Shootout at West Toledo bar spurs fears of criminal bravado (must see video)

Toledo Blade ^ | 10/11/09 | JC REINDL

[OldDeckHand]

A late-night disagreement between two men in a bar becomes a stare-down.

One side throws fists, and a brief brawl breaks out. Customers scatter. Tables are overturned. Friends on the sidelines straighten their postures and walk tough. Others grab their coats and head for the door.

Some physical commotion is not uncommon at evening establishments where alcohol is served. But it's what happened next on Thursday evening inside the Route 66 Kitchen in West Toledo that has unsettled some Toledoans.

With surveillance cameras rolling, several figures pulled out handguns and engaged in a shootout that raged inside and outside the bar for several minutes. Seventeen shell casings littered the floor or ground before the gun battle petered out, leaving a front door riddled with bullet holes and scenes of lawless mayhem preserved on video.

Amazingly, no one was hurt.

[OldDeckHand]

You must watch the whole video at the link. After the initial shootout, they move outside for a little more mayhem. It seems that there some considerable time before the police respond.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Is it mayhem when only property is damaged or destroyed?

[cyst]

The people in the video are acting like savages.

[Brett66]

No on was hurt?

Wow! Old Wyatt Earp’s philosophy on gun fights still holds, you have to take careful, deliberate aim even if bullets are flying around you.

[OldDeckHand]

"Is it mayhem when only property is damaged or destroyed?"

According to Websters: needless or willful damage or violence.

So yes, I'd say when you empty at least two clips in a point blank shootout, it is mayhem, even though the participants are such poor and undisciplined shooters that neither was able to hit their targets at less than 10 feet.

[glorgau]

Amazingly, no one was hurt.

This is due to a lack of gun control. They were just spraying and praying.

[GoldenPup]

Looked like ALL those guys need a little more range time...unless they were shooting blanks.

[madison10]

It seems that there some considerable time before the police respond.

That's because of cutbacks. They are fortunate that the police responded at all.

[Steely Tom]

I prefer the phrase “Democrat core constituents.”

[HiTech RedNeck]

That would have been a gag scene.

[OldDeckHand]

"That's because of cutbacks. They are fortunate that the police responded at all. "

I have some family in Toledo, and they told me that this was really close to UT. It's hard to believe that it took police so long to respond to a shooting close to a university.

[null and void]

“Amazingly, no one was hurt.”

Amateurs.

[Bulldawg Fan]

The guy outside was hopping around like a rabbit, shooting at the building it seems. Why should the cops intervene, the more these guys kill each other, the better off innocents are.

[Pusterfuss]

Looked like an ACORN pep rally.

[StormEye]

"The people in the video are acting like savages."

Ghetto clientele.

[thinking]

A reckless society, determined to self-destruct....

[TWfromTEXAS]

17 shots, no one hurt? No gun control at all. My dad would take my piece away.

[digger48]

I think it would be safe to say, with a 98% accuracy, that those were supporters of Obama.

[Hot Tabasco]

Is that snow on the bushes in front of the bar? If so, when was this video taken, it certainly couldn’t have been recent.....

[Steely Tom]

Yes, but we mustn’t generalize.

[NRA2BFree]

I saw this on TV the other night. It’s a miracle that no one was hit with all the shots that were fired. The police video I saw said that there were over 20 shots fired. What really amazes me is that so many patrons in that bar had guns. I don’t know what the laws are there but I know in NM it is against the law to take any firearms into a bar.

[behzinlea]

Brainless thugs like the dolts in this video are a big part of the reason I conceal carry. However, unlike them I have taken care to become well-trained to use my handgun quickly and accurately if absolutely necessary.

In Obama's dystopia everyone would be disarmed except for the thugs and the police. And because police are only rarely able to prevent life-threatening criminal activity, law-abiding citizens would be at the mercy of well-armed thugs.

[wastedyears]

Amazingly, no one was hurt

Because they just point and pull, sideways.

[wastedyears]

The people in the video are acting like savages.

Democrat constituents

[OldDeckHand]

"Is that snow on the bushes in front of the bar?"

I believe this is just from a day or two ago. I live about 130 miles south of Toledo. It's been cool, but no snow.

[behzinlea]

My guess is that thugs in New Mexico, like thugs everywhere, probably don’t care what the law says about bringing guns into bars.

[wastedyears]

I don’t know what the laws are there but I know in NM it is against the law to take any firearms into a bar.

That's why they're call criminals.

[uncle fenders]

It is amazing how hard it is to hit a target with a handgun when you just spray bullets under pressure. Even though I used to be a fairly decent shooter with a rifle, I never could call myself even average with a pistol...

I wish I had the place and shells to improve, mostly its the lack of practice I suppose.

[em2vn]

How long-a minute and a half,two minutes, three, five? Do you know how long after the shooting began that 911 was called.
There aren’t cops on every corner and we don’t want it that way either.

[SampleMan]

Wow! Old Wyatt Earp’s philosophy on gun fights still holds, you have to take careful, deliberate aim even if bullets are flying around you.

Hard to do, with the pistol in the cool onside hold required by young hoods who don't want to be dissed. They needed these:

[OldDeckHand]

"I don’t know what the laws are there but I know in NM it is against the law to take any firearms into a bar."

My local TV news station described it last night as a drug-deal gone bad. I doubt that any of the participants had conceal carry permits. And, even if they did, the Ohio CC laws strictly prohibit even citizens with CCW permits to carry in a place that sells open liquor.

[rockrr]

I can think of a whole bunch of things that they need more of than range time personally...

[certrtwngnut]

Help me please, I can’t get the video. Thank you.

[OldDeckHand]

"Help me please, I can’t get the video. Thank you."

Here's the link to a different video sourse - a tv station in Columbus...

Gunman Sought After Bar Shootout

[Stentor]

Looked like ALL those guys need a little more range time...unless they were shooting blanks.

For some odd reason, after watching that, I feel better about my chances.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Interesting variations on the Weaver stance. Maybe I need to practice that side hop pray and spray technique, LOL

[TexasCajun]

[JimC214]

That one clown killed the floor tiles.

[OldDeckHand]

"Interesting variations on the Weaver stance. "

It's called the "Bob & Weaver" stance. Now you know where the "Hop" in "Hip-Hop" comes from.

[Nam Vet]

Don'tcha know we have to cut police and fire services? Never can we cut the 55 year old retirees who collect a mere 110% of their top wage. That would border on neglect!! Junkets, too, are necessities.

Brother Barak needs that Wagyu beef. We don't really need that missle defense shield, now do we?

Nam Vet

[RowdyFFC]

That’s what I was wondering, seems like the cops weren’t in much of a rush to get there. lol

Jeebus, those street dudes look dumber than dirt...it must be all about ‘image’ (kinda like Obama) because they were jumping around so much they couldn’t possibly aim at anything...that one dude was shooting the ground and the wall, it’s a wonder he didn’t shoot his foot off.

But that’s why they’re so deadly to innocent by standers...they don’t seem to care who or what they hit with their drive-by, jump up and down shots! They just want to be seen shooting their ‘trey-eights’ or ‘double deuce’...

Like I said, dumb as dirt, but deadly! But they’re usually ‘bookin’ as they run or drive like crazy cowards! There’s no way they’re going to take a stand and fight like real warriors.

[islander-11]

It was good to see that the hope and change crowd can’t shoot for crap. That bodes well for the future conflicts...

[Snurple]

We must celebrate diversity! LOL....dumbasses

[NRA2BFree]

My guess is that thugs in New Mexico, like thugs everywhere, probably don’t care what the law says about bringing guns into bars.

Yeah, I guess you're right. Thugs/gang bangers/drug dealers have no respect for any laws, anywhere!

[NRA2BFree]

That's why they're call criminals.

You're right. That's exactly what they are.

[kempo]

I'll bet 100% of the participants voted for Obama.

[PLMerite]

Last year or so, some guy got into a fracas in a parking garage in Baltimore when a cop showed up. So the guy (dumbass) whips out a .50AE Desert Eagle and starts popping off at the cop. Cop won. I would imagine that if the dumbass tried any of those ‘gangsta’ firing styles the DE would have jammed in a heartbeat.

[ApplegateRanch]

can think of a whole bunch of things that they need more of than range time personally...

They are most in need of a lot of time at the bottom end of a range.

As hanging targets.

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Shameful waste of ammo at any rate!

[Bon mots]

I can think of a whole bunch of things that they need more of than range time personally...

Yeah, like a tall Quercus and short hemp.