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Sex assault a 'trade-off' in mental ward, administrator says
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | May 9, 2010 | Steve Schultze, Meg Kissinger

Posted on 05/09/2010 5:46:52 AM PDT by chickadee

Milwaukee County's top mental health administrator intentionally houses female patients with men known to be dangerous "because the presence of women reduces the likelihood of the men being violent," according to a county supervisor's letter obtained by the Journal Sentinel.

John Chianelli, administrator of the county's Behavioral Health Division, told county supervisors during a closed-door session last month that segregating men and women would result in more violence.

"It's a trade-off," he said. "Putting 24 aggressive male patients into a male-only unit would increase the level of violence in the unit."

Chianelli's remarks came during a County Board committee called into closed session on April 14 to find out why there are reports of an increasing number of sexual assaults at the county facility, including the rape of a 22-year-old pregnant woman last summer.

(Excerpt) Read more at jsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: government; mentalhealth; sexucalassault
"Chianelli defended mixed-gender units as a way to reduce the likelihood of violence by male patients against other male patients. He also conceded that such units at the Mental Health Complex "cause more sexual problems," De Bruin's letter says. Chianelli reviewed medical literature and found, "Going to gender-based units trades violence for sexual assaults."

And the County Board is still in the talking phase. This is the face of government controlled medicine.
1 posted on 05/09/2010 5:46:52 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: chickadee

And where are the Pro Women’s Groups???

birds chirping.


2 posted on 05/09/2010 5:48:43 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Ok, joke's over....Bring back Bush !)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

A very good question.

This is the first I’ve heard of the situation. Where are the advocates (i.e. attorneys) for the poor/disabled?

I will be interested to see what the political reaction (and the conservative talk radio response) will be tomorrow. That administrator should be brought up on criminal negligence charges.


3 posted on 05/09/2010 5:52:13 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

“And where are the Pro Women’s Groups???”

I think that the Soviets were known to do that too. They’d send a trainload of women prisoners to an all-male Siberian slave-camp, watch the fireworks, then remove and bury the female bodies.

That should answer your question. The Soviet Union is the role model for all of these groups - they can’t possibly see anything wrong in this.


4 posted on 05/09/2010 5:57:56 AM PDT by BobL
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To: chickadee
“Going to gender-based units trades violence for sexual assaults.”

That half-wit needs to be reassigned to a class in rape 101 ... sexual assault is one of the worst forms violence imaginable.

5 posted on 05/09/2010 5:59:11 AM PDT by emissarium (Passivity is not an option ... it's surrender.)
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To: chickadee

Soooo, they are saying that to keep these men from being violent, they are offering up these women against their will to be the ‘relief’ by being raped.

I keep saying this, but I swear I slipped into an alternate universe back in 2008.


6 posted on 05/09/2010 6:00:12 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: chickadee

I’m sure it does wonders for the women’s mental health.


7 posted on 05/09/2010 6:00:41 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: autumnraine

Sounds like the women need to be removed and the administrator needs to be locked in with the men for a while.

I’m guessing his own perversions are behind this.


8 posted on 05/09/2010 6:02:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: chickadee
"Going to gender-based units trades violence for sexual assaults."

Translation- it makes our job easier if we just let them get raped.

Excuse me...I need to go throw up now.

9 posted on 05/09/2010 6:03:01 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am not a administrative, corporate, collective, legal, political or public entity or ~person~)
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To: chickadee

Collecting their fees of course.


10 posted on 05/09/2010 6:06:02 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: MamaTexan

It’s beyond belief, isn’t it? And the County Board, sitting around waiting for this maniac administrator to send them four page letters. The Board should be recalled. It wouldn’t be the first time. The voters of this county did it over the pension scandal in 2002.

Sadly, medically sanctioned rape probably won’t arouse nearly as much rage in the voter.


11 posted on 05/09/2010 6:08:18 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: chickadee

Rape isn’t violence?


12 posted on 05/09/2010 6:16:38 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The naked casuistry of the high priests of Warmism would make a Jesuit blush.)
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To: chickadee
Is "pimping" a line item in the jail's budget?

This is terrible!

13 posted on 05/09/2010 6:20:12 AM PDT by pointsal
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To: MamaTexan
“Excuse me...I need to go throw up now.”

Pardon the crudity, please, Ma’am, but I think someone needs their balls nailed to the wall. Separate from their body, which should also be nailed up there as a warning to others.

This administrator is too stupid to understand, apparently, that rape IS violence.

14 posted on 05/09/2010 6:20:18 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: chickadee

The administrator needs a .38 caliber vasectomy.


15 posted on 05/09/2010 6:23:53 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: pointsal

It isn’t a “jail” - it’s the County’s mental health facility (i.e. hospital).


16 posted on 05/09/2010 6:25:27 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: chickadee

Just when you think you can’t be shocked anymore and your jaw can’t drop any further towards the ground.........


17 posted on 05/09/2010 6:28:48 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (We need a group of men with the intelligence, courage, & integrity that our Founding Fathers had.)
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To: chickadee

Trying to calm the insane men by offering them insane women to rape.

Not a very pretty picture.


18 posted on 05/09/2010 6:34:05 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: cripplecreek
Sounds like the women need to be removed and the administrator needs to be locked in with the men for a while. I’m guessing his own perversions are behind this.

The only possible answer. When you have a secure environment under 24/7 control, there is no excuse for either sexual assault or any other kind of violence. This a pervert playing games with people's lives.

19 posted on 05/09/2010 6:35:06 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: chickadee
It is bad enough that John Chianelli was ever placed in a position where he could manipulate human beings like this, but far worse that a county board of supervisors have not summarily discharged him over such malfeasance.

Mr. niteowl77

20 posted on 05/09/2010 6:40:23 AM PDT by niteowl77 (Government controlled medicine will create Mengele-shaped pegs for placement in the available holes.)
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To: chickadee
“And the County Board is still in the talking phase.”

Sounds as if they haven't wised up since my brush with Milwaukee County Hospital over 30 years ago. I was breakin’ ribs coughing. Finally went to County for an xray. The found some small TB scars. Locked me in the TB ward with really sick people for a year before doing a bronchoscopy and discovering I had noncontagious Atypical TB, probably contracted whist working in the garden. Yes, you can get TB from working with tuberous plants. I had a huge Lily bed that I split up every year or so. Ended up having to take TB meds for two years! The point is, THEY FREAKIN’ LOCKED ME INTO A CLOSED WARD FOR OVER A YEAR BEFORE THEY DID ANYTHING! Is that what they did with AIDS patients? Sorry for the rant, but Milwaukee's med stuff has been screwed up forever!

21 posted on 05/09/2010 6:43:17 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: niteowl77
These are the faces of idiocy.

The vacant seat is because the supervisor was convicted and sentenced to jail for campaign fraud. (sigh)
22 posted on 05/09/2010 6:47:52 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: chickadee
Milwaukee County's top mental health administrator intentionally houses female patients with men known to be dangerous "because the presence of women reduces the likelihood of the men being violent," according to a county supervisor's letter obtained by the Journal Sentinel.

Translation: letting male prisoners rape female prisoners reduces aggression against unionized staff. The administrators want to keep labor trouble to a minimum.

I'm also going to be interested in what race most of the raped women belong to.

23 posted on 05/09/2010 6:49:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I am so sorry to hear that. The horror stories about County Hospital have been around ever since I can remember.

How did you finally manage to get out? Did you need legal help?


24 posted on 05/09/2010 6:50:55 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: chickadee

bookmarked


25 posted on 05/09/2010 6:50:55 AM PDT by fso301
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To: chickadee

For those of you who are shocked, this has been going on for years and years. Coed units do decrease violence but the sexual assault part has been kept quiet.

There was a famous case at Johns HOpkins some years ago you might remember. An anchor woman was on a psych unit and was raped by a sex offender and the police were not called. THey wouldn’t let her leave and she eloped to another hospital. Before the cops were able to investigate, Hopkins transferred the male to an out of state hospital thrwarting the cops.

Eventually, she sued and Hopkins paid huge bucks to her to settle.

The man was an offender being treated by a doc there whose practice was treating male sex offenders. they knowingly put him on a coed unit.

Women lessen violence in society in general. That is the thinking. But sex offenders are in a different category. They need jail.


26 posted on 05/09/2010 6:52:03 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: cajungirl

This is what happens when eggheads are allowed to put their theories into practice.

There are a lot of these ivory tower eggheads in the Obama administration.

What will medical care look like when they have been allowed to tinker with our lives via their crackpot theories?


27 posted on 05/09/2010 6:55:50 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: chickadee

“How did you finally manage to get out?”

When they finally did the tissue sample, and found my problem was Atypical TB, and not something I could infect another with, they let me out. But it was over a year of my life gone. My electronics job, gone. My apartment, gone. All my belongings, gone. I had to work as an ACE janitor for a good while to just get back on my feet. If they had done the sample immediately, none of that would have happened.
One day I got the xray. They told me I had broken ribs again, and gave me codeine. Called me back the next day for a conference. Some conference! “You have TB, and are being placed in a locked ward.” Out of sight, out of mind! I lost everything!


28 posted on 05/09/2010 6:58:42 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: chickadee

THis has been going on at least 40 years,,the move toward coed psychiatric facilities. Can’t blame this on Obama. Or on health care.

The idea did originate with egg heads I guess, sociologists. And it has been expanded to college dorms and many other facilities.

I think the outrageous thing is the guy’s sort of cavalier acceptance of sexual assault.


29 posted on 05/09/2010 6:59:34 AM PDT by cajungirl
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To: chickadee

Only a complete idiot would put a woman in harm’s way to make their job easier. I’d fire the lot and get someone who understands what prison’s are for.


30 posted on 05/09/2010 6:59:58 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Comrade O has to go.)
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To: BuffaloJack

This is not a prison. This is the mental health facilty at the County Hospital.


31 posted on 05/09/2010 7:01:08 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: chickadee
putting a calm locust that isn't bothered by the brushing of the wings into the swarm???
32 posted on 05/09/2010 7:01:14 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: kalee

bookmark


33 posted on 05/09/2010 7:07:14 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: chickadee

Perhaps slightly off subject - but this is about as dumb as putting Navy waves on a submarine with a couple hundred or more sex-starved seamen! Nothing good can come of that situation either.


34 posted on 05/09/2010 7:07:46 AM PDT by Froggie
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To: chickadee

“This is not a prison. This is the mental health facilty at the County Hospital.”

And the inmates are running the asylum.


35 posted on 05/09/2010 7:14:20 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: chickadee
There are two possibilities.

1) The reporter writing the story has mucked it up completely and has taken things that Chianelli said and mixed them up for sensationalism. (Naww, reporters would never do that, would they?)

2) Chianelli is nuts. And dangerous to all his patients, not just the women.

If the correct answer is 1, I sure hope Chianelli made a tape of the interview. His career is probably ruined otherwise. If it's 2, it's a good thing his career is ruined.

36 posted on 05/09/2010 8:04:33 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Stephen Decatur: you want barrels of gunpowder as tribute, you must expect cannonballs with it.)
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To: chickadee

sfl


37 posted on 05/09/2010 8:07:03 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: chickadee

I’ll bet he treats his wife like a slave (if he even has a wife).


38 posted on 05/09/2010 8:09:57 AM PDT by conservativesister
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To: autumnraine; chickadee
Soooo, they are saying that to keep these men from being violent, they are offering up these women against their will to be the ‘relief’ by being raped.

Reminds me of the "Comfort Women" enslaved by the Imperial Japanese during WWII.

39 posted on 05/09/2010 8:11:01 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: Venturer

Cheaper than cable TV, I guess.


40 posted on 05/09/2010 9:02:45 AM PDT by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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To: chickadee

“This is not a prison. This is the mental health facilty at the County Hospital.”

If you’re not free to leave, it’s pretty much the same thing.


41 posted on 05/09/2010 9:08:54 AM PDT by PLMerite (Ride to the sound of the Guns - I'll probably need help.)
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To: chickadee
I'm sure the Imperial Japanese Army thought much the same way of the Korean "comfort women" it carried in its train.

Can you imagine how the fathers and brothers of these poor girls must feel? If one of them put a bullet between this fiend's eyes, and I sat on the jury, there would be no conviction.

42 posted on 05/09/2010 10:06:50 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ccmay

Thinking about the cavalier attitude of this jerk in charge, makes one nearly speechless. What’s a little rape if the ward is quieter? It’s the county employees we must think of. We can’t endanger them. [/sarcasm}


43 posted on 05/09/2010 10:09:45 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: chickadee

Administrator needs to be removed and prosecuted.


44 posted on 05/09/2010 4:45:38 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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