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PA-12 Poll: Critz (D) pulls ahead (GOP likely losing yet another special election)
Real Clear Politics ^ | May 12, 2010 | Kyle Trygstad

Posted on 05/12/2010 6:41:00 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

Mark Critz, a former aide to the late John Murtha and the Democratic nominee to replace him, has pulled out to a 6-point lead in the special election for Pennsylvania's 12th district, according to a new Susquehanna poll. Critz leads Republican Tim Burns 44%-38% with less than a week to go.

The Johnstown-based district in southwestern Pennsylvania has swing potential, despite the overwhelming Democratic registration advantage and Murtha's dominance in the district for the last 36 years. It's the only district that voted for both John Kerry and John McCain.

Critz is running as a continuation of Murtha -- a strategy that could be detrimental to his chances, as we've seen two incumbents in the last several days lose the nomination of their own party. And two more incumbents are in danger next Tuesday, as well, as Sens. Arlen Specter (D-Pa.) and Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.) go up against formidable challengers.

Both national parties are spending big on this race, as it could provide a boost in momentum for either. That includes Republicans, who haven't won a competitive House special election this cycle.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: congress; elections2010; house; johnmurtha; keyhouseraces; khr; markcritz; murtha; pennsylvania; timburns
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To: nbenyo

Instead of flaming out in 30 seconds with a knee jerk hyper ignorant rant, this time go actually look at the data on this district and learn the facts.


41 posted on 05/12/2010 7:15:49 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

It ain’t over til it’s over.

Can the Tea Party get workers on the ground? Work phones, put out signs, etc? There’s still a week and a day is a lifetime in politics.


42 posted on 05/12/2010 7:17:36 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: B Knotts

It is an especially uphill battle because the GOP establishment picked Burns over Russell who had run against Murtha in 2008 and did a good job given the circumstances. Now Burns and Russell are running against one another in the primary to see who runs in November. Even if Burns were to win, he might not be the Rep nominee in November.


43 posted on 05/12/2010 7:18:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Kenny

The tea party folks would have preferred Russell.


44 posted on 05/12/2010 7:18:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MNJohnnie
"These are districts where the people have been raised from birth to think "the Democrats are for the little guy"

Bump, I see this type of voter in my bar all the time. There is no reasoning with them. Satan himself could be on the ballot and "they" would vote for him. Hopeless.

45 posted on 05/12/2010 7:22:15 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Logic n' Reason
Where is the rino indignation over murtha and recently passed dem legislation?////

Last election, Murtha called his constituents racist rednecks. They still voted for him. They will vote for anything with a D behind it.

46 posted on 05/12/2010 7:23:07 AM PDT by imskylark
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To: MNJohnnie

whatever you say polyanna.


47 posted on 05/12/2010 7:28:21 AM PDT by nbenyo
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To: ScottinVA
Murtha called his own constituents racists and rednecks, yet they still voted for him by a landslide. That shows you the kind of "intelligence" we have in the majority of this particular electorate.

It is a 'Rat district in a blue state. It is a winnable race, but a long shot, and uphill struggle all the way. We may see a high-water mark kind of result, with the 'Pubs coming close and proclaiming a "moral victory" (i.e., losers) and "we'll get 'em next time", then once the 'Rat is entrenched going back to 20 or 30 point blowouts. Some areas of the country are just that way, and in PA, lately, it seems to be the trend.

48 posted on 05/12/2010 7:28:25 AM PDT by chimera
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To: imskylark

PA 12 voted for Bush in 2004 and McCain in 2008, so they WILL go for a candidate with an R after his name. Like many of these rust belt districts (inc. WV-1), they consist of conservative southern Democrats who like their “good old boys” and consistently re-elect incumbents like Murtha and Mollohan (who just got ousted finally). I think it’s more allegiance to the “good old boys” than it is party ideology.

Critz is tied to Murtha so that might have some bearing here. Or the poll could be totally off base because Burns’ polls have him leading.

Who will have the most energized voters? I believe it will be Burns, not Critz.


49 posted on 05/12/2010 7:35:39 AM PDT by randita (Visit keyhouseraces.com for a list of vulnerable DEM and must hold GOP House seats.)
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To: kabar
"...the GOP establishment picked Burns..."

Well, there's your problem.

50 posted on 05/12/2010 7:37:15 AM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer. Are you prepared?)
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To: kabar

From the Pittsburgh Tribune:

“Burns’ internal polling shows him leading Critz by 7 percentage points among voters who can correctly name the election day, which shows “intensity is on our side,” said campaign manager Kent Gates.”


51 posted on 05/12/2010 7:38:46 AM PDT by randita (Visit keyhouseraces.com for a list of vulnerable DEM and must hold GOP House seats.)
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To: randita

PA-12 voted for Kerry in 2004.


52 posted on 05/12/2010 7:38:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MNJohnnie

Murtha called his voters racist and rednecks. Yet he still won by 19%. Why are we even having a conversation about what type of district this is?


53 posted on 05/12/2010 7:40:20 AM PDT by italianquaker (My bartender knew about the attempted Christmas attack before odumbo)
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To: nbenyo
Oh very good. You managed to contain yourself for a whole 16 minutes this time yet you still mindlessly clung to your Chicken Little dogmas instead of bothering to learn a thing about the voting patterns in this district.
54 posted on 05/12/2010 7:43:39 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The problem with Socialism is eventually you run our of other peoples money. Lady Thatcher)
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To: MNJohnnie

You’re right, that we are competitive here puts many many other Dems at risk.

If the GOP can come within even a few percentage points of the Dem in this race I will be ecstatic. The Dems will be loading their pants if that happens.

Chickens ain’t hatched yet, if this is a Dem leaning push poll then this race is a dead heat.


55 posted on 05/12/2010 7:45:12 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners, no mercy. 2010 is here...)
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To: kabar

I stand corrected. Thanks.


56 posted on 05/12/2010 7:49:19 AM PDT by randita (Visit keyhouseraces.com for a list of vulnerable DEM and must hold GOP House seats.)
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To: Free Vulcan
Why Critz opposed the health care bill and won't repeal it.

Like most Dems, Critz is trying to run like a conservative on the big issues.

57 posted on 05/12/2010 7:56:15 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Drill Thrawl

No they didn’t. Burns is a conservative, and he won a fair and open primary against Russell. There was no “picking” in this district as there was in NY-23.


58 posted on 05/12/2010 8:04:13 AM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative
There was not a primary in the selection of Burns over Russell. According to PA2010.com, Burns was the overwhelming choice of 132 delegates at a [convention], and he easily topped '08 nominee William Russell (R).

Despite losing the special election nomination tonight, Russell has filed to run in the primary, which is also scheduled to be held on 5/18. Russell complained in the early stages of the race that party leaders favored Burns because of his ability to self-fund the short special election race. And believing the fix was in -- like ex-Treas. Barbara Hafer did on the Dem side -- Russell suspected that county party leaders would stack the convo deck with Burns' delegates.

But Burns' promise of personal cash must've been hard to ignore for GOPers. As of Dec. '09, he had already put $75K into the race. Still, in order to overcome the Dem registration advantage in the CD, and his lack of name ID, he'll need to make a much more significant investment.

The real GOP primary will be on May 18. We will see how Russell fares with the GOP voters and not just the establishment.

59 posted on 05/12/2010 8:16:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Tribune7; smoothsailing; jazusamo

Thanks for the ping, Trib.

Bump up to smooth & jaz - lots of misinformation being battered around above. ;^)


60 posted on 05/12/2010 8:36:16 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !! Â)
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