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Court: Christian group can't bar gays, get funding (Christian Legal Society v. Martinez)
AP ^ | 06/28/2010 | Staff

Posted on 06/28/2010 8:21:47 AM PDT by OldDeckHand

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court says a law school can legally deny recognition to a Christian student group that won't let gays join.

The court on Monday turned away an appeal from the Christian Legal Society, which sued to get funding and recognition from the University of California's Hastings College of the Law.

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KEYWORDS: 1stamendment; 501c3; academicbias; celebratesin; christians; christianstudents; culturewar; downisup; firstamendment; gays; hastings; homosexualagenda; jesus; judicialactivism; liberalfascism; liberalkoolaid; moralabsolutes; sexpositiveagenda
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1 posted on 06/28/2010 8:21:55 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Bad sign for 501 3C groups.


2 posted on 06/28/2010 8:23:10 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: OldDeckHand
Here is the opinion, in the 5-4 decision with the four conservative justices dissenting...

Christian Legal Society v. Martinez

3 posted on 06/28/2010 8:23:25 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

This is insane.

Folks, here’s how it is... we need to start flooding these opposing groups with Christians.


4 posted on 06/28/2010 8:24:23 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Blogger

So this means a Christian can join a gay rights group and speak against the gay lifestyle as a sin or the gay rights group will lose its funding. </s>


5 posted on 06/28/2010 8:27:31 AM PDT by MacombBob
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To: OldDeckHand

Two edged sword.
This ruling can be used to defund the radical Muslim Student Associations across the United States.


6 posted on 06/28/2010 8:27:53 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: PetroniusMaximus
"Folks, here’s how it is... we need to start flooding these opposing groups with Christians."

I was thinking the exact same thing. In this particular instance, I don't know if there are enough Christian/Catholics at Hastings, but at another university, I'd like to see the Christians and Catholics get together and join the gay groups en masse. They could then vote to install people of faith into the leadership positions of these homosexual or atheist groups. Then, we'll see who's discriminated against.

7 posted on 06/28/2010 8:27:53 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

We are one for two today.


8 posted on 06/28/2010 8:28:25 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (RIP Bahbah. Did you plug the damn hole yet daddy? Palin/Cheney 2012)
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To: OldDeckHand

Sooooooo...Does this mean that Islamic campus groups cannot deny admission to Christians....or Jews? ;-o


9 posted on 06/28/2010 8:28:44 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Blogger

“sign for 501 3C groups”

How so? This can only affect groups part of publically funded institutions.


10 posted on 06/28/2010 8:30:10 AM PDT by Raymann
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I agree with that. Unfortunately a great number of Christians are wimpy when it comes to this sort of fight.
11 posted on 06/28/2010 8:30:21 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: MacombBob

As I interpret it ... yes it does.


12 posted on 06/28/2010 8:30:28 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: OldDeckHand

What about black groups that keep out whites?
Liberal groups that keep out conservatives?


13 posted on 06/28/2010 8:30:36 AM PDT by GeronL (Just say NO to conservativecave.com, it rots your teeth!)
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To: OldDeckHand

maybe Christians need to join gay groups en masse, get elected to leadership roles in the clubs, and have some input into the agenda


14 posted on 06/28/2010 8:30:41 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Two edged sword.

Correct, this ruling will bite these wack groups in their collective rears...

15 posted on 06/28/2010 8:31:08 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Should Christians take over the Islamic supremacist groups on college campuses then?


16 posted on 06/28/2010 8:31:18 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: OldDeckHand

So if public monies are used your right to free association ends. Ever wonder why libtards like big government? So they can engineer you into a image of themselves. They are God like.


17 posted on 06/28/2010 8:31:18 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: PetroniusMaximus

great minds

I’ve had the same thoughts about ACORN- join em and take over running them


18 posted on 06/28/2010 8:31:48 AM PDT by silverleaf (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
That's exactly what you need to do. On the other hand you'll find many quasi-religious groups found on campus are very careful to avoid tapping the student activities fund.

That keeps them under the radar, at the same time that pretty well preserves their privilege of using meeting rooms in university owned buildings without trouble.

So, the game plan ~ first, quit going after the student activities fund for subsidy. That takes you out of the line of investigation ~ students are generally too young and naive to realize there's more to "funding" than mere money. Same with the faculty.

Second, infiltrate OTHER GROUPS. That way when you have an intergroup meeting over passing around the funding, or other privileges, you have some friends on the scene. Third, avoid using large rooms for your meetings ~ just enough for your own core groups.

19 posted on 06/28/2010 8:31:48 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: OldDeckHand

I skimmed thru the ruling. The court mentions that under university rules, republicans could join and take over the democrat club, and the university would have to support that as OK.

So I think that is what conservative students at select Universities should do - join in mass and vote themselves in as the head of gay groups, environmental groups, etc - force the democrat club to endorse Palin for President.


20 posted on 06/28/2010 8:32:25 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: JerseyHighlander
Not to mention all the Aryan Brotherhood types joining the black student union....

On balance, I think this ruling is absurd, but useful.

21 posted on 06/28/2010 8:33:49 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Persae Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: OldDeckHand

He who pays the piper, calls the tune.


22 posted on 06/28/2010 8:34:10 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: GeronL
Liberal groups that keep out conservatives?

There is no protection against discrimination on the basis of political belief in our refit Constitution.

The only protected belief systems are sexual and religious. And by protected sexual beliefs systems, I mean pro-homosexuality. If your sexual and religious belief systems sees homosexuality as a mental disorder and a sin morally, your view is not protected.

23 posted on 06/28/2010 8:35:08 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: OldDeckHand
Court: Christian group can't bar gays, get funding (Christian Legal Society v. Martinez)

Strange ruling, so essentially they are saying that all groups have to be open to anybody to receive funding. So the Black Student Union couldn't turn away members of Klan. The College Republicans couldn't turn away Communists and vice versa. It seems to open the door to a lot of shenanigans, if a group opposed to a groups ideology decides to "take over" that group. Of course an easy way around it is to simply not apply for Government funding.

24 posted on 06/28/2010 8:35:38 AM PDT by apillar
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To: SumProVita
The Islamic groups that accept university funding cannot keep out Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus...... etc.

Technical speaking use of a meeting room is "funding" so you could do a lot of mischief.

Problem for the Moslem groups is that if any of them admit a homosexual to membership they will all have to kill each other for being hypocrites.

The Jewish groups could demand circumcision anyway ~ but they've probably got their own homosexual crowd.

25 posted on 06/28/2010 8:35:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Raymann

Same way they go after that status when certain speech takes place. In Kaganroo court, it will be all the worse.


26 posted on 06/28/2010 8:36:02 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: OldDeckHand; wagglebee

Next I expect them to be told that they cannot mention “Jesus Christ” at their meetings.


27 posted on 06/28/2010 8:36:17 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Well... If you want funds from Caesar, then Caesar’s rules apply. This isn’t a violation of any Christian’s rights.


28 posted on 06/28/2010 8:36:40 AM PDT by Redcloak (What's your zombie plan?)
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To: apillar
Of course an easy way around it is to simply not apply for Government funding.

Bingo.

29 posted on 06/28/2010 8:37:07 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

“This ruling can be used to defund the radical Muslim Student Associations across the United States.”

Whick you know will NEVER happen. . . .


30 posted on 06/28/2010 8:38:28 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: muawiyah

The Saudis could be expected to make up any contributions that the universities might drop when it comes to funding the muslim brotherhood groups on campuses.


31 posted on 06/28/2010 8:38:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: apillar
"Of course an easy way around it is to simply not apply for Government funding. "

First, the answer to all your hypotheticals is "yes". Second, and this is what is a little misleading about this particular case, the Christian group didn't really receive public "funding". They were, like any recognized group on campus, assigned a building and room in which to meet. That, say the justices, constitutes "public funding"; access to public property.

I haven't read the decision in it's entirety yet (I'm barely a 1/4 of the way through MacDonald), but I'm interested especially in Alito's lengthy dissent. I'm worried what this might do to the Boy Scouts of America, who receive no public funding but are allowed to use public property.

32 posted on 06/28/2010 8:41:23 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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I think this was a bad decision. I think Christians should do two things.

1. Join the gay group, the womyns terrorism group, etc., and participate. Join in large enough numbers to sway elections. Get to be president, co-chair, etc. Then change their platforms. Or vote to dissolve. Or something. Two can play at this game.

2. Continue to keep the Christian Legal Society as a private organization. Pin flyers about meetings to your shirts if you can’t use the bulletin board. Continue to operate at the school without the school’s support or approval.


33 posted on 06/28/2010 8:42:53 AM PDT by Persevero (The Second American Revolution, “THE GREAT FLUSH”, starts Nov. 2, 2010)
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"Bingo."

Be careful. See my post just above. The "public funding" in this particular case was the use of a school classroom. The group received ZERO public funds; Not a dime.

34 posted on 06/28/2010 8:43:31 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: a fool in paradise

Still, use of rooms for meetings is necessarily part of the package ~ it’s just not always thought of by the whingdings out to hurt other groups.


35 posted on 06/28/2010 8:43:40 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JerseyHighlander

I really doubt it.
None of this PC stuff will EVER cut FOR Christians.


36 posted on 06/28/2010 8:45:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: OldDeckHand
The obvious riposte is for the Christians at the law school to en masse join the LGBT group and elect their own as officers. The reductio ad absurdum of SCOTUS's ruling would not be lost on the law school's board, and even if they may legally deny religious groups recognition. Either they would launch a wholesale persecution of Christian students making the matter a cause célèbre and causing the law school more grief than it's worth, or they would relent and not exercise their new-found legal right to deny Christian groups recognition.

Interestingly I've faced the same sort of issue with regard to membership in the Orthodox Christian Fellowship at the (state) university where I work. We've had to adopt a constitution for the group that allows all students, regardless of religion, to join, but which constitutes a governing board for the group consisting of those members who are Orthodox Christians in good standing with any canonical Orthodox jurisdiction, and requires that officers be among the members of the governing board.

37 posted on 06/28/2010 8:47:16 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: OldDeckHand

The simple answer is for Christian groups to simply not take funding from the school, then they can do whatever they want.


38 posted on 06/28/2010 8:48:51 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (When fascism came to America, it was wrapped in the Democrat platform and carrying a welfare check.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Then Gay groups can’t ban Christians from joining (in much larger numbers) and voting to disband them or use their funds to fight homosexuality. Right?


39 posted on 06/28/2010 8:51:54 AM PDT by SampleMan (No one should die on a gov. waiting list., or go broke because the gov. has dictated their salary.)
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To: svcw

bump that....

I wrote on my fb status the other day,

It’s always time to pray1 The time to act is now or we will lost the freedom to speak!


40 posted on 06/28/2010 8:52:09 AM PDT by tutstar (Baptist Ping List-freepmail me to be included or removed. <{{{><)
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To: OldDeckHand

Can a straight Christian join their gay group?


41 posted on 06/28/2010 8:54:10 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Pray, Pray, Pray. Stop Barrystroika.)
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To: tutstar

Yep. I heard a pastor say “the worst insult one can receive is ‘I didn’t know you were a Christian’.” I personally am sick to death of Christians who feel it is unBiblical to have righteous anger and do something. It is for the Kingdom we should move.


42 posted on 06/28/2010 8:57:14 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: OldDeckHand

Justice Kennedy the double-crosser, again! Oh, what a different nation we would have been if instead we had a Justice Bork.


43 posted on 06/28/2010 9:01:18 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

The issue is more complex than simply not taking funding. Students are assessed fees in addition to their tuition by student government which then distributes funding to campus organizations. So Christian students will be forced to pay for other organization’s budgets and facilities and will never have access to money and facilities of their own.


44 posted on 06/28/2010 9:02:35 AM PDT by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: OldDeckHand
He who pays the piper calls the tune. Don't expect to get funding and not have those providing the funds mess with your doctrine.

The Catholic Church should note this as they push for "vouchers" to keep their schools from closing. Either self-fund, or fold.

45 posted on 06/28/2010 9:06:14 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: AliVeritas
"Can a straight Christian join their gay group?"

Yes. And, a Republican could join the Democrat student group, and if he got enough of his Republican friends to join with him, he could conceivably lead the Democrat club.

46 posted on 06/28/2010 9:06:58 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand
GINSBURG, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which STEVENS, KENNEDY, BREYER, and SOTOMAYOR, JJ., joined.

ALITO, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which ROBERTS, C. J., and SCALIA and THOMAS, JJ., joined.

Kennedy: The supposed conservative who is why we still have legalized infanticide and now apparently sanctions against the first amendment free exercise of religion.

Opinion link: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1371.pdf

47 posted on 06/28/2010 9:07:10 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: PetroniusMaximus

How does that change the law?


48 posted on 06/28/2010 9:08:00 AM PDT by donna (Inflation is coming! You haven't really suffered until you've suffered inflation.)
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To: OldDeckHand

In Alito’s dissent: “The proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express ‘the thought that we hate.’” United States v. Schwimmer, 279 U. S. 644, 654–655 (1929)


49 posted on 06/28/2010 9:12:04 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: JerseyHighlander
This ruling can be used to defund the radical Muslim Student Associations across the United States.

Certainly at this university, if the Muslim association refuses to admit non-Muslims.

50 posted on 06/28/2010 9:13:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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