1 posted on
01/02/2010 9:42:42 AM PST by
Steelfish
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; muawiyah; decimon; sonofstrangelove; Quix
To: Steelfish
Ya have to hand it to Pope Innocent—at least HE knew who the evil guys are. Our poser is just one of them.
3 posted on
01/02/2010 9:45:38 AM PST by
freeangel
( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
To: Steelfish
Just read a history of the Mongols and this played an important part of that story.
Rather common occurrence throughout history. I remember reading of a King in central Africa who wanted Queen Victoria to come and bow to him.
4 posted on
01/02/2010 9:48:45 AM PST by
Conan the Librarian
(The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
To: Steelfish
5 posted on
01/02/2010 9:48:56 AM PST by
SonOfDarkSkies
(Al Qaeda only hijacked commercial aircraft...Obama hijacked the White House!)
To: Steelfish
And the Pope replied,
"Don't make me go Conan on you!"
6 posted on
01/02/2010 9:49:16 AM PST by
bondserv
(God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. †)
To: Steelfish; Petronski; MarkBsnr; wagglebee
Just watching the clock to see how long it will take to turn this into another Catholic bashing thread......
To: Steelfish
Um...Kublai Khan was not a Muslim. The Mongols were not Muslim!
8 posted on
01/02/2010 9:51:45 AM PST by
Tamar1973
(Freedom of the Press?! I need Freedom FROM THE PRESS!)
To: Steelfish
Wonder if it includes the papal correspondence authorizing the capture and death of the Templars?
9 posted on
01/02/2010 9:54:25 AM PST by
bert
(K.E. N.P. +12 . What ever I do is what shall be)
To: All
12 posted on
01/02/2010 9:56:56 AM PST by
BlessedBeGod
(New Wizard of Oz: Pelosi as the Wicked Witch of the West & Michelle as the Wicked Witch of the East.)
To: Steelfish
from the article:
In 1863 Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederate States, wrote to Pope Pius IX claiming that the civil war raging across America was entirely due to Northern aggression. The article fails to mention the Vatican donated a million dollars to the Confederates.
13 posted on
01/02/2010 9:59:42 AM PST by
aimhigh
To: Steelfish
Khan's grandson wanted the Pope to come to Asia. It says nothing about "Muslims." My recollection is that Islam would have been 200 years old, or less-- still in its formative years.
This is a very interesting article. I just don't understand the exclamation mark in your title. Even if your addition to the title were accurate, so what? It's 750 years ago, +/-.
To: Steelfish
Vatican Reveals Secret Archives [Genghis Khan's Grandson Demanded Pope Pay Homage To Muslims!]
Guyuk wasn't Muslim. None of Genghis Khan's grandsons were Muslim.
To: Steelfish
Great, another reason to attack the Pope for being evil.
To: Steelfish
Are you sure they were Muslim at that point?
To: Steelfish
I think your addition to the headline is inaccurate. Guyuk Khan had the Mongol Empress Torgene’s Muslim supporters within the Mongol court executed, and his successor in China was Kublai Khan, who sent a Nestorian Christian monk to the West to propose an alliance between the Mongols (who by then were majority Buddhist with Christian and shamanist minorities) and the Christians against Islam.
26 posted on
01/02/2010 11:04:41 AM PST by
The_Reader_David
(And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
To: Steelfish
To put this letter into context, it should be noted that it was a Mongol habit to write such letters, demanding tribute—or else. The usual “or else” was that they would conquer the city in question, kill everyone inside the walls, and make a big pile of heads.
It was their version of an offer you cannot refuse.
27 posted on
01/02/2010 11:13:38 AM PST by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Steelfish
As others have noted, Guyuk was not a Muslim. In fact, his father had him educated by Christians and Taoists, and he was reportedly baptised as a Christian.
To: Steelfish
"The book documents the Roman Catholic Churchs often hostile dealings with the world of science and the arts..."No bias here. /sarc
To: Steelfish
Ghengis Khan asked Marco Polo’s uncle to bring back Christian scholars to teach the mongol people.
When Uncle Polo returned from his first trip he went to the Vatican and explained a vast empire of heathens wanted Christian education. The Vatican responded by providing three fat friars who all bailed out on the Polo expedition in Turkey and Syria.
Ponder world history had their been a successful conversion of the Mongols to Christianity.
To: Steelfish
Re your headline: I think you’re confusing Guyak with Barack.
49 posted on
01/02/2010 8:54:30 PM PST by
RightOnTheLeftCoast
(Obama: running for re-election in '12 or running for Mahdi now? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahdi])
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