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Green think tank tells environmentalists: Leave climate change science behind
The Hill ^ | March 29, 2010 | Roger F. Gay

Posted on 03/30/2010 5:08:24 AM PDT by RogerFGay

Leaders of a contrarian environmental think tank, The Breakthrough Institute, have a way to get beyond the climate science wars: Break the link between global warming research and the push for low-carbon energy.

Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger, in a new essay in Yale Environment 360, argue that environmentalists are too eager to link natural disasters and dangerous weather to man-made climate change.

They say this is a losing hand that has been made even weaker by the furor over the now-infamous hacked climate science emails, and controversy surrounding the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

They write:

Climate science, even at its most uncontroversial, could never motivate the remaking of the entire global energy economy. Efforts to use climate science to threaten an apocalyptic future should we fail to embrace green proposals, and to characterize present-day natural disasters as terrifying previews of an impending day of reckoning, have only served to undermine the credibility of both climate science and progressive energy policy.


The essay also suggests that climate advocacy and research have become too intertwined, with environmentalists seeking to represent the science as “apocalyptic, imminent, and certain.” The science has been harmed as a result, they argue, stating:

Greens pushed climate scientists to become outspoken advocates of action to address global warming. Captivated by the notion that their voices and expertise were singularly necessary to save the world, some climate scientists attempted to oblige. The result is that the use, and misuse, of climate science by advocates began to wash back into the science itself.

They later conclude:

Climate science can still usefully inform us about the possible trajectories of the global climate and help us prepare for extreme weather and natural disasters, whether climate change ultimately results in their intensification or not. And understood in its proper role, as one of many reasons why we should decarbonize the global economy, climate science can even help contribute to the case for taking such action. But so long as environmentalists continue to demand that climate science drive the transformation of the global energy economy, neither the science, nor efforts to address climate change, will be well served.


Shellenberger and Nordhaus are a contrarian pair with a years-long penchant for telling the mainstream environmental movement that it’s screwing up the climate fight in one way or another. Several of their past essays have been controversial, notably 2004’s "The Death of Environmentalism."

The Yale Environment 360 website has a comments section below the articles. Look for a lively response to their new piece.





TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amazongate; carbontrade; climatechange; climatechangedata; climategate; ecofascism; envirofascism; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; globalwarmingscandal; greens; guardian; ipcc; liberalfascism
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1 posted on 03/30/2010 5:08:24 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

ping


2 posted on 03/30/2010 5:09:45 AM PDT by Ulysse (a)
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To: RogerFGay

Global warming theorists would have us believe that the 8 billion watts of energy poured out on the Earth by the sun EVERY second doesn’t cause temperature change, but an SUV idling in upstate New York will.


3 posted on 03/30/2010 5:10:23 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: RogerFGay
A new religion is now created and being funded by governments around the world.

They can $hit green for all I care as long as they stay out of my wallet.

4 posted on 03/30/2010 5:10:30 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante upagainst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: RogerFGay

Can they also tell Graham cracker.


5 posted on 03/30/2010 5:11:44 AM PDT by AU72
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To: RogerFGay

Gee, ya think? /s


6 posted on 03/30/2010 5:12:55 AM PDT by TheZMan (Just secede and get it over with. No love lost on either side. Cya.)
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To: RogerFGay
Efforts to use climate science to threaten an apocalyptic future should we fail to embrace green proposals, and to characterize present-day natural disasters as terrifying previews of an impending day of reckoning, have only served to undermine the credibility of both climate science and progressive energy policy.

Well DUH!

Beware the man who peddles doom and will provide you a solution upon receipt of your treasure...

7 posted on 03/30/2010 5:13:33 AM PDT by IamConservative (Liberty is all a good man needs to succeed.)
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To: RogerFGay

Hundreds of new breeder reactors please.


8 posted on 03/30/2010 5:15:13 AM PDT by listenhillary (Capitalism = billions raised from poverty, Socialism = billions reduced to starvation)
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To: RogerFGay
The money shot" motivate the remaking of the entire global energy economy".

Now we have the new thesis.

9 posted on 03/30/2010 5:20:14 AM PDT by justrepublican (Screaming like a "Vexatious requester" at a Wellstone memorial...........)
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To: RogerFGay; Amagi; rdl6989; Tunehead54; Clive; Little Bill; tubebender; marvlus; IrishCatholic; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

10 posted on 03/30/2010 5:21:19 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (Warmists as "traffic light" apocalyptics: "Greens too yellow to admit they're really Reds."-Monckton)
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To: Candor7

Forcing you to turn over the green in your wallet is everything the Green Movement has always been about.


11 posted on 03/30/2010 5:22:22 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: IamConservative
Well DUH!

But when anyone who's not counted as one of their own tries to tell them anything, it's just part of a vast right-wing conspiracy paid for by Big Oil, and it's all Bush's fault.
12 posted on 03/30/2010 5:23:56 AM PDT by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay
And understood in its proper role, as one of many reasons why we should decarbonize the global economy, climate science can even help contribute to the case for taking such action.

Exactly how can the economy be "decarbonized"? The majority of all products bought and sold are carbon-based. The only "decarbonized" economy is a non-existent economy.

13 posted on 03/30/2010 5:26:31 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: RogerFGay

The Greenies are not going to like this. It would appear that the Climategate memos are finally causing the few untainted “Scientists” to try to save themselves by disassociating with the radical greens. Kind of like Bernie Madoff’s kids calling the FBI on him after they had lived the good life off the profits of his thefts for 20 years.


14 posted on 03/30/2010 5:28:36 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: RogerFGay

We lied for your own good, we got caught so now we’ll try another approach. Nevermind our lies. We still deserve attention. We are Yale.


15 posted on 03/30/2010 5:30:10 AM PDT by Brugmansian
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To: RogerFGay
What makes plants green? Carbon Dioxide.

Why do the greens want plants to starve?

16 posted on 03/30/2010 5:30:23 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: RogerFGay
"Climate science, even at its most uncontroversial, could never motivate the remaking of the entire global energy economy. Efforts to use climate science to threaten an apocalyptic future should we fail to embrace green proposals, and to characterize present-day natural disasters as terrifying previews of an impending day of reckoning, have only served to undermine the credibility of both climate science and progressive energy policy."

Well, well -- now we have it! It's not about science at all; it's about "remaking the entire global energy economy" through "progressive energy policy."

GREEN = RED, the new way to sell impressionable idealists on failed Communist policies. Many of us already knew it, but it's still surprising to see Comrades Nordhaus and Shellenberger climb out of their green camouflage and wave their red banners. Perhaps they believe the endgame is near...

17 posted on 03/30/2010 5:32:51 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: RogerFGay
When Gore stepped to the podium on this cr**, I remember Hillary saying that it was a way to get the young people involved which is another way of creating enviro nuts....

The problem is these SCHOOL kids don't realize their real part in all this: ask these kids to give up their wiis and phones, turn the TV off, walk to school, one pair of shoes, five pairs of socks, pizza once a month....

They're tools of politics...and they know sh**.

18 posted on 03/30/2010 5:39:23 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (What)
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To: RogerFGay
Thas right. Its a Brother and Sistah evengellical movement. Its histoic predecessor was the prohobition ovement that went around destroying breweries and distilleries based on emotion, and an over staement about social problems, and they had the same religious fervor. We just tolerated the for 15 years and then ignored them. .The Greenies are the same kind of people.Holier than thou know it alls without a shred of science to support them. When they come for my money, they will have to fight me for it.

If they take it, I will begin burning tires at night and cutting down every tree I can.

19 posted on 03/30/2010 5:40:00 AM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante upagainst the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: IamConservative
>.Beware the man who peddles doom and will provide you a solution upon receipt of your treasure...

This has been known for quite some time to the curmudgeonly. We have raised up a nation of fools.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

--H. L. Mencken

20 posted on 03/30/2010 5:41:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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