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Symposium: The Fear that Wilders is Right
Frontpagemag.com ^ | July 9, 2010 | Jamie Glazov

Posted on 07/10/2010 4:03:43 PM PDT by rmlew

In this special edition of Frontpage Symposium, we have assembled a distinguished panel to discuss the question: What psychological impulses and neuroses prevent people from objectively considering whether or not Islam is a religion of peace? In other words: Why the rigid disinclination to even consider the evidence that suggests that someone like Geert Wilders might be right?

Our guests today are:

Roger L. Simon, the author of ten novels, including the eight prize-winning Moses Wine detective novels, which have been published in many editions and translated in over a dozen languages. He is also a screenwriter and has written for all the major Hollywood studios, including Bustin’ Loose with Richard Pryor, Scenes from a Mall with Woody Allen and the adaptation of his own The Big Fix with Richard Dreyfuss. Simon received an Academy Award nomination for his adaptation of Isaac Singer’s Enemies, A Love Story in 1989. The author of Blacklisting Myself: A Hollywood Apostate in an Age of Terror, he is the co-founder and CEO of Pajamas Media.

Dr. Kenneth Levin, a clinical instructor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, a Princeton-trained historian, and a commentator on Israeli politics. He is the author of The Oslo Syndrome: Delusions of a People Under Siege.

and

Robert Spencer, a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch. He is the author of ten books, eleven monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism, including the New York Times Bestsellers The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades) and The Truth About Muhammad. His latest book, The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran, is available now from Regnery Publishing, and he is coauthor (with Pamela Geller) of the forthcoming book The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America (Simon and Schuster).

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: dhimmitude; geertwilders; glennbeck; islam; kennethlevin; pc; robertspencer; rogerlsimon; wilders
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The left hate Wilders because they assume he is wrong. Right-liberals hate him because they fear he is correct.
1 posted on 07/10/2010 4:03:49 PM PDT by rmlew
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To: rmlew

Wilders is right, as is Spencer.


2 posted on 07/10/2010 4:12:43 PM PDT by sayuncledave
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To: sayuncledave

Europe is trying to go quietly into the night, but Wilders is trying pour spine into jello. I don’t know if it will work, but it is worth a try.


3 posted on 07/10/2010 4:15:59 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: rmlew

The biggest problem with people in Europe and America is they are totally ignorant of Islam, period. If they spent the least amount of time reading up on its tenets, it’s history, it’s interaction with all other faiths/cultures, they’d figure out in an hour it is a poison, cancer, anathema to all matters related to Judeo-Christian culture and society. I attended a college graduation party and was speaking with several adults in attendance, all college educated, including advanced degrees, in law, business, etc. And almost none of them understood anything about islam, it’s history, etc. I was shocked at first, but they were more shocked (and possibly disbelieving) after an hour conversation on the subject. I said you don’t have to believe me, just go to any library or online and look it up. It’s all there. Open your eyes and see, before you lose your head.


4 posted on 07/10/2010 4:16:25 PM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: rmlew

I posted this snippet of an interview with Niall Ferguson earlier on a dead thread; it’s from 2006:

“IDEAS: How do you understand radical Islamism? Is it, as some say, the successor to Marxism?

FERGUSON: It is. The great category error of our time is to equate radical Islamism with fascism. If you actually read what Osama bin Laden says, it’s clearly Lenin plus the Koran. It’s internationalist, revolutionary, and anticapitalist-rhetoric far more of the left than of the right. And radical Islamism is good at recruiting within our society, within western society generally. In western Europe, to an extent people underestimate here, the appeal of radical Islamism extends beyond Muslim communities.

IDEAS: To people who might once have been drawn to Marxism?

FERGUSON: And for much the same reason. Here is a way to reject the impure, corrupt qualities of western life and embrace a monotheistic zealotry. That’s very satisfying.

IDEAS: Why is Europe more vulnerable than the United States?

FERGUSON: The United States has at least two religions, one being religion per se, the other being the civic religion of the Constitution. These are powerful integrative forces. To become an American is a transformative experience, and I’m impressed by it. It doesn’t happen in Europe. Immigrants remain deeply alienated, plus they’re not integrated well into the economy. And that’s a dangerous situation”

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2006/09/24/qa_with_niall_ferguson/


5 posted on 07/10/2010 4:30:00 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: rmlew

I’ll make the point again. When Muslims assert that Islam is a “religion of peace” they are not engaging in al taqqiya, they are making an assertion in good faith.

The problem lies in the fact that Islam has a defective concept of peace. In semitic languages like Arabic, the consonants are the “root” of the word: islam = submission, and salam = peace have the same root, slm.

The only concept of peace in Islamic jurisprudence is the peace between the conqueror and the conquered, between master and slave. There is no concept of a negotiated peace between nations in Islamic law (and note that law is the defining property of Islam—their clerics are jurists, schools of Qu’ranic interpretation are called fiqh, a legalistic term)—Muslims may negotiate a “hudna” or armistice of limited duration with non-Muslim, but not a definitive enduring peace.


6 posted on 07/10/2010 4:34:52 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: john drake
You are correct - most people are completely ignorant of the true history of Islam: it's pagan origins, its history of conquest, atrocity, mass murder, and enslavement. Here are some excellent references concerning Islams history:

The Legacy of Jihad: Islamic Holy War and the Fate of Non-Muslims (Andrew Bostom)

and

The Suicide of Reason: Radical Islam's Threat to the West (Lee Harris)

and

The Flight of the Intellectuals (Paul Berman)

The bottom line is that Islam is a serial murderer of entire cultures and peoples. Its death-cult mentality also happens to resonate with modern Leftists everywhere.

The corollary of the will to power, for which some of the Left is more powerful than any drug, is the desire to submit.

"He [Albert Camus] had noticed a modern impulse to rebel, which had come out of the French Revolution and the nineteenth century and had very quickly, in the name of an ideal, mutated into a cult of death. And the ideal was always the same, though each movement gave it a different name. It was not skepticism and doubt. It was the ideal of submission."
Paul Berman - Terror and Liberalism p46

Breathtaking, isn't it?

7 posted on 07/10/2010 4:42:45 PM PDT by Noumenon ("Upon what meat doth this our Caesar feed, that he has grown so great?" - Julius Caesar)
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To: john drake
No, this is not ignorance. This is denial, a psychiatric syndrome. Cowards deny the reality of a serious threat, in hopes they can ignore it, or placate it, and it will go away. Moslem savages, however, will not go away.
8 posted on 07/10/2010 4:49:06 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: john drake
No, this is not ignorance. This is denial, a psychiatric syndrome. Cowards deny the reality of a serious threat, in hopes they can ignore it, or placate it, and it will go away. Moslem savages, however, will not go away.
9 posted on 07/10/2010 4:49:06 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: rmlew

It’s sad that there has to be a symposium to consider whether Geert Wilders may be right. Clearly he is right. And clearly, George Bush and others to the contrary nonwithstanding, Islam is no religion of peace. It is a religion of terror and death.

Ignorance is not bliss in regard to the threat we face from Islam. And having “leaders” who ignore the threat, or even deny it, is outrageous.


10 posted on 07/10/2010 5:08:28 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: rmlew

The left hate Wilders because they assume he is wrong.


The Left can’t wait for Europe to be populated by Muslims who (they assume) will follow their lead. They are so obsessed with absolute power, they are totally delusional.


11 posted on 07/10/2010 5:11:39 PM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: rmlew

The political left *know* that Islam and Muslims are inferior. They *know* this with the same arrogance that they *know* American blacks and Jews are inferior as well. Democrats have always been racists, and they have mastered the ability to both retain that racism, and pretend to be the opposite, at the same time.

The elitist idea allows them to group people together, and equate the different groups. But at all times, the elites remember that they are better than anyone.

So they have no internal conflict in supporting the US military at the same time they support the terrorists. They are equal, and equally inferior. If they kill each other, small loss, in the eyes of the Democrats.


12 posted on 07/10/2010 5:25:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: rmlew

“might be right”? Open your eyes people don’t be afraid to look at the truth.


13 posted on 07/10/2010 5:38:53 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: rbg81

The left is dislusional if they think they will lead after Islam takes over. More than likely they will all be beheded as a warning to all others about what happens when you violate Sharia law.


14 posted on 07/10/2010 5:43:30 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

beheded=beheaded I relly tan speel!


15 posted on 07/10/2010 5:44:34 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: The_Reader_David
The problem lies in the fact that Islam has a defective concept of peace. In semitic languages like Arabic, the consonants are the “root” of the word: islam = submission, and salam = peace have the same root, slm.

Much like Marx defined peace as "absence of opposition to socialism", Islam defines peace as that state where all submit to the will of Allah.

16 posted on 07/10/2010 5:45:33 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: chris_bdba
The left is dislusional if they think they will lead after Islam takes over. More than likely they will all be beheded as a warning to all others about what happens when you violate Sharia law.

The "intellectual" Left was delusional when they promoted socialism/communism. At the end, power in a socialist state is seized by the most ruthless thug (Stalin). It is the same under Islam.

17 posted on 07/10/2010 5:49:40 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: rbg81

The Muslims will surely adopt feminism, libertinism, homosexuality, and atheism — won’t they?


18 posted on 07/10/2010 6:22:37 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: PapaBear3625

Yes, and Mao sent all the intellectuals to back-breaking work in the fields during Cultural Revolution.


19 posted on 07/10/2010 6:24:54 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: Goreknowshowtocheat

“Europe is trying to go quietly into the night...”

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Only Europe you think? Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjS0Novt3X4&feature=related


20 posted on 07/10/2010 6:44:29 PM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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