Posted on 02/12/2010 9:29:51 AM PST by Sparky1776
“As of now I support Sholley but I’m hoping Brown, others can knock off Barney in the primary first.”
We will be facing Barney Frank in the general election, unless he is caught in bed with a dead boy or a live girl. : )
“Do you seriously think that a LaRoushite can possibly come close to beating Barney Frank.....”
This year who knows?
The more Democrats that run the more Barney has to defend his record (from all sides)...which he seldom (never?) has had to do in the past. It’s a good thing.
I’m hoping for Sholley to win after a nasty Democratic primary regardless of that outcome. Do you think Barney has a “better” record than Coakley?
People are READY for a change.
ROTFLMAO!!!
Why help the Democrats pull off a Dodd-for-Blumenthal switch? She’s a LaRouchean. While I admire LaRouche’s willingness to criticize other Democrats, the LaRoucheans are all madly in love with Big Government. No thanks!
I don’t Mrs Roberts, I sent an e-mail to the Mass GOP a few days ago to request that they list all their candidates in Mass (with brief bios) on their website. No reply to date.
The Plymouth County GOP has a pretty good site and some info on their’s. I’m making a list though, so who’s running against Neal?
Dangus, who do you think Sholley would have a better chance against, Frank or Rachel Brown?
A wounded Frank that faced a Democrat or two in his own primary or one that saved all his money against Sholley?
Again, I’m not asking anyone to support her or send money just getting the word out that for a change he is facing opposition from his own party...and that there may be more candidates jumping in.
Frank, absolutely. Let me rephrase the question: Who do you think Sholley would have a better chance against, a scandal-tarred national laughingstock, or someone who can still define herself in the absurdly compliant media? If Frank goes negative on Brown, it’s conceivable he’ll use up some capital, but Campaigning For Dummies 101 says that his primary expenditures will be for repairing his own image. An incumbent cannot expend credibility going negative on a primary challenger unless he’s confident he won’t need to go negative in the general.
Meanwhile, you could have at least have included in the title “(Democratic Nomination against Frank)”
Lyndon LaRouche is the all-time king of conspiracy peddling. He’s run for the Democratic nomination for president about a dozen times, several times from behind bars. (A number of former Attorney Generals, including Republican appointees, have questioned whether his imprisonment is just, or merely for “political crimes.”) He had Reagan’s ear as a liberal anti-communist in the early 1980s and has some good outside-the-box ideas, but mostly no longer even controls his own organization. Instead, a band of crazed cultists (and I mean that) uses his name to publish any manner of conspiracy theories and bizarre yet “urgent” policy stands, such as building maglev trains all over Africa. Usually, such positions are wrapped in deliberately obscure political references so as to amaze the followers with the brilliance behind them.
He’s nailed several issues, such as the break-up of Yugoslavia, and, in his followers’ minds, the collapse of the financial system. (The broken clock was stopped at 3:17, but eventually it actually was 3:17.) He yammers incessantly about Breton Woods. He may actually be a brilliant analyst, but his movement and his perspective have been totally demolished by the events of the last 20 years.
I think that having a lot of Democrats attacking Frank in the primary may help soften him up for the general, but he’s not going to lose the primary. He will be the RAT nominee in November unless he resigns due to scandal (and, as you know, Frank isn’t the type to resign in the face of scandal).
As for our chances in the general election, they are far worse than Brown’s were in the Senate race, given that (i) the MA-04 is at least 5% more Democrat than the state as a whole, (ii) unlike Coakley, Barney Frank is a smart guy and an able politician, and (iii) what are the odds that whoever runs for the GOP against Frank will be anywhere near as charismatic or sharp as Scott Brown is?
I’m not saying that we should write off the seat, I’m merely saying that we shouldn’t be fooling ourselves into believing that it is anything other than a long-shot. We have a far better chance of winning against Delahunt in MA-10, Tierney in MA-06, Tsongas in MA-05 and McGovern in MA-03.
While your argument is probably spot-on in most races, in the particular case in which the “scandal-tarred national laughing stock” is Barney Frank, and the unknown that can still define herself is a LaRouchite, the Republican would have a far better chance of beating the LaRouchite. Barney Frank is one tough SOB and beating him in the general election in that district (which includes Brookline and Newton) won’t be easy even if we had a first-tier candidate, much less with a second- or third-tier candidate.
Good Lord. It is criminal when a Larouchie even sounds preferable to a sitting Democrat.
That is how far they have fallen since the 1960’s.
Which all the more argues that if Brown can beat Frank, then a Republican can beat Frank. Besides, my main problem was that the main article seemed to be pushing FReepers to support Rachel Brown for Congress. I’d’ve had no problem if the title’s clarification simply included the fact that Rachel was also a liberal Democrat.
“so who’s running against Neal?”
Tom Wesley from Hopedale and I don’t know the other guy’s name. I heard Wesley on WTAG radio in Worcester the other day and want to know more about him and the other candidate. I can’t research the other candidate until I get a name.
Update:
http://tommydevine.blogspot.com/2009/11/neals-challengers.html
I think this is what you are looking for Mrs Roberts.
“seemed to be pushing FReepers to support Rachel Brown for Congress.”
Nothing could be further from the truth. All one had to do is read down to the very NEXT sentence to read in plain English this:
“Hi, I’m Rachel Brown and I’m running in Massachusetts’ 4th Congressional district, against Barney Frank in the DEMOCRATIC Primary.”
Beyond that I believe posting rules require the title as published to be posted which I did and then added (Massachusetts 4th Congressional).
Furthermore one could check out my profile to see where I’m coming from or simply read the entire thread if in doubt.
To date I’ve posted two live threads concerning Earl Sholley’s podcasts, and this one concerning Frank’s Democratic opponent - personally I think I’m the only one to date posting about the 4th Congressional race on a regular basis, and I’ve pinged all 600 members of the Mass locale.
I’m not hiding anything, I’m reporting.
I agree the if Brown can beat Frank in the primary then a Republican can beat Frank in the general. My point is that Brown can’t bear Frank in the primary, but than a Republican actually has a chance to beat him in the general (although not a very good chance, and certainly not the decent chance that a Republican would have against Brown. That’s my honest assessment of the situation; I could be wrong.
“Delahunt in MA-10, Tierney in MA-06, Tsongas in MA-05 and McGovern in MA-03.”
Bill Hudak is running against Tierney in the 6th. Already have a bumper sticker on the car. He ran last time and did ok for an initial run. He lent Scott Brown his campaign office in Danvers so I would assume later on he will endorse Hudak. IIRC Brown carried the 6th. Lynn and Salem only went 53-47 for Marcia.
Who is running against Comrade McGovern? His district went big for Brown, no?
Don’t know who’s running against McGovern in the MA-03. I hope that Peter Blute runs.
And, yes, Brown carried the MA-06, and Hudak seems to be a terrific candidate, and last I heard he had raised as much money as Tierney.
If I suspected your intent was to elect a liberal, I would have called in Admin Moderators. No accusation was intended; I only meant to suggest a way you might have run less of a risk of sounding like you were promoting her candidacy.
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