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Earth’s magnetic field is not produced by an internal dynamo within the planet
Dennis Brooks ^ | 2009 | Dennis Brooks

Posted on 10/27/2009 8:12:33 AM PDT by mudblood

The New Theory: Earth’s magnetic field is not produced by an internal dynamo within the planet. The magnetic field and the planet are separate parts of a complex dynamo system surrounding the planet. The system includes the planet, the magnetic field, radiation belts, and ring current. The same is true of the other planets. Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, and Uranus are visible components of otherwise invisible planetary dynamo systems, which are all housed within a magnetosphere. According to this new theory, there is no internal dynamo within the planet. Planet Earth does not have a unique way of producing it’s magnetic field. Nor do the other planets. Each magnetic field of each planet is produced in exactly the same way, by its planetary dynamo system.

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This guy has a very interesting theory of the Earth's magnetic sphere that is different than the long-held view that it is created by the rotation of a liquid iron core. Deeper in the site he points out that iron's "curie point", once reached, will cause it to give up its ability to create a magnetic field at all. The dynamo system he describes is powered by the sun.
1 posted on 10/27/2009 8:12:33 AM PDT by mudblood
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To: mudblood

I have always wondered how a molten metal core could have any magnetic field


2 posted on 10/27/2009 8:15:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (I live in fear that one of my typos becomes a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: Mr. K

seriesly- I wondered that...


3 posted on 10/27/2009 8:16:18 AM PDT by Mr. K (I live in fear that one of my typos becomes a freeper catchphrase...I'm series!)
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To: mudblood

Wow, sometimes these guys sound like they wake up throwing darts at theories.


4 posted on 10/27/2009 8:16:37 AM PDT by z3n
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To: mudblood

ping for a read later


5 posted on 10/27/2009 8:17:21 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: z3n
.it's an enjoyable hobby?"
6 posted on 10/27/2009 8:18:01 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: mudblood

Not being a scientist, I can only guess as to what keeps our Earth’s magnetic field in balance but I suspect it is a number of different factors which include the relationship to the other planets, stars, our own Moon and the inner crust of our own Earth that provides that balance. I also believe that all these things were created by God and are kept in that state of balance by that Supreme Being even as these areas undergo constant changes and fluctuations that occur daily as well as over a long period of time.


7 posted on 10/27/2009 8:18:52 AM PDT by Ev Reeman
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To: z3n

I like that he’s actually challenging ‘accepted’ scientific views. We’ve seen what happens when people accept established science as the end of all further inquiry (global warming).


8 posted on 10/27/2009 8:19:58 AM PDT by mudblood
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To: mudblood

Exactly who is this guy, and what are his creds?

Oh, and a complete rebuttal of his theory is here:

http://focus.aps.org/story/v19/st3


9 posted on 10/27/2009 8:20:26 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: mudblood

The author has some learning to do about when to use “it’s” vs. when to use “its.”


10 posted on 10/27/2009 8:21:11 AM PDT by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: z3n

Very close - we dream it.


11 posted on 10/27/2009 8:22:27 AM PDT by rod1
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To: mudblood

this holds with the ancient legends that an near-orbit or near-miss object so affected earth’s magnetism that the magnetic poles were switched

some of the wildest ancient stories talk about the earth’s rotation even being reversed. Interesting to speculate


12 posted on 10/27/2009 8:23:20 AM PDT by silverleaf ("For America today, decline is not a condition. Decline is a choice"- Krauthammer)
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To: mudblood
I understand that, and I have no problem with proposing a new hypothesis, and I have no loss of sympathy for the assault that can come from those who cling to existing theory.

I was just dis-satisfied with the summary. I should not have to read the article to find out why two phenomenon are co-existant. The way the summary was written, you must assume that the earth and it's field are coincidental.

"The New Theory: Earth’s magnetic field is not produced by an internal dynamo within the planet. The magnetic field and the planet are separate parts of a complex dynamo system surrounding the planet"


13 posted on 10/27/2009 8:25:34 AM PDT by z3n
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To: silverleaf

The magnetic poles switch about every 300,000 years. On either side of the mid atlanic ridge there are perfect bands of rock with opposite magnetic poles.


14 posted on 10/27/2009 8:26:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: xcamel

For his creds, I’m sure he has them at the site I linked. As for the rebuttal, I have yet to hear his response to it - but then again I didn’t read every page on the site either. I think he talks about planets that don’t have a molten core as well, and yet still have a magnetic field.


15 posted on 10/27/2009 8:27:23 AM PDT by mudblood
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To: xjcsa

Did you use this comment in another thread within the last week? I read this a few days ago.


16 posted on 10/27/2009 8:28:03 AM PDT by Blue Highway ("Judge me by the people with whom I surround myself" Barack Obama, Oct 15, 2008 Presidential debate)
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To: mudblood
That's pure BS. Earth is terrestrial. Currents of the molton core change the magnetic field all the time. There is no corrolation with the gas giants...

Mike

17 posted on 10/27/2009 8:29:18 AM PDT by MichaelP (Peckerwood is in charge...)
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To: mudblood

“the long-held view that it is created by the rotation of a liquid iron core”

That view was popular, but never did make any sense.


18 posted on 10/27/2009 8:29:52 AM PDT by babygene
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To: Blue Highway
Did you use this comment in another thread within the last week? I read this a few days ago.

Not that I can remember.

19 posted on 10/27/2009 8:30:42 AM PDT by xjcsa (And these three remain: change, hope and government. But the greatest of these is government.)
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To: cripplecreek

so there is a cycle? based on what, do you think?
when is earth next due? seems I’ve read the magnetism is now weakening


20 posted on 10/27/2009 8:31:08 AM PDT by silverleaf ("For America today, decline is not a condition. Decline is a choice"- Krauthammer)
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To: xcamel

Ping for later


21 posted on 10/27/2009 8:33:01 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier whose wife is expecting twins SONS.)
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To: mudblood
We’ve seen what happens when people accept established science as the end of all further inquiry (global warming).

True. While science has accumulated a vast amount of knowledge, even great theories like General Relativity are incomplete.

22 posted on 10/27/2009 8:33:38 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: MichaelP

Mars and I believe Venus have almost non existent magnetic fields. In the case of venus its interesting due to the fact that we don’t understand what prevents the atmosphere of venus from being stripped away by the solar winds.


23 posted on 10/27/2009 8:34:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: mudblood
There's always this theory...


24 posted on 10/27/2009 8:35:55 AM PDT by Reaganesque ("And thou shalt do it with all humility, trusting in me, reviling not against revilers.")
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To: Mr. K

you wonder how a ball of iron the size of mars, spinning opposite to the Earth’s rotation at millions of miles per hour, could produce a magnetic field?


25 posted on 10/27/2009 8:37:00 AM PDT by skipper18
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To: babygene
That view was popular, but never did make any sense.


Probably only because you are not up to speed on the equations of magnetohydrodynamics. Walter Elsasser would be disappointed in you.
26 posted on 10/27/2009 8:37:35 AM PDT by broncobilly
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To: mudblood

Anybody can have theories.

To paraphrase “Rocky Horror Picture Show”:

“I’ve got theories, you’ve got theories, we’ve all got theories!”

I’ll believe it when he produces a scientifically accurate dynamic physical model that predicts the periodical pole reversals.


27 posted on 10/27/2009 8:40:37 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from The Right Stuff)
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To: silverleaf

There’s a definite cycle but you would have to ask a geologist for theories on what causes it. I believe the name of the ship that discovered the magnetic banding of the sea floor was called the Glomar Explorer.

As far as magnetic field weakening is concerned, it makes sense that as a molten core cooled, the magnetic field it produces would weaken.


28 posted on 10/27/2009 8:42:00 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: catnipman

Then you shouldn’t believe that the liquid core produces the Earth’s magnetic field, because scientists cannot predict pole reversals either, nor explain why. From National Geographic:

“We can see reversals in the rocks, but they don’t tell us how it happens,” said Gary Glatzmaier, an earth scientist and magnetic field expert at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

Also:

“Our planet’s magnetic field reverses about once every 200,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is highly variable. The last time Earth’s magnetic field flipped was 780,000 years ago, according to the geologic record of Earth’s polarity. “

Glad to have you on-board with us Dynamo-ers!


29 posted on 10/27/2009 8:48:20 AM PDT by mudblood
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To: mudblood

So, can this guy demonstrate then the magnetic movements and reversals the Earth experiences? Magentic North moves about 0.1 degrees per year where I am at. The Sun isn’t moving that much. He would need to explain the interaction between the Sun and the Earth in order to prove his theory.


30 posted on 10/27/2009 8:50:23 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: cripplecreek

So, how did you and Mars come to that conclusion? he he


31 posted on 10/27/2009 8:54:03 AM PDT by pappyone (New to Freep, still working a tag line.)
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To: cripplecreek

It might be interesting to look at basalt deposits, say on the Moon and Mars and see if they can be corellated to terrestrial shifts.

Although there seem no appreciable tectonics on these two bodies, basalts ex/intruded at different times could then be compared to events of similar age on Earth.

If the events are synchronous, maybe this guy’s onto something.

But I personally doubt it.


32 posted on 10/27/2009 8:55:40 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: CodeToad

The sun itself presents some problems for the guy’s theory. The sun isn’t a solid mass and doesn’t rotate at the same rate all over its surface. This causes a chaotic magnetic field that you would expect to make earth’s magnetic field just as chaotic.


33 posted on 10/27/2009 8:56:09 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: mudblood

Please tell us how Nikolai Tesla powered his “electric” car back in 1931. No battery pack, just 12 vacuum tubes and two ferrite rods I ass-u-me were cores for low frequency inductors/coils of some kind.


34 posted on 10/27/2009 8:58:39 AM PDT by Eagles2003
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To: babygene

Basically the huge eddy currents created as the core interacts with the mantle.


35 posted on 10/27/2009 9:00:25 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: cripplecreek

Very true. IT also would give the guy’s theory problems in that the particles from the Sun also are not as constant as the magnetic field of the Earth.


36 posted on 10/27/2009 9:00:49 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: mudblood

magnetic field bump


37 posted on 10/27/2009 9:03:55 AM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve)
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To: onedoug

I suppose if you could take deep core samples from the slope of Olympus Mons we might be able to find out if there’s any banding there.


38 posted on 10/27/2009 9:05:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: pappyone

I think we should build giant super conducting magnets to supplement or decrement Earth’s magnetic field so we can control the temperature on the planet. Because the Magnetic field affects weather and climate much more than CO2 levels. Heck, building this system would probably cost 1/100th as much as Cap Trade.

Of course there is the possibility that HAARP already does something similar.


39 posted on 10/27/2009 9:05:28 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Ev Reeman

Amen!


40 posted on 10/27/2009 9:10:13 AM PDT by doc1019
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To: z3n

Science is NEVER settled!!! A constant reevaluation and “but what about ...?” analysis is a very good and healthy thing.


41 posted on 10/27/2009 9:12:03 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Democrats scare me, the GOP infuriates me.")
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To: NonValueAdded
Science is NEVER settled!!! A constant reevaluation and “but what about ...?” analysis is a very good and healthy thing.

Absolutely. Now if only those who scream that science is always wrong could grasp that.
42 posted on 10/27/2009 9:26:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: mudblood

OK, I’m calling BS on this one, just because of all the crazy rip off schemes in the adds with the article. Nice try.


43 posted on 10/27/2009 9:29:16 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: jpsb

He’s not being funded by anyone for his research. Its hard to research and work at Wendy’s at the same time. I can’t believe I’m defending making money on the FR.


44 posted on 10/27/2009 9:36:57 AM PDT by mudblood
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To: mudblood

There are advertisers, and then their are people who sell gold as an investment.


45 posted on 10/27/2009 9:41:02 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: mudblood

So why does Mars have no magnetic field to speak of??? If its simply a matter of being a planet spinning in space, its electromagnetic field should have collapsed in the pockets that it has today.

I’m not saying the theory is wrong, just asking, how it handles this counter example.


46 posted on 10/27/2009 9:43:25 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: skipper18

I can understand how a rotating iron core can cause a magnetic field. What I can’t understand is how this theory explains the periodic reversal of this magnetic field.


47 posted on 10/27/2009 9:46:10 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: mudblood

Hey, what the heck, Einstein worked at a patent office to pay the rent. Of course, not everyone who works at a patent office is Einstein...


48 posted on 10/27/2009 9:50:04 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: HamiltonJay
Did a quick read, as I understand it he's claiming that captured charged particle's from the Sun creates the magnetic fields of all spinning planets. Did I get that right? So Mars is a real problem with is very weak magnetic field. Also I thought it was, (I hate saying this) "settled science" that spinning liquid metal generates a magnetic field. I like people that think out side the box, but ......
49 posted on 10/27/2009 9:51:03 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: HamiltonJay

I looked into that a little, using googly on the internet. Mars is stated as having a magnetic field, but weaker than Earth. But it is a smaller planet, in a different orbit, etc. Also, this isn’t my theory, it has to stand on its own two feet, I’m totally cool with that :)


50 posted on 10/27/2009 9:54:34 AM PDT by mudblood
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