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The Crisis: Was Obama's confrontation with Israel premeditated?
The New Republic ^ | 3/16/2010 | Yossi Klein Halevi

Posted on 03/17/2010 11:59:05 AM PDT by Blackyce

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To: Blackyce

I believe we’re seeing the first stage of Obama’s inevitable abandonment of Israel. This is gonna end very badly for us. God’s promise to bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse her, is still very much in effect. For those interested in this issue, I recommend a book called AS AMERICA HAS DONE TO ISRAEL. The correlation between things that happen in this country at the same time we are interacting with Israel, is rather stunning.

MM


21 posted on 03/17/2010 1:06:04 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Blackyce; Fred Nerks

The politics of crisis.

Some crisises are planned, others are used to plan.Some are created, some just happen.

The Obama Junta is a study in crisis creation/exploitation and its asscoiated politics of desperation and fascism.


22 posted on 03/17/2010 1:25:27 PM PDT by Candor7 (Now's the time to ante up against the Obama Fascist Junta ( member NRA))
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To: CincyRichieRich

Yes the people around him live in that bubble. Plus the ones that don’t use his weakness as a weapon to further their agenda.


23 posted on 03/17/2010 2:12:57 PM PDT by Marty62 ( Marty62)
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To: Blackyce

Call it what it is, the Obama Intifada.


24 posted on 03/17/2010 3:51:09 PM PDT by bsaunders
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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Yes it was premeditated. The timing of the Israeli anouncement was stupid, heads should roll but that doesn't happen in a parliamentary system.

But there was nothing new here. You might recall the "negotiations" to fix the palestinian refusal to sit down and negotiate. The palestinians required a halt to construction everywhere. Israel counterd with requests of their own, that the palestinians fulfill their responsibilies agreed to in the Oslo accords to acknowledge Israel's right to exist by amending their charter, and cease incitement. Naturally they refused those unreasonable requests.

The diplomatically talented George Mitchell cut a deal, Israel would agree to a 10 month pause in construction in the West Bank, but not in Jerusalem. The palestinians would do nothing at all. Great work, George, presuming you're the palestinian negotiator.

Israel agreed to talks, the palestinians refused and eventually George cut a deal, with the palestinians, to "host" parallel negotiations.

Unless everyone in the Obama administration is stupid, they knew Israel was going to continue to build in Jerusalem, and given the immediate response of their "heavy guns", God save America if this is our best, Clinton, Mitchell and The One itself, it's reasonable to assume they were waiting for an opportunity.

Which they flubbed.

Israel's anouncement was a mistake, Biden might have been able to take advantage of it, but was too busy pouting before dinner.

25 posted on 03/17/2010 3:55:10 PM PDT by SJackson (Barack Obama went to Harvard and became an educated fool. Rep. Bobby Rush)
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To: kiltie65

See my tagline.


26 posted on 03/17/2010 4:20:43 PM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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To: Blackyce

Anyone know anything about this interesting comment?

What really triggered US-Israel crisis?
DEBKAfile DEBKA-Net-Weekly March 16, 2010, 12:28 PM (GMT+02:00)Tags: Iran nuclear Israel Obama

Start of the US-Israel crisisThe fire was first set in the Persian Gulf in December 2009 - long before Vice President Joe Biden took offense over Israel’s announcement of 1,600 new homes for East Jerusalem.
In its next issue out Friday, DEBKA-Net-Weekly discloses the trouble simmered under the surface after President Barack Obama abruptly shut down a secret US-Israel cooperative project against Iran going strong for two years.
Don’t miss exclusive revelations about this project and the aftermath of its demise.


27 posted on 03/17/2010 5:03:02 PM PDT by tired&retired
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To: SpinnerWebb
Yes it is and it is something I fear. I think there are now enough countries not just ours that have such disgust and frustration at the Resident that anyone could be kooky enough to try something and the outcome could be just devastating. The turmoil in the world would be hard to harness. It is frightening but looking at history be it in the US or Europe over the decades and generations and terrible things have happened as a result. Example: WW I.
28 posted on 03/17/2010 5:30:19 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: Blackyce

BTTT


29 posted on 03/17/2010 5:36:03 PM PDT by hattend (The era of John McCain is over, the era of Ronald Reagan is back! Go Sarah Go!)
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To: Blackyce
If Israel was about to bomb Iranian nuke sites, it might serve to prevent Muslim retaliation against America for the Israeli attack if the US made a very noisy break with Israel before the their attack on Iran. It would at least provide a level of plausible deniability - temporary and situational, yes, but deniability nonetheless.

Just a thought.

30 posted on 03/17/2010 7:49:19 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on it's own.)
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To: ravingnutter

Rahm Emanuel’s father was a member of the Irgun, fighting for Israeli independence.

Rahm was a ballerina.

His brother Dr. Ezekial Emanuel should be nicknamed “Dr Mengele”, the Nazi assigner of life or death (Mengele almost killed a late friend of mine but passed over on chosing her for experiments when he found out that she wasn’t a twin. Susie’s sister, and lookalike, her mother, and other members of the family died in Auschwitz. Only Susie survived).

Another brother is a Hollywood agent. Might not hold that against him since it is a legitimate job. Just wonder who he represents?

Axelrod. A lot of questions about whether his mother Myril worked for a Communist Party dominated publication “PM” magazine.

Nothing known about his father, who committed suicide at a rather young age.

However, Axelrod’s two political mentors, David S. Cantor and Don Rose were/are reds. Cantor took the Fifth when asked about his CP membership before HCUA. He was also a registered (and at times, illegal) agent for the Soviet Union in importing Soviet publications (both legit and propaganda). His partner, LeRoy Wolins, has been a lifelong red and still is.

Rose has admitted that his communist ties go back to the late 1940’s and the Progressive Party/Wallace movement (controlled by the CPUSA). He also has a significant list of CPUSA congressionally identified fronts and united fronts to his credit list.

PS: Cantor “knew” Barack Obama, but just how “much” is not known.

Birds of a feather crap all over each other.


31 posted on 03/17/2010 9:37:11 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Thank you MadMax for the excellent information... I plan to follow up on a few of these tidbits.


32 posted on 03/18/2010 1:52:57 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: Blackyce
Was Obama's confrontation with Israel premeditated?

...was Odumbo a Muslim before he became the President? Were we told not to use his middle name during the campaign and then have him choose to (yes, Presidents get to choose to use middle names)during his oath of office?

33 posted on 03/18/2010 4:42:32 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: jazminerose

“When Iran accelerates its nuclear weapons program, Obama, Biden and Hillary show infinite patience. They extend the hand of ‘friendship’ over and over, even when Ahmedinejad’s response is to slap us in the face. But when Israel goes forward with authorizing new housing units for its own citizens in its own capital, suddenly the Obama administration declares diplomatic war.”

That pretty much says it all....


34 posted on 03/18/2010 5:36:33 AM PDT by 3722535r
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To: Oldpuppymax

“In case you haven’t figured it out, these are people with whom you CANNOT reason, negotiate or bargain.”

I watch the IBA news and viewing the unrest by the young Palestinians throwing rocks, bottles, and anything they can get their hands on clearly shows there is no way to appease muslim fanatics......They have a strong spirit of hatred for the Jewish nation and people......


35 posted on 03/18/2010 5:46:10 AM PDT by 3722535r
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Gee, y'think?

The leftwing fascists have always claimed that the US just needed to put pressure on Israel. Obama has shown the US has no leverage when it comes to pushing Israel toward extinction -- they will ignore "pressure", and will fight back.

By trying this approach, Zero has guaranteed a war, and not just an intifada, a real live shootin' war. It'll start when Iran's proxies are ready for it, or when Iran's nuclear weapons facilities are taken out (that event will push the proxies into it ready or not), whichever comes first.
36 posted on 03/18/2010 4:46:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (http://themagicnegro.com/)
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