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High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle they face $100 fine
blog.cleveland.com/ ^ | August 20, 2010 | Mark Gillispie

Posted on 08/20/2010 8:00:42 AM PDT by goldendays

High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle ... and they face $100 fine

Trash carts containing more than 10 percent recyclable material could lead to a $100 fine, according to Waste Collection Commissioner Ronnie Owens. Recyclables include glass, metal cans, plastic bottles, paper and cardboard. City Council on Wednesday approved spending $2.5 million on high-tech carts for 25,000 households across the city, expanding a pilot program that began in 2007 with 15,000 households.

The expansion will continue at 25,000 households a year until nearly all of the city's 150,000 residences are included. Existing carts might be retrofitted with the microchips. "We're trying to automate our system to be a more efficient operation," Owens said. "This chip will assist us in doing our job better."

The chip-embedded carts are just starting to catch on elsewhere. The Washington, D.C. suburb of Alexandria, Va., earlier this year announced it would issue carts to check whether people are recycling.

Some cities in England have used the high-tech trash carts for several years to weigh how much garbage people throw out. People are charged extra for exceeding allotted limits.

Cleveland officials want to automate nearly all residential waste collection under a program being financed in part by a new fee that went into effect earlier this year.

The automated trucks allow drivers to remain in the cab and empty carts using a remote-control arm. Cleveland owns three of these trucks and plans to buy nine more. Recycling is good for the environment and the city's bottom line, officials said. Cleveland pays $30 a ton to dump garbage in landfills, but earns $26 a ton for recyclables.

The city last year sent 220,000 tons of garbage to landfills and collected 5,800 tons of recyclables. City Council approved updated trash collection ordinances last month to include a section on automated waste collection and curbside recycling.

The new law changes infractions of the law from a minor misdemeanor to a civil penalty. The recycling law only applies to residents who have been issued the carts.

The new law also prohibits people from setting out excessive amounts of trash on tree lawns, which officials say has been an ongoing problem. Fines for excessive trash will range from $250 to $500 depending on the amount.

In either case, the property owner receives the citation. Landlords are responsible for making sure their tenants follow the law.

Owens said Cleveland will conduct a public-service campaign to educate residents about the new collection system and recycling program.

The city stepped up enforcement of ordinances governing trash collection last year by issuing 2,900 tickets, nearly five times more tickets than in 2008. Those infractions include citations for people who put out their trash too early or fail to bring in their garbage cans from the curb in a timely manner.

The Division of Waste Collection is on track to meet its goal of issuing 4,000 citations this year, Owens said. "We're trying to make sure Cleveland stays clean and residents are properly informed on how these things should be set out," he said. "By issuing these tickets, it's helping us change the attitude or perception on how things should be set out."

Councilman Martin Keane, who represents the West Park neighborhood, said he would prefer that the Division of Waste Collection use more discretion when deciding whether to issue a ticket. A warning in many instances would suffice, he said.

"Everybody knows the ones who blatantly disregards the law," Keane said. "Those are the people we should hit with a $100 ticket."


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1 posted on 08/20/2010 8:00:44 AM PDT by goldendays
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To: goldendays
Isn't Cleveland one of those labor-union, socialist, hell-hole utopias like Detroit that tax-and-spent itself into a bombed-out shell?

I guess they want to drive any remaining productive citizens out, once and for all.

2 posted on 08/20/2010 8:04:03 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: goldendays
I
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Nanny
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Bull$hi+
3 posted on 08/20/2010 8:04:48 AM PDT by FrankR (It doesn't matter what they call us, only what we answer to....)
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To: goldendays
Can they fine you if the chip in your trash can gets, uh, damaged?
4 posted on 08/20/2010 8:07:54 AM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It’s a bad place. Started when Boy Wonder Kucinich took it into municipal bankruptcy in the 80s.

At that point I left.

Inherited a house up there last year, selling it is a nightmare.


5 posted on 08/20/2010 8:08:51 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: goldendays
I'll bet there will be a great increase in the number of micro-chipped carts rolled to the curb with 1 or 2 cans in them. And I'll bet even more that the nannies who run this project in Cleveland will tout it as evidence of its roaring success.

I say this not as a guy who wants to pooh-pooh the benefits of recycling (I do it, I think everyone should), but as one who wants to pooh-pooh the benefits of big nanny government.

6 posted on 08/20/2010 8:11:36 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’ll be the first to say it-— “Just a lot of lard arse bureaucrats with too much time on their hands”

It’s better they play solitaire on their computers for 7 hours a day. Instead they blow money on high tech garbage trucks and hassle taxpayers


7 posted on 08/20/2010 8:12:09 AM PDT by dennisw (2012)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Isn’t Cleveland one of those labor-union, socialist, hell-hole utopias like Detroit “

Yes it is! When I go downtown, for any reason, I carry.


8 posted on 08/20/2010 8:12:52 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Mr Chip meet Mr Hammer.....


9 posted on 08/20/2010 8:13:21 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Think how much fun it would be to distribute your recyclables into the trash of your granola hippie neighbors....


10 posted on 08/20/2010 8:14:15 AM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

No kidding. If I had one of those bins with a chip in it... it might “accidentally” meet the business end of a hammer.


11 posted on 08/20/2010 8:16:41 AM PDT by VA_Gentleman ("Poor Al Gore. Global warming completely debunked via the very internet you invented." -Jon Stewart)
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To: goldendays

The country is falling apart thanks to a bunch of marxists, and they are fining people for not sorting their garbage!


12 posted on 08/20/2010 8:16:55 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Malone LaVeigh

Please tell me this is from a 3rd rate sci fi novel.


13 posted on 08/20/2010 8:23:27 AM PDT by omega4179 (JD Hayworth)
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To: goldendays

I am sure there is a money trail between some politician and the company who provides the equipment.


14 posted on 08/20/2010 8:24:03 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is <strike>fading</strike>gone.)
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To: nascarnation
selling it is a nightmare

Since we pay our mortgage, we're basically stuck here.

Many houses recently went up for sale on our street listed at prices that would have been considered realistic 5 years ago.

After a few months, all the signs were quietly taken down. Nobody is buying at the prices people need to get out from under their mortgages.

The people who bought high and defaulted are long gone, their houses foreclosed and resold for pennies on the dollar, and those places are now rentals bought by investors. Everyone who "played by the rules" and bought a house in the last 5-10 years (pre-bubble) saw their home values pulled down below what they owed and things still haven't recovered.

The only people in a "relatively" good position are those who bought 20+ years ago and have enough equity left that they can still take a loss and make enough on the sale for the downpayment somewhere else. We're trying to pay our mortgage down as fast as we can so we can at least break even, but with the fees and taxes and overall prices constantly rising, its a Sisyphusian effort.

If you can get out at a loss, my recommendation is to do so. It doesn't look like things are going to improve anytime soon here.
15 posted on 08/20/2010 8:24:20 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: goldendays

...I’ve got my doubts on whether this will work...snart chip or not...some folks just won’t make the effort...a while back Washington DC made a big appeal to residents to recycle...they figured the city could make millions a year by salvaging metals/plastic/cardboard...the better off neighborhoods complied...the bad neighborhoods were indifferent.


16 posted on 08/20/2010 8:27:13 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: goldendays; E. Pluribus Unum; FrankR; Malone LaVeigh; nascarnation; Vigilanteman; dennisw; ...

This article is complete horse$hit.

1) The “chipping” is just an RFID tag that allows the trash-truck/recycle-trucks’s computer to log a particular can to a particular issued-to address.

2) There is no way no how that any “smart-bin” can identify 10% recyclable material in a given bin. Even if each piece of recyclable trash had an RFID identifier in it, you still would need to know the weight of each empty bottle/can to calculate that.

Thus, the LIKELY method they use (deduced in spite of the idiotic article) is that the city is tracking the weight of your particular trash bin and your particular recycle bin, and penalizing you if you don’t have say 10lbs of recycled material for every 100lbs of trash-trash in the other bin.

THAT is possible.

But also stupid.

A) wedge a brick or path paver in your recycle bin to make sure it’s always above the 10% limit.
B) Be sure to run the hose on the bin after you put the newspaper in it. “A pint is a pound the world around!”
C) Put on some “Ramones” and ‘Beat your bin with a baseball bat.’ (Be sure to have multiple hits from ‘kids’ who happened to whack the RFID chip...)


17 posted on 08/20/2010 8:27:27 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: STONEWALLS
they figured the city could make millions a year by salvaging metals/plastic/cardboard...the better off neighborhoods complied...the bad neighborhoods were indifferent.

It's not for increasing compliance. It's for increasing NON-compliance.

They just need an excuse to force you to voluntarily pay more fines.

18 posted on 08/20/2010 8:29:16 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: goldendays
"High-tech carts will tell on Cleveland residents who don't recycle they face $100 fine"

Big Brother is watching!

19 posted on 08/20/2010 8:33:06 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the next one...)
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To: goldendays

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20 posted on 08/20/2010 8:36:07 AM PDT by goldendays (that)
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To: goldendays

I don’t understand. How does a chip know what is being put in the trash can?

Also a “nice” touch about the property owner getting the citation... Bet the landlord going after his “not-green-enough” tenants is going to be fun.


21 posted on 08/20/2010 8:36:48 AM PDT by BWDog
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To: Mad Dawgg

if you don,t pay the fine government will take your home


22 posted on 08/20/2010 8:38:00 AM PDT by goldendays (that)
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To: sam_paine
In Houston we have them: RFID chips in our recycling bins to force compliance, along with hefty fines up to $2000 for noncompliance.

I do no weld. I do not own welding equipment. I did, however get married a few years ago, and one of the presents we got and rarely use is a creme brulee kit that comes with a flamey-thing that cooks and browns the sugar on top of the brulee.

I have been advised to apply that to the RFID device, from the inside, so as to avoid any scorch marks.

23 posted on 08/20/2010 8:38:48 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: goldendays

In Philly, they have the equivalent of recylcing police. I’ve talked to residents, these green meter maids actually check your trashcans and have a handheld device that they can generate citations with. This is their idea of “Green jobs”, I suppose.


24 posted on 08/20/2010 8:40:30 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November from my HOUSE!)
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To: FrankR

it comeing to very state


25 posted on 08/20/2010 8:41:21 AM PDT by goldendays (that)
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To: dennisw

Cleveland pays $30 a ton to dump garbage in landfills, but earns $26 a ton for recyclables.

They should do the same for the customer. They should be charged so much for garbage and then given a credit for their recycling. THey would probably get 99% of the people recycling. Instead they want to fine you even more money for not doing it. Sounds like the city is getting all the credit.


26 posted on 08/20/2010 8:42:05 AM PDT by happilymarriedmom
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To: sam_paine
and penalizing you if you don’t have say 10lbs of recycled material for every 100lbs of trash-trash in the other bin.

THAT is possible. ....yep, makes the most sense, it's the way that I'd do it.

But also stupid. ....yep, totally foolish.

You don't actually think that everything you put in the recycling bin actually gets recycled, do you? Metal does, probably. Paper might, in good times when people don't mind paying extra for "recycled content".

However, unless they've come up with a super sorting technique for plastics, I'd be astonished if more than a fraction actually gets recycled.

27 posted on 08/20/2010 8:42:16 AM PDT by wbill
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To: sam_paine

This article, for some reason, didn’t explain how it works.

The chip will track whether you bring the can to the curb. If you do not bring your recycling can to the curb for a certain period of weeks, this triggers a manual inspection of your garbage. Those people found to have more than 10% recycleables in their garbage will be fined.


28 posted on 08/20/2010 8:42:31 AM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: goldendays
We have the homeless and underprivileged people getting all my cans and bottles before the truck gets there...
29 posted on 08/20/2010 8:43:01 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: goldendays

I cant wait for big brother to try this out here.. lol

I can assure you that overnight, the desert would be filled with trash.

Its time to start resisting this kind of garbage. I am all for recycling if its voluntary, but once they FORCE me to do it.. game on. I am not going to have my garbage monitored, enough is enough.


30 posted on 08/20/2010 8:44:48 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: goldendays

That’s awesome, you can load your neighbor’s trashcan with beer cans and newspapers and get them fined.


31 posted on 08/20/2010 8:46:08 AM PDT by discostu (Keyser Soze lives)
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To: FrankR

Updated: 3:42 pm EDT August 4, 2010 DAYTON, Ohio — Two Senate Republicans are calling out a Dayton recycling program for what they say was wasteful spending of federal Stimulus government Stimulus dollars. Sen. John McCain and Sen. Tom Coburn identified 100 questionable Stimulus projects across the country and put Dayton on the list. The city received $500,000 to track large recycling bins with Microchips. The senators called it a waste of money. City officials told News Center 7 that Daytons..


32 posted on 08/20/2010 8:46:13 AM PDT by goldendays (that)
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Ohio Ping


33 posted on 08/20/2010 8:46:42 AM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: eXe

what state are you in?


34 posted on 08/20/2010 8:46:58 AM PDT by goldendays (that)
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To: BWDog

If done by weight, how does the recycling bin know that you haven’t put a non-recyclable object into it? Wetting down the newspapers (previously mentioned) seems like the easiest solution, though. Maybe a piece of steel plate bolted to the bottom of the recycle bin, painted to match the color? “Steel is recyclable, I’m just conflicted over whether to recycle it today or next time, so I bolted it to the bottom of the bin.”


35 posted on 08/20/2010 8:48:12 AM PDT by Pecos (Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Whenifhow

The Microchips, which use radio frequency identification technology, are installed in the bin handles. Four city waste collection trucks will be equipped to read the Microchips that will be associated with specific street addresses. All the city’s 60,000 households will be added to the program “over several years at a total cost of $1.6 million” — all of it born by the U.S. Taxpayer. The Federal Government awarded Dayton a $1.6 million Energy Efficiency and...


36 posted on 08/20/2010 8:49:41 AM PDT by goldendays (that)
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To: eXe
I am not going to have my garbage monitored, enough is enough.

The City I lived in previously had specific instructions on how things could be recycled.

Newspaper needed to be separated and put in paper bags/boxes. Fair enough, besides having a "paper bin" that got tossed every other week made things a little easier for us.

What set me off was when they said "Glass containers / cans / plastics need to be thoroughly rinsed out before placement in the recycling bin."

I draw the line at needing to wash my garbage before I throw it away.

37 posted on 08/20/2010 8:51:25 AM PDT by wbill
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To: goldendays

Nevada, a tiny town about 60 miles outside of Vegas.


38 posted on 08/20/2010 8:51:25 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Pecos

Stimulus bill that no one read


39 posted on 08/20/2010 8:52:16 AM PDT by goldendays (that)
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To: goldendays
it comeing to very state That's a really interesting typo. Do you ever wonder how that happens?
40 posted on 08/20/2010 8:52:37 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Kozak

Using a hammer is too obvious.

Mr. Chip, meet Mr. EMP blast!

EMP...the blast that lasts.


41 posted on 08/20/2010 8:53:20 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: wbill

United Nation’s Agenda 21 Program for Sustainable Development
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml?utm_source=OldRedirect&utm_medium=redirect&utm_content=dsd&utm_campaign=OldRedirect


42 posted on 08/20/2010 8:54:57 AM PDT by goldendays (that)
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To: goldendays
We're trying to make sure Cleveland stays clean

You failed.

43 posted on 08/20/2010 8:56:04 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: goldendays

My trash collector will accept paper, cardboard, cans, and recyclable plastic types 1 and type 2. Anything above 2 is not supposed to be recycled. Go figure.


44 posted on 08/20/2010 8:56:15 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Is anyone getting a tad upset about these endless government programs aimed at creating “proper behavior”? Frankly, we already recycle, voluntarily although since we cart our stuff off to the recycle center I wonder how much we are polluting vis a vis how much help our recycling is doing. Still, we recently were polled regarding our desire to have a recycle pickup that would just cost us about $12 a month for a bin the size of a shoe box. I said not just no, but hell no. Seat belts, fixed days for ornamental irrigation, EPA directed MPGs, mandatory Ethonol usage, on and on. This is becoming a gulog and I am tired of it.


45 posted on 08/20/2010 8:57:37 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: goldendays

Glad I live in the middle of no where.


46 posted on 08/20/2010 9:01:22 AM PDT by Colvin (Proud Owner '66 Binder PU, '66 Binder Travelall,)
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To: goldendays

This crap will only inspire people to find alternative ways to get rid of trash.


47 posted on 08/20/2010 9:04:11 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (For the first time in half a century, there is no former KKK member in the US Senate.)
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To: goldendays

and down the drain we continue to go....


48 posted on 08/20/2010 9:17:29 AM PDT by gibsosa
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To: Fresh Wind
Exactly. Business owners will have to lock their dumpsters. It will get dumped on empty lots or simply spread around to other neighbors like the elderly who put little waste to the curb.

Every trash night, trucks drive around and pick up the metal. There's a guy in our neighborhood who goes through trash bins and pulls aluminum cans. Anything that is worth recycling is usually gone by the time the trash collectors show up.

49 posted on 08/20/2010 9:17:39 AM PDT by neefer (Because you can't starve us out and you can't make us run.)
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To: sam_paine

Where I live, they try to force recycling to cut down on waste going to the new incinerator. Then they realized that the money they hoped to make to pay for the incinerator was based on how much garbage came in.

What a dilemma. When people started recycling more, less went to burn, so revenue went down.

Such dolts. I believe this is a fine example of unintended consequences.

Sort of like raising taxes on tobacco, impugning smokers, then whining when it works and the revenue from tobacco sales fall.


50 posted on 08/20/2010 9:19:56 AM PDT by kevslisababy (It's very hard to earn my trust again)
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