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Hour-long hailstorm may have caused 1,000-year freeze, say scientists
Telegraph ^ | 04/02/10

Posted on 04/02/2010 4:06:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: Lazamataz; LibLieSlayer
To LLS: See there! You pays your money and takes your choice!

Q: How many lawyers does it take to change a light bulb?

A: How many can you afford?

41 posted on 04/02/2010 10:29:27 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: BitWielder1
The last major glaciation was over about 15,000 years ago. The current interglacial is 5,000 years overdue to disappear.

What occurred in the middle is a phenomenon called "The Younger Dryas" ~ about 11,000 years ago, after everything had become warm and toasty and even forests were returning to the Midwest, it got nasty and cold again and glaciers built up almost overnight.

This diaster destroyed the Clovis culture in North America, and in some manner wiped out both the Giant Hairy Elephants, which was bad, and the Giant Nasty Saber toothed Tigers, which was good!

It lasted 1000 years.

Studies of nanoparticles left behind at the time indicate that a comet caused the problem one way or the other ~ either by dropping a giant hailstorm on Earth, or blasting holes in the remaining glacial sheet in Canada, or knocking SUVs off the road ~ something like that.

Whatever you learned as a child about the Ice Age(s) is bunk. There were at least 20 major cycles over the last couple of million years. The next one is certainly going to happen.

42 posted on 04/02/2010 3:56:42 PM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The catastrophe, caused by a disintegrating comet, wiped out large numbers of animal species and disrupted human cultures.

Anything which disrupts food supplies disrupts human culture.

If these hit with the power of megaton bombs, where are the craters?

43 posted on 04/02/2010 3:58:56 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster


It's a space peanut

44 posted on 04/02/2010 4:00:45 PM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It is no different than a giant rock hitting earth.

Yep, except you'd get a crater and no rock.

So where are the craters?

45 posted on 04/02/2010 4:03:06 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
There should be many small craters made by those comets. However,even if they said each has the power of megaton bomb, its depth cannot be as deep as the one we tend to associate with the power of such magnitude. It does not help that earth was still covered with thick ice and when glacier finally melt, the part of crater itself could have been washed out. Then, there is a chance that comet broke up in the atmosphere.

I remember somebody tried to find out exactly how many craters Earth has, upon seeing so many on the Moon. He figured that Earth must have as many as the Moon. He wondered where they were. Or Earth is really lucky to escape barrage from space? I think he used some earth-penetrating radar(?) to sweep the earth and found out there are a lot more crater impressions than we see on the surface. Most have been covered up.

I am sure many comets landed on earth and made some marks. We have to track down all those crater impressions under the surface and ascertain their age. That is a lot of work but I hope they are able to do it someday.

46 posted on 04/02/2010 7:26:58 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: blam

Yup.

Seems to be good evidence of a comet coming in - splitting, part of it exploding over Alaska, and the rest exploding a bit southwest of Lake Superior

about 13,000 yrs ago, around 11,400 BC.


47 posted on 04/02/2010 7:32:48 PM PDT by djf
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This theory is as valid as Global Warming. Looks like he didn’t get a grant (taxpayers money) to dream up this scenario. Hey, maybe it’s true go ask the cave men or dinosaurs (/sarc)


48 posted on 04/02/2010 7:37:40 PM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: dennisw
As long as this guy is not trying to dictate policy on the global scale which runs the risk of wasting trillions or money or even worse ruining millions of lives, he could push it as scientific hypothesis. I am against applying half-baked theory to human society, based on some ingrained ideological bias, such as quest for regaining primordial unmolested past. That is basically what leftism in the West is about.

Many man-made catastrophes of the world in last couple of centuries originated from this mentality in a nutshell.

49 posted on 04/02/2010 7:47:23 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


50 posted on 04/02/2010 7:47:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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51 posted on 04/02/2010 7:48:40 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Correction: trillions orof money
52 posted on 04/02/2010 7:52:24 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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No, but I think as the old saying goes I could probably tell you if it will for the next 3 Sundays or not... It’s a shame I can’t remember how the tale went, I just remember it vaguely. Perhaps someone else on the thread will remember...


53 posted on 04/02/2010 7:59:17 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Fresh Wind
Thousands of chunks of material from the comet would have rained down on Earth, each one releasing the energy of a one megaton nuclear bomb.

It was all that nuclear bomb energy released that caused the fires...but somehow didn't prevent the freezing.

Everything lined up just exactly wrong, allowing Heisenburg's uncertain little demon to make everything colder, the hotter it became, just like putting a tea kettle on the fire to freeze, or into the fridge to boil.

54 posted on 04/02/2010 8:36:02 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (If Liberalism doesn't kill me, I'll live 'till I die!)
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To: Raycpa
A big hailstorm could also account for the flash freezing of mammoths. A flood could, too. When the "fountains of the deep" opened up, and water shot a couple of dozen miles in the air, got supercooled, then fell back to earth, lowering the temperatures beyond the norm.
55 posted on 04/02/2010 8:37:36 PM PDT by Othniel (Meddlng in human affairs for 1/20th of a millennium.......)
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To: zot

Space objects ping.


56 posted on 04/02/2010 8:47:32 PM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the space objects ping. Must have been small chunks at relatively low velocity, without world-wide fires followed by world-wide winter, because it didn’t wipe out the megafauna in Africa. If anything like comet Shoemaker Levy had hit the Earth instead of Jupiter we wouldn’t be here.


57 posted on 04/02/2010 9:36:44 PM PDT by zot
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It does not help that earth was still covered with thick ice and when glacier finally melt, the part of crater itself could have been washed out.

Actually, I am near the southern edge of the last advance, marked in North Dakota by the Missouri River. About half of North America was not covered by the ice at that point, although just north of the river the thickness estimate for the ice sheet is over a kilometer.

While glacial outwash, loess (windblown sediment), and normal processes since then have doubtless obscured many of the features, satellite imaging in the infrared spectrum and radar mapping have disclosed many features both natural and artificial which are otherwise not readily apparent in high altitude imagery. I would hope the writers would pursue attempting to identify such features, and if they find any possibles in NW North Dakota or NE Montana I would be willing to put in some spare time doing field work and sampling to help verify or refute individual sites. (I have a strange concept fo 'fun', at least to most folks.)

My interest is in finding what may have driven any climate change at that point.

I do not find the evidence supportive of Anthropogenic Global Warming/Climate Change (not beyond a local scale), but I do believe natural processes have been at work, including impacts of material from space.

58 posted on 04/03/2010 1:14:18 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This was also at the same time of the gigantic zeta-pinch aurora that could have profoundly altered climate as well as have resulted in many of the same features (such as widespread burning and formation of nanodiamonds) as the comet-encounter that left no crater.
59 posted on 04/03/2010 1:21:48 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: TigerLikesRooster

You are right. This guy may be grandstanding and looking for notoriety. Or maybe he is very good at what he does. But he’s not trying to use science to force an eco-agenda that costs trillions the way the global warming frauds do


60 posted on 04/03/2010 2:31:48 AM PDT by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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