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Green think tank tells environmentalists: Leave climate change science behind
The Hill ^ | March 29, 2010 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 03/30/2010 5:08:24 AM PDT by RogerFGay

Leaders of a contrarian environmental think tank, The Breakthrough Institute, have a way to get beyond the climate science wars: Break the link between global warming research and the push for low-carbon energy.

Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, in a new essay in Yale Environment 360, argue that environmentalists are too eager to link natural disasters and dangerous weather to man-made climate change.

They say this is a losing hand that has been made even weaker by the furor over the now-infamous hacked climate science emails, and controversy surrounding the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

They write:

Climate science, even at its most uncontroversial, could never motivate the remaking of the entire global energy economy. Efforts to use climate science to threaten an apocalyptic future should we fail to embrace green proposals, and to characterize present-day natural disasters as terrifying previews of an impending day of reckoning, have only served to undermine the credibility of both climate science and progressive energy policy.


The essay also suggests that climate advocacy and research have become too intertwined, with environmentalists seeking to represent the science as “apocalyptic, imminent, and certain.” The science has been harmed as a result, they argue, stating:

Greens pushed climate scientists to become outspoken advocates of action to address global warming. Captivated by the notion that their voices and expertise were singularly necessary to save the world, some climate scientists attempted to oblige. The result is that the use, and misuse, of climate science by advocates began to wash back into the science itself.

They later conclude:

Climate science can still usefully inform us about the possible trajectories of the global climate and help us prepare for extreme weather and natural disasters, whether climate change ultimately results in their intensification or not. And understood in its proper role, as one of many reasons why we should decarbonize the global economy, climate science can even help contribute to the case for taking such action. But so long as environmentalists continue to demand that climate science drive the transformation of the global energy economy, neither the science, nor efforts to address climate change, will be well served.


Shellenberger and Nordhaus are a contrarian pair with a years-long penchant for telling the mainstream environmental movement that it’s screwing up the climate fight in one way or another. Several of their past essays have been controversial, notably 2004’s "The Death of Environmentalism."

The Yale Environment 360 website has a comments section below the articles. Look for a lively response to their new piece.





TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amazongate; carbontrade; climatechange; climatechangedata; climategate; ecofascism; envirofascism; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; greens; guardian; ipcc; liberalfascism
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To: exDemMom
Exactly how can the economy be "decarbonized"? The majority of all products bought and sold are carbon-based. The only "decarbonized" economy is a non-existent economy.

Ultimately, it all stems from the socialist dream to make everyone (except The Political Class) equally poor.
21 posted on 03/30/2010 5:41:39 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: GonzoGOP

OK - Here’s one that’s kind of a sick joke. I read an article yesterday based on an interview with Michael Mann. He’s trying to distance himself from Phil Jones by saying he just wasn’t clear enough about his ethical objections to what Jones proposed. Uh-huh! Yeah sure. Mann is an ethical scientist - victim of circumstances .....


22 posted on 03/30/2010 5:44:38 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: Always A Marine
Well, well -- now we have it! It's not about science at all; it's about "remaking the entire global energy economy" through "progressive energy policy."

Did you ever have any doubt?
23 posted on 03/30/2010 5:45:40 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

You missed the second paragraph!


24 posted on 03/30/2010 5:49:08 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: P-Marlowe
Why do the greens want plants to starve?

Population control? They think there are too many people (and of the "kind we don't want", in Ruth Bader Ginsburg's happy phrase!). Hasn't the left used starvation before (I'm thinking of the early Soviet Union, but there are probably other examples)? It's way too powerful a tool to waste!

25 posted on 03/30/2010 5:49:19 AM PDT by maryz
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To: RogerFGay

No but i find it amazing that they are admitting it. Well not exactly admitting it, but at least trying to blame each other for having done it. In the process admitting to the lie, but saying it was the other guys idea.


26 posted on 03/30/2010 5:51:42 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: RogerFGay

Forcing you to turn over the green in your wallet is everything the Green Movement has always been about.

Partly.

The Green Movement is REALLY about depopulation of planet Earth,by any means necessary, according to the hard core members.


27 posted on 03/30/2010 5:55:27 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: aflaak

ping


28 posted on 03/30/2010 6:05:44 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 (It isn't settled because it isn't science)
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To: GonzoGOP

bttt


29 posted on 03/30/2010 6:09:21 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Sowell's book, Intellectuals and Society, eviscerates the fantasies that uphold leftist thought)
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To: Always A Marine

Endgame?

Toshiba eyes nuke alliance with Gates start-up
http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-20000966-54.html


30 posted on 03/30/2010 6:12:42 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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To: RogerFGay
Of course, why let a few pestiferous facts get in the way of fulfilling one's ideological agenda?


global warming,hoax,fraud,Jones,Phil Jones,CRU,falsified data,Democrats,leftists,liberals


Suckas!, small

Obama
31 posted on 03/30/2010 6:17:46 AM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Green movement! The last time I had a green movement the doctor told me to change my diet.

If the green movement is serious about depopulation of earth then they should immediately set the example by removing themselves from earth’s population.


32 posted on 03/30/2010 6:32:12 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: GonzoGOP

I love it, what’s that saying about failure being an orphan? AGW is fast becoming an orphan.


33 posted on 03/30/2010 6:39:31 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: RogerFGay

The hysterical hi-jacking by the left has discredited any serious environmental movement.


34 posted on 03/30/2010 6:47:39 AM PDT by Spok (Free Range Republican)
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To: RogerFGay

bump


35 posted on 03/30/2010 6:48:10 AM PDT by VOA
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To: IamConservative
"Beware the man who peddles doom and will provide you a solution upon receipt of your treasure..."

Excellent. I'm stealing that line for my home page.

36 posted on 03/30/2010 7:25:59 AM PDT by carolinablonde ("The Constitution protects all of us, not just those on the left." - Gov. Sarah Palin)
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To: GonzoGOP
See this:

James Lovelock: 'Fudging data is a sin against science'

James Lovelock is the man who first developed the "Gaia theory" in the late 1960s:

37 posted on 03/30/2010 9:36:34 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: RogerFGay; SunkenCiv; Marine_Uncle; Fred Nerks; steelyourfaith; NormsRevenge; onyx; BOBTHENAILER; ..

fyi


38 posted on 03/30/2010 9:38:20 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Always remember, slime is green.


39 posted on 03/30/2010 9:44:57 AM PDT by onyx (Facts don't matter. Proof not required. Anything goes! Racial slurs, death threats.....)
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To: onyx
LOL....

I'll try to remember that....thanks.

40 posted on 03/30/2010 10:10:51 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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