbs of trash-trash in the other bin.

THAT is possible.

But also stupid.

A) wedge a brick or path paver in your recycle bin to make sure it’s always above the 10% limit.
B) Be sure to run the hose on the bin after you put the newspaper in it. “A pint is a pound the world around!”
C) Put on some “Ramones” and ‘Beat your bin with a baseball bat.’ (Be sure to have multiple hits from ‘kids’ who happened to whack the RFID chip...)

[sam_paine]

they figured the city could make millions a year by salvaging metals/plastic/cardboard...the better off neighborhoods complied...the bad neighborhoods were indifferent.

It's not for increasing compliance. It's for increasing NON-compliance.

They just need an excuse to force you to voluntarily pay more fines.

[Mad Dawgg]

"High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle they face $100 fine"

Big Brother is watching!

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