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Inside A Psychopath's Brain: The Sentencing Debate
NPR ^ | 06/30/10 | Barbara Bradley Hagerty

Posted on 06/30/2010 12:57:18 PM PDT by Borges

Kent Kiehl has studied hundreds of psychopaths. Kiehl is one of the world's leading investigators of psychopathy and a professor at the University of New Mexico. He says he can often see it in their eyes: There's an intensity in their stare, as if they're trying to pick up signals on how to respond. But the eyes are not an element of psychopathy, just a clue. Officially, Kiehl scores their pathology on the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, which measures traits such as the inability to feel empathy or remorse, pathological lying, or impulsivity. "The scores range from zero to 40," Kiehl explains in his sunny office overlooking a golf course. "The average person in the community, a male, will score about 4 or 5. Your average inmate will score about 22. An individual with psychopathy is typically described as 30 or above. Brian scored 38.5 basically. He was in the 99th percentile." "Brian" is Brian Dugan, a man who is serving two life sentences for rape and murder in Chicago. Last July, Dugan pleaded guilty to raping and murdering 10-year-old Jeanine Nicarico in 1983, and he was put on trial to determine whether he should be executed. Kiehl was hired by the defense to do a psychiatric evaluation.

In a videotaped interview with Kiehl, Dugan describes how he only meant to rob the Nicaricos' home. But then he saw the little girl inside. "She came to the door and ... I clicked," Dugan says in a flat, emotionless voice. "I turned into Mr. Hyde from Dr. Jekyll." On screen, Dugan is dressed in an orange jumpsuit. He seems calm, even normal — until he lifts his hands to take a sip of water and you see the handcuffs. Dugan is smart — his IQ is over 140 — but he admits he has always had shallow emotions. He tells Kiehl that in his quarter century in prison, he believes he's developed a sense of remorse. "And I have empathy, too — but it's like it just stops," he says. "I mean, I start to feel, but something just blocks it. I don't know what it is." Kiehl says he's heard all this before: All psychopaths claim they feel terrible about their crimes for the benefit of the parole board. "But then you ask them, 'What do you mean, you feel really bad?' And Brian will look at you and go, 'What do you mean, what does it mean?' They look at you like, 'Can you give me some help? A hint? Can I call a friend?' They have no way of really getting at that at all," Kiehl says. Kiehl says the reason people like Dugan cannot access their emotions is that their physical brains are different. And he believes he has the brain scans to prove it.

On a crystal clear June morning at Albuquerque's Youth Diagnostic and Development Center, juveniles who have been convicted of violent offenses march by, craning their necks as a huge trailer drives through the gates. This is Kiehl's prize — a $2 million mobile MRI provided by the Mind Research Network at the University of New Mexico. Kiehl transports the mobile MRI to maximum-security prisons around the state, and over the past few years, he has scanned the brains of more than 1,100 inmates, about 20 percent of whom are psychopaths. For ethical reasons, Kiehl could not allow me to watch an inmate's brain being scanned, so he asked his researchers to demonstrate.

After a few minutes of preparation, researcher Kevin Bache settles into the brain scanner, where he can look up and see a screen. On the screen flashes three types of pictures. One kind depicts a moral violation: He sees several hooded Klansmen setting a cross on fire. Another type is emotional but morally ambiguous: a car that is on fire but you don't know why. Another type of photo is neutral: for example, students standing around a Bunsen burner. The subjects rate whether the picture is a moral violation on a scale of 1 to 5. Kiehl says most psychopaths do not differ from normal subjects in the way they rate the photos: Both psychopaths and the average person rank the KKK with a burning cross as a moral violation. But there's a key difference: Psychopaths' brains behave differently from that of a nonpsychopathic person. When a normal person sees a morally objectionable photo, his limbic system lights up. This is what Kiehl calls the "emotional circuit," involving the orbital cortex above the eyes and the amygdala deep in the brain. But Kiehl says when psychopaths like Dugan see the KKK picture, their emotional circuit does not engage in the same way. "We have a lot of data that shows psychopaths do tend to process this information differently," Kiehl says. "And Brian looked like he was processing it like the other individuals we've studied with psychopathy." Kiehl says the emotional circuit may be what stops a person from breaking into that house or killing that girl. But in psychopaths like Dugan, the brakes don't work. Kiehl says psychopaths are a little like people with very low IQs who are not fully responsible for their actions. The courts treat people with low IQs differently. For example, they can't get the death penalty. "What if I told you that a psychopath has an emotional IQ that's like a 5-year-old?" Kiehl asks. "Well, if that was the case, we'd make the same argument for individuals with low emotional IQ — that maybe they're not as deserving of punishment, not as deserving of culpability, etc."

And that's exactly what Dugan's lawyers argued at trial last November. Attorney Steven Greenberg said that Dugan was not criminally insane. He knew right from wrong. But he was incapable of making the right choices. "Someone shouldn't be executed for a condition that they were born with, because it's not their fault," Greenberg says. "The crime is their fault, and he wasn't saying it wasn't his fault, and he wasn't saying, give [me] a free pass. But he was saying, don't kill me because it's not my fault that I was born this way." This argument troubles Steven Erickson, a forensic psychologist and legal scholar at Widener University School of Law. He notes that alcoholics have brain abnormalities. Do we give them a pass if they kill someone while driving drunk? "What about folks who suffer from depression? They have brain abnormalities, too. Should they be entitled to [an] excuse under the law?" he asks. "I think the key idea here is the law is not interested in brain abnormalities. The law is interested in whether or not someone at the time that the criminal act occurred understood the difference between right and wrong." At trial, Jonathan Brodie, a psychiatrist at NYU Medical School who was the prosecution's expert witness, went further. Even if Dugan's brain is abnormal, he testified, the brain does not dictate behavior. "There may be many, many people who also have psychopathic tendencies and have similar scans, who don't do antisocial behavior, who don't rape and kill," Brodie says.

Moreover, Brodie told the jury, Dugan's brain scan in 2009 says nothing about what his brain was like when he killed Jeanine Nicarico. "I don't know with Brian Dugan what was going on in his brain" when he committed his crime, Brodie says. "And I certainly don't know what was going on from a brain scan that was taken 24 years later." The jury seemed to zero in on the science, asking to reread all the testimony about the neuroscience during 10 hours of deliberation. But in the end, they sentenced Dugan to death. Dugan is appealing the sentence. In the meantime, this case signals the beginning of a revolution in the courtroom, Kiehl says. "Neuroscience and neuroimaging is going to change the whole philosophy about how we punish and how we decide who to incapacitate and how we decide how to deal with people," he says, echoing comments of a growing number of leading scholars across the country, including Princeton and Harvard. Just like DNA, he believes brain scans will eventually be standard fare. And that, he and others say, could upend our notions of culpability, crime and punishment.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: crime; criminaljustice; moralabsolutes; psychopaths
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1 posted on 06/30/2010 12:57:21 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
traits such as the inability to feel empathy or remorse, pathological lying, or impulsivity

Sounds like Obama.

2 posted on 06/30/2010 1:01:18 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: capt. norm

sounds like most politicians, actually. I think they are all sociopaths to one degree or another.


3 posted on 06/30/2010 1:03:22 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Borges
I would argue that such testing, if it proves accurate, would be a strong signal to apply the death penalty to these people.

Call it the "Mad Dog" principle. We may now have a tool which proves that certain humans are as dangerous to society as rabid animals. That more than justifies putting them down permanently in my view.

4 posted on 06/30/2010 1:04:29 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Borges

I find it interesting that a professor doing research can have a portable MRI available on call for data collection but Canadians wait on average 6 months to get an MRI. I wonder why?


5 posted on 06/30/2010 1:06:22 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Pow, Zing, Blam!!!


6 posted on 06/30/2010 1:08:22 PM PDT by VaRepublican (I would propagate taglines but I don't know how. But bloggers do.)
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To: Borges
Shades of Fritz Lang's M.

The argument is ridiculous. Dr. Kiehl's tests demonstrate that psychopaths know that what they are doing is a moral violation. They routinely choose not to commit such violations in circumstances where they fear detection and punishment.

They do commit them when they believe they have a good chance of getting away with it.

Their actions are completely voluntary and are informed by the same moral and legal data that inform non-psychopath's decisions.

I am reminded of Thomas Aquinas' distinction between the two teachers of virtue.

7 posted on 06/30/2010 1:10:49 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: Lurker
"What if I told you that a psychopath has an emotional IQ that's like a 5-year-old?" Kiehl asks. "Well, if that was the case, we'd make the same argument for individuals with low emotional IQ — that maybe they're not as deserving of punishment, not as deserving of culpability, etc."

Nope, the best thing for society is to get them out of the gene pool.

8 posted on 06/30/2010 1:11:28 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: Borges
But he was saying, don't kill me because it's not my fault that I was born this way."

Every bit as reasonable as a dog saying don't kill me because it's not my fault that I have rabies.

9 posted on 06/30/2010 1:13:08 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 523 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: wideawake

The ‘person’ being studied here also raped and killed another little girl later on before he was caught.


10 posted on 06/30/2010 1:13:08 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Lurker
Right!!! Society does not kill rabid animals because they're rabid. It kills them to prevent the damage they do. Same with psychopaths and narcissistic sociopaths. May not be their fault (though I don't agree with that premise) but to save society, they have to be eliminated. Not as punishment; as prevention.

If bleeding hearts don't want society to kill them, then they should be OK with welding them in a steel cage and keeping them until they reach their natural end. No medical, no magazines, no TV, minimum calories to sustain life. Nothing else.

11 posted on 06/30/2010 1:17:14 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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To: Borges

Great - so we can tell through brain scans who is a psychopath and who is just a regular murderer. Then we can dispense with appeals for psychopaths and just take them out of the courtroom directly to the execution chamber.


12 posted on 06/30/2010 1:17:51 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Borges
Well, clearly he should be executed.

Not just for society's benefit, but for his own as well. The loss of the only thing he cares about - his own life - would be the only possible stimulus for him to see himself for what he is.

13 posted on 06/30/2010 1:18:39 PM PDT by wideawake (Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: glorgau
...we'd make the same argument for individuals with low emotional IQ — that maybe they're not as deserving of punishment, not as deserving of culpability, etc.

Beware the camel's nose in the tent. Once we conflate an Axis II personality disorder with "Low Emotional IQ" or some other made-up concept without empirical support, we will open the floodgates. No one will be guilty of anything.

14 posted on 06/30/2010 1:19:10 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: equalitybeforethelaw

Excellent Question, My guess is that there are funds in America for such research and in Canada there aren’t funds available for Medical testing requiring an MRI.


15 posted on 06/30/2010 1:20:46 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: Borges

Interesting. The mind body problem made more sophisticated.


16 posted on 06/30/2010 1:22:16 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Lurker
I would argue that such testing, if it proves accurate, would be a strong signal to apply the death penalty to these people.

At present, agreed. But, suppose there were a surgical or pharmaceutical treatment that would return such folks to normal brain function (purely hypothetical at the moment), would a requirement to submit (for life if it involves a drug taken regularly) to such treatment and a short to moderate length prison term (after the surgery, if that's what is it, or, once under treatment is begun if it involves a drug, so it would engage their medically-induced sense of remorse) be an appropriate sentence?

17 posted on 06/30/2010 1:22:16 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Borges

Leave it to NPR to absolve sociopaths of their heinous slaughters.

Defense Attorney: Your honor, the defendant’s DNA test results and MRI scans prove conclusively that he had no more empathy for his twelve victims than a Cheetah does when it chases down and devours a Wildebeest. We’ve proved beyond a doubt that the defendant is an animal and it’s not his fault, and therefore we request that you sentence the defendant to no more than two years at a minimum security facility.


18 posted on 06/30/2010 1:30:50 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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To: Borges

I’ve always been a bit troubled by the concept of mens rea — criminal intent. It’s one of the criteria for establishing liability (the other being actus reus — criminal act). I’m not convinced that the DAMAGE caused by a criminal act is in any way mitigated by the presence or absence of a particular intent on the part of the offender. A man murdered by a careless or stupid (or mentally incompetent) murderer is just as dead as one murdered “with malice aforethought.” And while intent may mitigate the PUNISHMENT, it does not lessen the GUILT. Surely the judicial system owes society protection from those people who offend, even if they don’t intend to.


19 posted on 06/30/2010 1:33:32 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Borges

I think when you find these genetic traits attached to a horrendous crime, the death penalty should be mandatory.

We don’t want this DNA to persist in the wild. We need to make sure there isn’t any chance that they can reproduce or clone themselves.

Eventually, society should breed this out of the population through these efforts and controlling immigration.


20 posted on 06/30/2010 1:38:13 PM PDT by dila813
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