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You can’t win hearts, minds of radical Islam
NY Post ^ | March 6, 2010 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 03/07/2010 12:53:47 PM PST by Scanian

good first step in waging war is to figure out why your enemy is fighting. For over eight years, we've refused to do that in Afghanistan. In the recent Marine offensive against the Taliban in Marjah, this resulted in a clear geographical objective, but a vague pacification mission targeting a stick-figure enemy. Tactical success is built on strategic quicksand.

We're mired in Afghanistan because successive administrations in Washington have conflated the hayseed Taliban with al Qaeda's cosmopolitans. These organizations have different ethnic compositions and profoundly different goals: The first is a regional actor with local aspirations, and the latter an international force with global ambitions. Instead of exploiting the differences between them, our policies encourage them to cooperate.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; alqaeda; muslims; taliban

1 posted on 03/07/2010 12:53:48 PM PST by Scanian
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To: Scanian

They have no hearts, and definetly no minds.


2 posted on 03/07/2010 1:12:40 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Scanian
We're mired in Afghanistan because successive administrations in Washington have conflated the hayseed Taliban with al Qaeda's cosmopolitans.

Completely wrong.

You're mired because no administration - not the Busch admin, not the current one, not the Clinton administration, nor for that matter any other administration globally - can admit to what islam is.

Islam is a system of genocide that has been conducting the same war against all that is not islam for more than a milennium. It cannot be reasoned with, won over, or co-opted. It can only be eradicated, or it will eradicate humanity.

3 posted on 03/07/2010 1:12:45 PM PST by Hardraade
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To: mountn man

Yes, the mindlessness is institutionalized....and,...”You Can’t Win Hearts, Minds of Radical Islam”...that’s because “radical Islam” is...CENTRAL to Islam. Jihad is central to Islam. As Erdogan of Turkey stated not too long ago...”Islam is only Islam” making the point that Western concepts contriving “understanding” of Islam are illegitimate. Best to take him at his word.


4 posted on 03/07/2010 1:19:40 PM PST by givemELL (Does Taiwan Meet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: Scanian

“RADICAL” has nothing to do with it. Mohammed created a “religion” which taught its followers to kill anyone who stood in their way, steal all of their stuff, sell their families into slavery, practice pedophilia and bow down to the biggest psycho on the block. PERIOD! Now which hearts and minds do you want to “influence”...the killers, the thieves or the pedophiles?


5 posted on 03/07/2010 1:20:17 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Scanian
For over eight years, we've refused to do that in Afghanistan.

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? They've done nothing but tell us why they're fighting: We're not Islamic, we don't share their values, they don't like our support of Israel.

A bunch of liberals in Washington and New York aren't listening to these people any more than they're listening to the voter base in the US. But that's not our fault.
6 posted on 03/07/2010 1:29:44 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Hardraade

The author makes precisely this point. He also distinguishes between the indigenous Taliban and the internationalist Al Queda. The point is well made and has been for years. Terrorists are waging a religious war. We are waging an economic war. We will not win this war until it becomes a war between Mohammad and Christ. And since we will never wage a Christian war we will never win this war.


7 posted on 03/07/2010 1:38:22 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Scanian
You can’t win hearts, minds of radical Islam

There.
Fixed it for you.

"We're at war with Islam.
"We're gonna be at war for the next 30 years; we're afraid to call them muslim islamic terrorists. We'll call them anything but --because we don't want to alienate muslim countries.

"That's ridiculous!

"Of course the vast majority of muslims --there are a billion, four hundred million -- are not terrorists, but there are hundreds of million who are!

They want to kill every Christian, every Jew, every Hindu who won't convert.
And we ought to put that on the table.
--- Ex-NYC Mayor Ed Koch - On Hannity, Jan 7, 2010

8 posted on 03/07/2010 1:57:43 PM PST by Publius6961 (You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do)
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To: Amos the Prophet
Terrorists are waging a religious war. We are waging an economic war.

Sigh. Wrong again.

There is nothing religious about islam. Islam is a political system for allowing its adherents to kill. You will not get a muslim to give you any recognizable description of allah, ever. The closest you may come is a sort of deified hate.

In the final analysis, the war of islam is a war between nonhuman and human. Stark, but there it is.

9 posted on 03/07/2010 2:39:36 PM PST by Hardraade
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To: Scanian
Screw hearts, and minds, kick their ass'.

5.56mm

10 posted on 03/07/2010 2:42:22 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Amos the Prophet
We will not win this war until it becomes a war between Mohammad and Christ. And since we will never wage a Christian war we will never win this war.

Ann Coulter had the solution even before we went into Afghanistan but right after 9/11. She said, "We should invade their country, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Ralph Peters has a similar observation:

On the contrary, over two millennia of religious revolts tells us that fanatic uprisings can only be subdued by killing the true believers.

11 posted on 03/08/2010 3:34:48 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government)
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To: Hardraade
Your comment displays no cognizance of basic tenets of Islam.
There is no description of Allah possible. Allah is NEVER portrayed or described, ever, in the Koran or elsewhere in Islam culture. To do so is apostasy.
Islam is theocratic, a political religion.
Islam is inhuman, absolutely. Its antithesis is not democracy, but the Judeo/Christian tradition. It was born in that cauldron and remains today a stalwart enemy of Judaism and Christianity.
12 posted on 03/08/2010 8:46:38 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (He is the son of soulless slavers, not the son of soulful slaves.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
Your comment displays no cognizance of basic tenets of Islam.

And then you use the rest of your post agreeing with me.

Actually, there are no basic tenets in islam save for what kills anything that is not of the branch of islam that the believer conveniently sits on.

Talking about basic tenets of islam shows as much ignorance as that "expert" recently, from Galtung's Peace Research Institute, who claimed that Iran would never build a nuke, because islam forbids weapons of mass destruction. That is the kind which will get us all killed eventually.

13 posted on 03/08/2010 9:29:56 AM PST by Hardraade
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To: Scanian

There is no such thing as radical Islam, Islam form inception has be design to be inherently radical in on of itself.


14 posted on 03/08/2010 9:31:50 AM PST by montyspython ("I don't believe in 'no win' scenarios." - James T. Kirk)
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To: Publius6961; Hardraade; AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; ...

thanks!


15 posted on 03/08/2010 12:04:42 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Freedom is Priceless.)
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