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Army to court martial 'birther' officer (MSNBC)
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/04/13/2267021.aspx ^

Posted on 04/14/2010 8:41:47 AM PDT by cycle of discernment

Edited on 04/14/2010 9:00:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

U.S. military officials tell NBC News that the U.S. Army will court martial a lieutenant colonel who refuses to deploy to Afghanistan because he considers orders from President Obama to be "illegal."

Army doctor Lt. Col. Terry Lakin believes Obama does not meet the constitutional requirements to be president and commander-in-chief, because he believes (incorrectly) that Obama wasn't born in the United States.


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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: army; birthcertificate; certifigate; duplicate; lakin; military; naturalborncitizen; obama; terrylakin
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1 posted on 04/14/2010 8:41:47 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

Georgw Washington and other freedom fighters had it a lot worse - and survived.

I pray for that good soldier.


2 posted on 04/14/2010 8:43:17 AM PDT by bestintxas
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To: cycle of discernment

This was to be expected.

What makes this one different and interesting is that it’s an active duty officer, not a reservist whose orders can easily be revoked.


3 posted on 04/14/2010 8:43:26 AM PDT by Terabitten ("Don't retreat. RELOAD!!" -Sarah Palin)
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To: cycle of discernment

I wonder why he just now decided an order was illegal? Shouldn’t he have been disobeying all his orders since Obama became CIC?


4 posted on 04/14/2010 8:46:33 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: cycle of discernment

“because he believes (incorrectly)”
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Pffft!

Written by NBC and posted on mslsd.

Have they seen the authentic long form BC? I think not.


5 posted on 04/14/2010 8:46:44 AM PDT by Canedawg (I'm not digging this tyranny thing.)
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To: cycle of discernment

He should have deployed.


6 posted on 04/14/2010 8:47:13 AM PDT by sauropod (Ill behaved women rarely make dinner.)
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To: Terabitten

I don’t know how military courts work, but I could see a liberal civilian judge focusing only on the not following orders piece (not sure if that means he is awol or not) and steering everything away from obama, just like that judge did for that abortion doctor shooter.


7 posted on 04/14/2010 8:47:44 AM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: cycle of discernment
Maybe the trial will produce some truth on Obama’s past,
We live in a country where the currency is lies. I thought Bill Clinton the master but Obama both tells and is a lie.
8 posted on 04/14/2010 8:48:00 AM PDT by Hans
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To: stuartcr
I wonder why he just now decided an order was illegal? Shouldn’t he have been disobeying all his orders since Obama became CIC?

Maybe he (naively) assumed that by now one of the numerous other lawsuits would have borne fruit and asked the president to show his birth certificate. When it became obvious that wasn't going to happen, he moved forward? (Just speculating.)

MM (in TX)

9 posted on 04/14/2010 8:48:20 AM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: cycle of discernment
If as Comrade Obama Jr claims his dad was Barak Hussein Obama Sr, of Kenya,
than it's not possible for Junior to be a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.

At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution,
the definition of natural born citizen, combined both the principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Emmerich De Vattel, (1714-1767,) Law of Nations, 1758, § 212, "Of the citizens and naturals."

10 posted on 04/14/2010 8:48:47 AM PDT by ASA Vet (The are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: cycle of discernment
...this Lt Colonel "(incorrectly)" believes O was not born in the US...

I think he has stated that he does not know where Obama was born. Shoot, I don't know where I was born except for my birth certificate (oh, and my parents' word - which is not good enough for anyone but me).

I wonder if the LtCol will be able to subpoena the birth certificate?

11 posted on 04/14/2010 8:49:22 AM PDT by Never on my watch (A Militia is just a community organization)
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Army ‘showdown’ at eligibility corral
Top doctor refuses orders, urges Obama to show birth certificate – ‘If you have One’


Posted: March 31, 2010
6:13 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

Lt. Col. Terry Lakin is the highest-ranking and first active-duty officer to refuse to obey orders based on President Obama’s eligibility.

A top-ranking, highly decorated officer in the U.S. Army says he’s now refusing all orders until President Barack Obama finally releases his long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate to prove his eligibility to serve as commander in chief.

“I feel I have no choice but the distasteful one of inviting my own court martial,” said Lt. Col. Terry Lakin, an active-duty flight surgeon charged with caring for Army Chief of Staff Gen. George Casey’s pilots and air crew. “The Constitution matters. The truth matters.”

“For the first time in all my years of service to our great nation, and at great peril to my career and future, I am choosing to disobey what I believe are illegal orders, including an order to deploy to Afghanistan for my second tour of duty there. I will disobey my orders to deploy because I – and I believe all servicemen and women and the American people – deserve the truth about President Obama’s constitutional eligibility to the office of the presidency and the commander in chief.

“If he is ineligible, then my orders – and indeed all orders – are illegal because all orders have their origin with the commander in chief as handed down through the chain of command.”

In his video message now posted on YouTube, the 18-year veteran personally pleads with the president to stop withholding the key document which would put to rest many of the doubts that continue to linger more than a year into Obama’s term.

“President Obama, I ask you to respect and uphold the Constitution. Be transparent and show your honesty and integrity. Release your original, signed birth certificate, if you have one, thus proving your birth on American soil, and thus assure the American people that you are lawfully eligible to hold the office of the presidency and serve as commander in chief of the Armed Forces.”

“Any reasonable person looking critically at the evidence currently in the public domain would have questions about President Obama’s claim to be a natural-born citizen,” Lakin continued, stating this “troubling” information has gone unanswered “because he refuses to release his original birth certificate dating from 1961 and bearing the signature of the doctor who delivered him. This burden of proof must fall upon the president.”

Lakin is the highest-ranking officer to go public over Obama’s legitimacy and the first active-duty officer to do so. Others in the military who have challenged the president to no avail thus far include Army doctor Capt. Connie Rhodes and Army reservist Maj. Stefan Cook.


12 posted on 04/14/2010 8:49:29 AM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

What was that little slip of the tongue, made by ‘Her Royal Nastiness’ Michelle Obama, about Barak’s “home country” of Kenya? Wonder what the Marxist Stained Media has to say about that?


13 posted on 04/14/2010 8:49:47 AM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !)
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To: bestintxas

Doesn’t this add another element to be dealt with though? Won’t the soldier bring a lawsuit to defend his honor, thereby perhaps forcing an investigation into the BC?

I believe 100% this guy was NOT born here, otherwise no reason to spend so much money to fight it and keep his records “hidden”. I see this as an attempt by Obozo to deter others from making similar stances. What a weasel TOTUS is.


14 posted on 04/14/2010 8:50:11 AM PDT by Mich Patriot
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To: Beckwith; bgill; butterdezillion; bvw; Danae; dennisw; El Gato; exit82; Forty-Niner; holden; ...

NBC Ping....


15 posted on 04/14/2010 8:51:27 AM PDT by ASA Vet (The are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: stuartcr

If you read his bio, he went to his superiors about this issue and exhausted other options. Its not a new thing that he just ‘decided’ to do this now.


16 posted on 04/14/2010 8:52:02 AM PDT by dubie (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: cycle of discernment
It appears this brave soldier now has a vested interest in seeing Obama's birth certificate.
If voters began demanding that anyone running for office promise to require proof of Obama's origin of birth in order to win our vote, we could thin out the herd.
17 posted on 04/14/2010 8:52:12 AM PDT by The Brush
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It will be interesting to see how deep the Court Martial goes. Will they just dismiss this officers views or will they allow evidence to prove that he is right? The next question is will this guy use a Military officer as an attorney or will he get a civilian attorney? In some Court Martials.....this is an important aspect. Some civilian attorneys have no respect or understanding of a Militay Court.


18 posted on 04/14/2010 8:52:16 AM PDT by RC2
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Will the Military be forced to prove that the deployment order was legitimate by showing evidence that Obama does indeed meet the qualifications to hold the position of President.
19 posted on 04/14/2010 8:53:10 AM PDT by Never on my watch (A Militia is just a community organization)
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First off, Manchelle Obama beautiful, second off, Manchelle Obama never wrong!

20 posted on 04/14/2010 8:55:51 AM PDT by chris37
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