Posted on 02/17/2010 3:21:44 PM PST by AAABEST
OAKLAND A You Tube video showing a fight between two AC Transit bus riders has ignited a flurry of online debates about violence, race and the safety of public transit.
The video, which shows an older white man exchanging blows with a younger black man, is attracting hundreds of thousands of hits.
The fight took place Tuesday afternoon on a bus in downtown Oakland, near the corner of Harrison and Webster streets.
We will update this story when further details are available.
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BTW, at my house, using the “N-word” gets you in serious trouble.
Having said that, “incidents” such as this insure the word and stereotype will never go away...
I hope you have no wife or daughters.
Just a little humor; try it sometime. (There; I made a command; feel better?)
If the old man or the black guy had pulled out a gun and started shooting the passengers, they likely would have sat passively while they were methodically executed one by one.
A nation of sheep. That's what we've become.
True enough. I agree. I most likely would have went with de-escalation myself, unless I just didn't feel like putting up with crap on that particular day. Also as you and others have pointed out, Epic Beard Guy isn't exactly a paragon of a virtuous citizenship.
That said, you don't get to assault someone because of a verbal altercation. Once you become physically violent, all bets are off at that point.
Growing up in New York, I've had much worse experiences with this type of element that pervades public transportation. My cousin an I were nearly killed once on a NYC subway.
If there were more Epic Beard Guys out there, there would be less of the scumbag types that would assault him, or assault someone else less capable of defending himself.
Run away Sir Robin.....
What do you do if that doesn't work?
My posts are about not provoking/antagonizing in the first place. If I was attacked without provocation, I would defend myself.
I believe that anyone reading this thread should reasonably understand that my comment wasn't intended towards you.
The poster made a comment implying that none of the violence of WWII was justified and the lives sacrificed by American Soldiers were meaningless.
Self defense is righteous and requires violence.
I think George Wallace, the comedian. said it best with his punchline “He needs his ass kicked”. There are lot of people who need their ass kicked IMHO.
“The poster made a comment implying that none of the violence of WWII was justified and the lives sacrificed by American Soldiers were meaningless.”
That is your interpretation, sir. What I said was:
To: Balding_Eagle
WWII, Hitler.
This is an incredible stretch but, okay, who won in WWII? (Whatever your answer is, explain it to the masses of slain soldiers.)
42 posted on Wednesday, February 17, 2010 5:06:25 PM by muglywump (Seven days without laughter makes one weak.)
My comment was in regards to my previous statement that “there are only losers when people turn to violence.” We, the USA, the world, lost lives. The key word here is ‘lost’. This is what happens when people turn to violence.
TRANSCRIPT:
Black man:
AC Transit
White man: Lets get back to business. How much you charge me for a spit-shine?
Black man: what?
White man: How much you charge me for my Stacy Adams? Im going to a funeral on Friday
You said you
[note: Stacy Adams are a brand of shoe.]
Black man: Did you get what I said just now?
White man: Yes
Black man: Whyd a brother gotta spit-shine your shoes?
White man: You offered!
Black man: I didnt offer you shit.
White man: Whatd you just say when you walked by me?
Black man: I said why, why a fuckin brother gotta spit-shine your shoes?
White man: You dont have to!
Black man: Why a white man cant spit-shine
White man: [interrupting] It could be a Chinaman! It dont matter!
Black man: Look dude
White man: I aint prejudice! What? You think Im prejudice!
Black man: [pointing toward front of bus] Take your ass back up there and get the fuck out my face right now.
White man: Why you being so hostile, man?
Black man: Cause. Im pissed off.
White man: Well its better to be pissed off than pissed on.
Black man: Take your ass up there right now
White man: [standing to go to the front] You aint scarin this white boy. Im 67 years old. You aint scarin me. You aint scarin me.
Black man: [now, also standing] Im 50.
White man: You aint scared of me. You aint scarin me.
Black man: Ill put my foot up your ass.
Older white man: No you wont! No you wont!
Another passenger makes remarks. The white man moves to the front of the bus as the two exchange threats to whoop each others asses.
White man: You wont do nothin to me! [then something unintelligible]
Black man: Say it again! [then something unintelligible as woman who was filming talks over him]
Iyanna Washington: Say it again! Say it again, Pinky!
The black man begins walking to the front of the bus.
Someone off camera whom many allege is Iyanna Washington: Beat his white ass! Whoop his ass!
Another passenger: Leave him alone!
The two men seem to be speaking to one another at the front of the bus, but cannot be heard over the noise from the rest of the passengers.
Iyanna Washington: It aint worth it, blood, it aint worth it.
The black man begins walking back to his seat as other passengers continue to comment.
Black man: Id put my foot up your ass.
White man: I see tough guys like you and I slap the shit out of them.
Black man: What?!
Another passenger: Stop it!
The black man walks to the front again to continue the confrontation.
At 1:40, the black guy lunges at the white guy, appearing to either shove or strike him in the chest, but the blow is mostly deflected by the white guys arm.
The white man stands up and punches him in the face repeatedly. At least 9 punches can be seen, then the camera moves too much to get a clear view.
At 1:51 the black man can be seen shielding his face.
White man: Dont fuck with me! He hit me! He fuckin hit me!
As can be seen earlier in the video, the black man attempted to shove him, but did not hit him.
The old white man exits the bus.
White man: He fuckin hit me first! He hit me in the face! [unintelligible] self defense!
At 2:07, blood spatter is visible on the seats of the bus.
At 2:22 Iyanna picks up a bag left by the old man.
Iyanna: Open that shit! laughs
Various passengers comment on what theyve witnessed.
Iyanna: We can press charges, blood. I got in on videotape. Hes leakin.
Black man: That motherfucker hit me. No no no no no.
Another passenger: Did he break your teeth?
Black man: No. Bring an amb-lance.
Because of the mans bleeding, injured face, his pronunciation of the word Ambulance has been misheard by many as either bring M&Ms or bring amber lamps. Both variants were turned into image macros.
Then there are some more remarks from various passengers, and the scene ends with a shot of a bench reading Keep our city clean & safe. Do your part.
Good point. I agree.
Iyanna VIDEO “public apology”/old guys stolen bad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbsX5j-8T3Y&feature=player_embedded#
The black guy should have kept his seat. His girlfriends should have kept their mouths shut.
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