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What will talking power meters say about you?
msnbc ^ | 10/27/09 | Bob Sullivan

Posted on 10/27/2009 10:19:22 AM PDT by Nachum

Would you sign up for a discount with your power company in exchange for surrendering control of your thermostat? What if it means that, one day, your auto insurance company will know that you regularly arrive home on weekends at 2:15 a.m., just after the bars close?

Welcome to the complex world of the Smart Grid, which may very well pit environmental concerns against thorny privacy issues. If you think such debates are purely philosophical, you’re behind the times.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: electricity; energy; meters; power; say; talking
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1 posted on 10/27/2009 10:19:23 AM PDT by Nachum
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Owners of vehicles with ONSTAR are already in the system with their driving patterns.


2 posted on 10/27/2009 10:24:22 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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What if it means that, one day, your auto insurance company will know that you regularly arrive home on weekends at 2:15 a.m., just after the bars close?

i'm a bartender, of course i return home around 2:15am on weekends.
3 posted on 10/27/2009 10:31:03 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced, tattooed, pierced, harley hatin, meghan mccain luvin', smoker and pit bull owner..what?)
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To: Nachum

against thorny privacy issues.


There is not right to privacy between two private (non-governmental) persons.

If my auto insurance company demands I allow my driving habits to be monitored, I can accpet that offer or reject it (and find another auto insurance company.)

The free market will work this out.


4 posted on 10/27/2009 10:32:06 AM PDT by Brookhaven (http://theconservativehand.blogspot.com/)
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To: Nachum

Put one of these on your home and you will lower the resale price as many Americans won’t want the house. I’m sure once the meter is installed, they won’t let you switch it back.

Will a renter be able to request one of these without the permission of the owner of the home?


5 posted on 10/27/2009 10:41:47 AM PDT by anonsquared
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"Would you sign up for a discount with your power company in exchange for surrendering control of your thermostat?"

Nope! Never, never, never!!!

6 posted on 10/27/2009 11:02:06 AM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: Nachum

What a strange coincidence that Obama is now pushing the smart grid. Will we see reductions in electrical availability for those who do not vote as he prefers?


7 posted on 10/27/2009 11:03:07 AM PDT by GulchBound (Who owns you?)
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Watch the sale of portable home generators go up....


8 posted on 10/27/2009 11:05:05 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

I would tell my electric utility to go pound salt (which I hope we would all do, as their heads will start to explode when the ROI numbers on their Smart Grid investments start coming up ZERO)


9 posted on 10/27/2009 11:05:54 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Electric company just offered my 90 year old Mom a deal. For an annual rebate of $50 they would put a smart switch on her air conditioner which would shut down the unit during periods of peak demand. Like, when it is really hot outside.

Mom declined.


10 posted on 10/27/2009 11:09:34 AM PDT by Cold Heart
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I would NEVER allow that system to be installed in my home.

I dont even call them smart meters.. I call them what they are.. Spy meters.

They can go shut off the AC in all the Obama voters homes before they will ever get access to mine.

Looks like its time to beef up my already existing solar setup here.


11 posted on 10/27/2009 11:16:14 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Cold Heart

We got the same offer. I don’t know how many around here agreed, but my guess is the number is asymptotic to zero.


12 posted on 10/27/2009 11:18:18 AM PDT by Ole Okie (American)
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To: Nachum

If the meter knows what’s good for it it won’t say a damn thing.


13 posted on 10/27/2009 11:18:48 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Ole Okie
Here in the western burbs of Chikago it's a 'voluntary program' for now.

Just kind of for the hell of it I called them up and asked them what would happen if they shut down my ac during one of those 'peak demand' periods and one of my pets died.

Dead silence from the other end of the phone.

I asked what would happen if an elderly person died from heat stroke during one of their little 'shutdowns'.

Dead silence yet again.

I asked if they could be held legally liable for those damages or if I'd have to sign some sort of release form.

Again, dead silence.

L

14 posted on 10/27/2009 11:22:10 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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Smart grid is a lame attempt to create Federally subsidized green jobs because we are unable to create real jobs due to 0bama idiocy and our outsourcing of industry to China/Asia the last 25 years

IBM advertises heavy for smart grid because it looks to get on the Federal gravy train.
IBM wants to provide the computers, software etc for the smart grid


15 posted on 10/27/2009 11:27:29 AM PDT by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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To: Cold Heart

<Like, when it is really hot outside.

That’s what I don’t get - why cut off air conditioners when it’s really hot? How are they going to judge who’s at home and who isn’t? What if I work nights and am at home during the hot part of the day?

I’m going to include this discussion as part of my policy class next term. I just spent some time reading the comments and they are fascinating. I’m not sure the utility has thought through the unintended consequences of this plan.

I believe there have been non-peak use plans for some time. Deciding to turn on the dishwasher after 10 pm is one thing. Having the utility turn off your TV every time you leave the room to go to the bathroom is something else.


16 posted on 10/27/2009 11:42:58 AM PDT by radiohead (Buy ammo, get your kids out of government schools, pray for the Republic.)
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To: Nachum
What will talking power meters say about you?

Good grief! That metal lathe draws some power!

17 posted on 10/27/2009 11:53:10 AM PDT by GingisK
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"How are they going to judge who’s at home and who isn’t?"

I guess IF you sign up for it, it'd be ok with you for them to cut off the energy.

18 posted on 10/27/2009 12:25:19 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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The day the meter opens its mouth it will get busted in the chops.

I am so sick of all this “smart stuff”.


19 posted on 10/27/2009 12:29:30 PM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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LOL!


20 posted on 10/27/2009 12:43:50 PM PDT by Ole Okie (American)
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