Posted on 03/30/2010 4:28:14 AM PDT by ejdrapes
The Hutaree militia and the rising risk of far-right violence By Eugene Robinson ....By contrast, there has been explosive growth among far-right, militia-type groups that identify themselves as white supremacists, "constitutionalists," tax protesters and religious soldiers determined to kill people to uphold "Christian" values. Most of the groups that posed a real danger, as the Hutaree allegedly did, have been infiltrated and dismantled by authorities before they could do any damage. But we should never forget that the worst act of domestic terrorism ever committed in this country was authored by a member of the government-hating right wing: Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. It is dishonest for right-wing commentators to insist on an equivalence that does not exist. The danger of political violence in this country comes overwhelmingly from one direction -- the right, not the left. The vitriolic, anti-government hate speech that is spewed on talk radio every day -- and, quite regularly, at Tea Party rallies -- is calibrated not to inform but to incite....
Tuesday, March 30, 2010
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
“In this country, even a majority does not have the right to oppress a political minority.”
Yes they do. We gave it to them with the Tobacco bans and it was celebrated by many a FReeper. (not you specifically.) The government never stops expanding it’s power and dominion over our lives.
1. Planning to overthrow the government isn’t protesting.
2. “throw off the government” doesn’t mean one particular president that we don’t like. It means the entire government of which this president is only one part. “long train of abuses and usurpations” should mean a lot longer than one president’s term.
If we have faith in our system of government overall we don’t go this overboard over one president. Our system has withstood a number of bad presidents and will again.
“2. “throw off the government” doesn’t mean one particular president that we don’t like. It means the entire government of which this president is only one part. “long train of abuses and usurpations” should mean a lot longer than one president’s term.”
It does mean a lot longer than this one president’s current term. Name for me an area of your life that is not intruded upon by the government. I’d say that long train of abuses goes back to my first memory.
“If we have faith in our system of government...”
I have no faith in our system of government. I am sick of government advancements into my life, all the while being cheered by the “free press.” At the same time I get demonized for wanting to be free.
They’ll get their media circus and try to brainwash the whole country into thinking Republicans are violent and then quietly dismiss the charges against them.
People tend to forget, or were too young to remember, that the OKC bombing got Clinton re-elected.
And McVeigh was executed in record time. Much more funny business with the building demolished quickly without full analysis of evidence, Iraqi/Moose involvement, even FBI entrapment/instigation operation gone wrong, etc. Not a conspiracy theorist type here but one can’t completely rule out a Reichstaag fire type operation.
Clinton was a masterful strategist and even got Rush Limbaugh, talk radio blamed for the atrocity. Republicans did their usual tail tucked-between-their-legs routine that you see today when Rats make bogus accusations of racism.
The democrat party wants socialism with a religious fervor. I put nothing beyond them. For the true believing followers of Alinsky like Obama, the end justifies the means.
This article bookends the Rich NTY article.
Both are intended to demonize anyone who doesn’t feel that it is governments place to own and run banks, insurance, car companies, and the entire medical industry.
IOW, if you do not have unwavering devotion to the The State, you are an enemy of The State, and will be demonized.
See Germany, 1930s.
Conspiracy to kill anyone is illegal. However, when you read the article it isn’t evident, especially the first news releases. All read is white conservative Christain males, and how they belong to a militia. The way many of the articles regarding this story are written, seem to hold white conservative gun holding Christain males in utter contempt. Basically a complete racial profile, and they seem to tie it in with tea parties.
The articles regarding this story seem to focus more on the media’s prejudice against white conservative Christain males, rather than the actual facts of the case.
The liberal media keeps focusing their attention on their prejucide against white American men, rather than the actual Federal case.
Unlike some, I don’t expect early stories about breaking news to be comprehensive and accurate. When all the reporters knew was the identity of those apprehended, but not the why, all we got was identity - go figure. In this case, the only meaningful description was their religious & military affinity, so that’s what we heard.
...and, like many posters here and elsewhere, those talking most about breaking news have a high chance of holding those involved in utter contempt, tying the incident to whatever group they despise.
I read the yahoo article and a few hundred of their comments regarding this article. It is scary what many people think of conservatives. Many of their posters linked this militia group to Sarah Palin, Rush and Beck.
It is unrealistic to expect the first reports to be full of details. I just pray these men get a fair trial, like any other American, when and if they are brought up on actual charges.
I love how constitutionalists and tax protesters are grouped right in there with white supremacists.
Yep. Soon we will see an article (or a hundred) about how Michelle is having to stay up nights comforting little Malia and Sasha because of their nightmares about the “right wing whackos who want to kill their daddy.”
From Mike Vanderboegh, Sipsey Street Irregulars:
Hutaree Raid:
An extremely well-executed federal operation aimed at the threat represented by the revitalized militia & Oath Keepers.
As a powerful political counter-stroke it was masterful. You have to give them credit. Putting a provocateur into a group of not-very-well wrapped Millennialists (see Churchill, To Shake Their Guns in the Tyrants Face) and assisting them to:
a. build and distribute pipe bombs and
b. talk about plots to kill cops that involve killing innocents, family members, etc.,
was well thought out, perfectly targeted, craftily planned, brilliantly executed and impeccably timed.
I realized this when I was outside talking to the three cops who showed up at my door to collect the birdshit Easter card. To begin with, the phone rang. Would I please meet the officer outside? Sure.
So I walked out in my shirtsleeves, thinking I would simply hand the guy (remember, I had been told they would send one officer) the ziplock bag, fill out a report, and then could go turn in after a very exhausting day.
I wasn’t even off the porch before I understood something very different was going on here. Three deputies, not one. Spread out, hands on weapons, bright light in my face, commanding me to come to them. It was so ludicrous I laughed and said, “What? You want me to put my hands in the air?”
They didn’t but they weren’t laughing either.
Look, I told them, I just called you guys because that’s what the Coroner’s Office told me to do. They were tense as hell. Two of them knew me from local Pinson events, political and otherwise. The other, the one with the least experience, was the most obviously nervous and he’s the one who approached from the side always training the light in my eyes.
So, after I get them calmed down and explain what is going on, it becomes obvious that they are concerned that I am a maddog militiaman. The Hutaree business was fresh in their minds. “Christian militia.” “Kill cops at the funeral.”
They’re “militia.” I’m “militia.” I actually think they expected me to defend the assholes. As we had some time before the fire department trucks got there (and then they decided they weren’t equipped to handle the situation so they asked for HAZMAT backup), I started talking about the many death threats I have had over the years and about my belief that it is better to be despised by the despicable than admired by the admirable. We talked about death threats in 90s, and my ever expanding list of enemies. I told them about how the FBI had been letting certain neoNazi terrorists run free back then, and how we — the constitutional militia — embarrassed them finally into arresting the pukes. I told them how we worked with state and local law enforcement to prevent racist-terrorist initiated clouds of pink mist here and across the country.
They just kept coming back to the Hutaree.
And it wasn’t, I sensed, merely because it had just happened. The details of the thing as reported in the media and passed along by “cop telegraph” — based entirely on the word of a federal provacateur at this point — had seized their imaginations. “Christian Militia.” “Assassinating a police officer.” “Mass killing of cops’ families at a funeral.” “At a FUNERAL.”
“Militiaman” = “Cop killer” As obvious as two plus two.
For the Imperial Feds, this was a propaganda coup of the tenth order of magnitude.
For this wasn’t really about the Hutaree. It was about the revitalized constitutional militia movement and Oath Keepers. It may not have started out to be, when they began their operation against the Hutaree back in 2008, but at some point along the line, I’ll bet, somebody saw the opportunity and took it.
Based upon the nervousness, fear and hatred of the Feds for Oath Keepers (as evidenced by the number and frequency of their verbal attacks on it), we knew that at some point they were going to feel compelled to get serious about dealing with the threat OK posed to their strategic certainty. (That is, “if I issue this tyrannical order, will these people carry it out — or turn on me?”)
Gentlemen and ladies, you just witnessed the seriousness of their intent to discredit Oath Keepers. The Hutaree meme strikes at the seam between the military and police who are attracted by the Oath Keepers’ simple message, and the armed citizenry who are their natural allies in supporting and defending the Constitution and in the maintenance of order in society as a whole.
The Hutaree, apparently useful idiots to a man, may indeed not be guilty of what they are charged. It does not matter. Even if all the charges are later expoosed to be the fevered imaginings of snitches and provocateurs (and I don’t think they will be), the Feds have reaped an incalculable benefit from the exercise.
They have, in the minds of every cop in America, equated the word “militia” with the word “cop killer.”
From now on, every cop will approach us with that in mind. Every conversation about militia will have to deal with the Hutaree first. The Feds have put us all on the ideological defensive. The fact that it enunciates a lie does not matter. People will “know” from now on that all militiamen and women are copkillers.
Brilliant. You must give them credit. It was brilliant.
NOTE: Vanderboegh is a vocal opponent of the takeover of our lives by the federal government. He has been the target of many death threats. Most recently, he recieved an Easter card with an unknown substance inside.
“Well if their thoughs were about killing cops I don’t think they are the same as the Founding Fathers”
I am not condoning the killing of cops or anything, although I’m also not condemning their actions yet. However, I did want to point out that your statement is a little misleading. Our founders DID actually support killing of the “cops” of their day. Remember the Boston Massacre? British troops often patrolled the harbors and cities as the crown-designated police force, which maintained authority over the local law enforcement authorities. These troops often abused their positions or enforced unjust laws (taxes, etc.), which eventually led to our revolt.
Again, I’m not condoning the killing of any of our troops or law enforcement officers/agents, but if a CWII or a revolution becomes necessary, these cops/troops are either gonna be with us or against us and we may be forced to follow in the footsteps of our founders. Many of these officer/agents and troop are oatkeepers, but many only love the power of their position and do not feel bound by the Constitution.
Beginning?
No doubt.
And he’s a racist that sees the government as the vehicle through which to impose his racism on those he hates.
Eric Holder's goons had to go out and make an example of a right-wing group so they concocted this story.
They also have to have a Christian grop to demonize so that their arrests of Terrorist Muslims is "fair and balanced."
I think this is all a ruse, and these Militia groups face huge legal costs for nothing.
It also serves to intimidate the Right.
Agreed. I smell a very convenient set up.
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