Skip to comments.Court: Christian group can't bar gays, get funding (Christian Legal Society v. Martinez)
Posted on 06/28/2010 8:21:47 AM PDT by OldDeckHand
WASHINGTON The Supreme Court says a law school can legally deny recognition to a Christian student group that won't let gays join.
The court on Monday turned away an appeal from the Christian Legal Society, which sued to get funding and recognition from the University of California's Hastings College of the Law.
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Bad sign for 501 3C groups.
This is insane.
Folks, here’s how it is... we need to start flooding these opposing groups with Christians.
So this means a Christian can join a gay rights group and speak against the gay lifestyle as a sin or the gay rights group will lose its funding. </s>
Two edged sword.
This ruling can be used to defund the radical Muslim Student Associations across the United States.
I was thinking the exact same thing. In this particular instance, I don't know if there are enough Christian/Catholics at Hastings, but at another university, I'd like to see the Christians and Catholics get together and join the gay groups en masse. They could then vote to install people of faith into the leadership positions of these homosexual or atheist groups. Then, we'll see who's discriminated against.
We are one for two today.
Sooooooo...Does this mean that Islamic campus groups cannot deny admission to Christians....or Jews? ;-o
“sign for 501 3C groups”
How so? This can only affect groups part of publically funded institutions.
As I interpret it ... yes it does.
What about black groups that keep out whites?
Liberal groups that keep out conservatives?
maybe Christians need to join gay groups en masse, get elected to leadership roles in the clubs, and have some input into the agenda
Correct, this ruling will bite these wack groups in their collective rears...
Should Christians take over the Islamic supremacist groups on college campuses then?
So if public monies are used your right to free association ends. Ever wonder why libtards like big government? So they can engineer you into a image of themselves. They are God like.
I’ve had the same thoughts about ACORN- join em and take over running them
That keeps them under the radar, at the same time that pretty well preserves their privilege of using meeting rooms in university owned buildings without trouble.
So, the game plan ~ first, quit going after the student activities fund for subsidy. That takes you out of the line of investigation ~ students are generally too young and naive to realize there's more to "funding" than mere money. Same with the faculty.
Second, infiltrate OTHER GROUPS. That way when you have an intergroup meeting over passing around the funding, or other privileges, you have some friends on the scene. Third, avoid using large rooms for your meetings ~ just enough for your own core groups.
I skimmed thru the ruling. The court mentions that under university rules, republicans could join and take over the democrat club, and the university would have to support that as OK.
So I think that is what conservative students at select Universities should do - join in mass and vote themselves in as the head of gay groups, environmental groups, etc - force the democrat club to endorse Palin for President.
On balance, I think this ruling is absurd, but useful.
He who pays the piper, calls the tune.
There is no protection against discrimination on the basis of political belief in our refit Constitution.
The only protected belief systems are sexual and religious. And by protected sexual beliefs systems, I mean pro-homosexuality. If your sexual and religious belief systems sees homosexuality as a mental disorder and a sin morally, your view is not protected.
Strange ruling, so essentially they are saying that all groups have to be open to anybody to receive funding. So the Black Student Union couldn't turn away members of Klan. The College Republicans couldn't turn away Communists and vice versa. It seems to open the door to a lot of shenanigans, if a group opposed to a groups ideology decides to "take over" that group. Of course an easy way around it is to simply not apply for Government funding.
Technical speaking use of a meeting room is "funding" so you could do a lot of mischief.
Problem for the Moslem groups is that if any of them admit a homosexual to membership they will all have to kill each other for being hypocrites.
The Jewish groups could demand circumcision anyway ~ but they've probably got their own homosexual crowd.
Same way they go after that status when certain speech takes place. In Kaganroo court, it will be all the worse.
Next I expect them to be told that they cannot mention “Jesus Christ” at their meetings.
Well... If you want funds from Caesar, then Caesar’s rules apply. This isn’t a violation of any Christian’s rights.
“This ruling can be used to defund the radical Muslim Student Associations across the United States.”
Whick you know will NEVER happen. . . .
The Saudis could be expected to make up any contributions that the universities might drop when it comes to funding the muslim brotherhood groups on campuses.
First, the answer to all your hypotheticals is "yes". Second, and this is what is a little misleading about this particular case, the Christian group didn't really receive public "funding". They were, like any recognized group on campus, assigned a building and room in which to meet. That, say the justices, constitutes "public funding"; access to public property.
I haven't read the decision in it's entirety yet (I'm barely a 1/4 of the way through MacDonald), but I'm interested especially in Alito's lengthy dissent. I'm worried what this might do to the Boy Scouts of America, who receive no public funding but are allowed to use public property.
I think this was a bad decision. I think Christians should do two things.
1. Join the gay group, the womyns terrorism group, etc., and participate. Join in large enough numbers to sway elections. Get to be president, co-chair, etc. Then change their platforms. Or vote to dissolve. Or something. Two can play at this game.
2. Continue to keep the Christian Legal Society as a private organization. Pin flyers about meetings to your shirts if you can’t use the bulletin board. Continue to operate at the school without the school’s support or approval.
Be careful. See my post just above. The "public funding" in this particular case was the use of a school classroom. The group received ZERO public funds; Not a dime.
Still, use of rooms for meetings is necessarily part of the package ~ it’s just not always thought of by the whingdings out to hurt other groups.
I really doubt it.
None of this PC stuff will EVER cut FOR Christians.
Interestingly I've faced the same sort of issue with regard to membership in the Orthodox Christian Fellowship at the (state) university where I work. We've had to adopt a constitution for the group that allows all students, regardless of religion, to join, but which constitutes a governing board for the group consisting of those members who are Orthodox Christians in good standing with any canonical Orthodox jurisdiction, and requires that officers be among the members of the governing board.
The simple answer is for Christian groups to simply not take funding from the school, then they can do whatever they want.
Then Gay groups can’t ban Christians from joining (in much larger numbers) and voting to disband them or use their funds to fight homosexuality. Right?
I wrote on my fb status the other day,
It’s always time to pray1 The time to act is now or we will lost the freedom to speak!
Can a straight Christian join their gay group?
Yep. I heard a pastor say “the worst insult one can receive is ‘I didn’t know you were a Christian’.” I personally am sick to death of Christians who feel it is unBiblical to have righteous anger and do something. It is for the Kingdom we should move.
Justice Kennedy the double-crosser, again! Oh, what a different nation we would have been if instead we had a Justice Bork.
The issue is more complex than simply not taking funding. Students are assessed fees in addition to their tuition by student government which then distributes funding to campus organizations. So Christian students will be forced to pay for other organization’s budgets and facilities and will never have access to money and facilities of their own.
The Catholic Church should note this as they push for "vouchers" to keep their schools from closing. Either self-fund, or fold.
Yes. And, a Republican could join the Democrat student group, and if he got enough of his Republican friends to join with him, he could conceivably lead the Democrat club.
ALITO, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which ROBERTS, C. J., and SCALIA and THOMAS, JJ., joined.
Kennedy: The supposed conservative who is why we still have legalized infanticide and now apparently sanctions against the first amendment free exercise of religion.
Opinion link: http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1371.pdf
How does that change the law?
In Alito’s dissent: “The proudest boast of our free speech jurisprudence is that we protect the freedom to express ‘the thought that we hate.’” United States v. Schwimmer, 279 U. S. 644, 654655 (1929)
Certainly at this university, if the Muslim association refuses to admit non-Muslims.