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The Truth About Jobs That No One Wants To Tell You (The former Clinton Labor Sec. is pessimistic)
Wall Street Pit ^ | 10/3/2009 | Robert Reich

Posted on 10/03/2009 8:51:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Unemployment will almost certainly in double-digits next year — and may remain there for some time. And for every person who shows up as unemployed in the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ household survey, you can bet there’s another either too discouraged to look for work or working part time who’d rather have a full-time job or else taking home less pay than before (I’m in the last category, now that the University of California has instituted pay cuts). And there’s yet another person who’s more fearful that he or she will be next to lose a job.

In other words, ten percent unemployment really means twenty percent underemployment or anxious employment. All of which translates directly into late payments on mortgages, credit cards, auto and student loans, and loss of health insurance. It also means sleeplessness for tens of millions of Americans. And, of course, fewer purchases (more on this in a moment).

Unemployment of this magnitude and duration also translates into ugly politics, because fear and anxiety are fertile grounds for demagogues weilding the politics of resentment against immigrants, blacks, the poor, government leaders, business leaders, Jews, and other easy targets. It’s already started. Next year is a mid-term election. Be prepared for worse.

So why is unemployment and underemployment so high, and why is it likely to remain high for some time? Because, as noted, people who are worried about their jobs or have no jobs, and who are also trying to get out from under a pile of debt, are not going do a lot of shopping. And businesses that don’t have customers aren’t going do a lot of new investing. And foreign nations also suffering high unemployment aren’t going to buy a lot of our goods and services.

And without customers, companies won’t hire. They’ll cut payrolls instead.

Which brings us to the obvious question: Who’s going to buy the stuff we make or the services we provide, and therefore bring jobs back? There’s only one buyer left: The government.

Let me say this as clearly and forcefully as I can: The federal government should be spending even more than it already is on roads and bridges and schools and parks and everything else we need. It should make up for cutbacks at the state level, and then some. This is the only way to put Americans back to work. We did it during the Depression. It was called the WPA.

Yes, I know. Our government is already deep in debt. But let me tell you something: When one out of six Americans is unemployed or underemployed, this is no time to worry about the debt.

When I was a small boy my father told me that I and my kids and my grand-kids would be paying down the debt created by Franklin D. Roosevelt during the Depression and World War II. I didn’t even know what a debt was, but it kept me up at night.

My father was right about a lot of things, but he was wrong about this. America paid down FDR’s debt in the 1950s, when Americans went back to work, when the economy was growing again, and when our incomes grew, too. We paid taxes, and in a few years that FDR debt had shrunk to almost nothing.

You see? The most important thing right now is getting the jobs back, and getting the economy growing again.

People who now obsess about government debt have it backwards. The problem isn’t the debt. The problem is just the opposite. It’s that at a time like this, when consumers and businesses and exports can’t do it, government has to spend more to get Americans back to work and recharge the economy. Then – after people are working and the economy is growing – we can pay down that debt.

But if government doesn’t spend more right now and get Americans back to work, we could be out of work for years. And the debt will be with us even longer. And politics could get much uglier.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; clintonistas; jobless; jobs; recession; reich; unemployment
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1 posted on 10/03/2009 8:51:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Unemployment will almost certainly in double-digits next year

Next year? Try RIGHT NOW.

2 posted on 10/03/2009 8:53:36 AM PDT by library user
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To: SeekAndFind

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3 posted on 10/03/2009 8:54:49 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: library user

Robert Reich? Wow, I thought this man was high on Obama’s policies. This is big IMO.


4 posted on 10/03/2009 8:55:01 AM PDT by CommieCutter (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/ht/qt/3013_08.html)
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To: SeekAndFind

Robert Reich is just another RACIST HATE MONGER!


5 posted on 10/03/2009 8:55:49 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: CommieCutter

The American people first have to know that Democrats have been in charge of Congress since January 2007. Every time I am visiting family, they watch CNN and MSNBC and those channels say the Democrats have only controlled Congress since January of THIS year. Lies, lies, lies.


6 posted on 10/03/2009 8:57:02 AM PDT by library user
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To: SeekAndFind
“So why is unemployment and underemployment so high, and why is it likely to remain high for some time? Because, as noted, people who are worried about their jobs or have no jobs, and who are also trying to get out from under a pile of debt, are not going do a lot of shopping. And businesses that don’t have customers aren’t going do a lot of new investing. And foreign nations also suffering high unemployment aren’t going to buy a lot of our goods and services.”

.......and your party's $1 T Stimulus Bill was NOT a stimulus bill but a payoff to all your cronies. It stimulated nothing and will never stimulate anything. Face it Dems, you screwed up big time!

7 posted on 10/03/2009 8:57:36 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Let me say this as clearly and forcefully as I can: The federal government should be spending even more than it already is on roads and bridges and schools and parks and everything else we need. It should make up for cutbacks at the state level, and then some. This is the only way to put Americans back to work. We did it during the Depression. It was called the WPA.

Bull Merd. CUT TAXES. STOP SPENDING.
These arrogant peahens just don’t get it.
They are hopeless humbugs and all should be thrown out of power now.


8 posted on 10/03/2009 9:01:23 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: troy McClure
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9 posted on 10/03/2009 9:01:23 AM PDT by library user
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To: SeekAndFind

WPA = We Putter Around


10 posted on 10/03/2009 9:01:43 AM PDT by Former War Criminal (My senior Senator (who served in Vietnam) said so.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Unemployment will almost certainly in double-digits next year — and may remain there for some time.

My guess (and prayer): until the socialist leaves office on January 20, 2013, and then our economy will immediately improve. I am saving aggressively until that date, and I plan on having a long list of things to replace or upgrade if the thug actually steps aide as required by law and we get a patriot in his place.

11 posted on 10/03/2009 9:02:58 AM PDT by TurtleUp ([...Insert today's quote from Community-Organizer-in-Chief...] - Obama, YOU LIE!)
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To: Chgogal

To borrow a phrase, “Let’s be clear...”
When people run out of UI (which is soon) and can’t afford food or heat, you will be seeing the new Liberty Revolution and these socialists will be thrown out of office, if they don’t have us all killed by Mahamood first.


12 posted on 10/03/2009 9:03:47 AM PDT by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
because fear and anxiety are fertile grounds for demagogues weilding the politics of resentment against immigrants, blacks, the poor, government leaders, business leaders, Jews, and other easy targets.

Here we go. Obama's policies aren't at fault. Blame the conservatives!!

13 posted on 10/03/2009 9:04:00 AM PDT by NotSoModerate (Obama's spin isn't ordinary, it's roller coaster ride after a few beers spin.)
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To: Shady

The UI will be extended, and extended — for just that reason.


14 posted on 10/03/2009 9:06:56 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: library user

The American people first have to know that Democrats have been in charge of Congress since January 2007. Every time I am visiting family, they watch CNN and MSNBC and those channels say the Democrats have only controlled Congress since January of THIS year. Lies, lies, lies.


You need to find the time line of Congress, print it out and put it in their face.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/


15 posted on 10/03/2009 9:07:32 AM PDT by CommieCutter (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/programs/ht/qt/3013_08.html)
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To: SeekAndFind

A big fact not included in these figures are the people who were over 62 when the meltdown hit them.

They couldn’t find a full time job and went on early Social Security to have a monthly income. This is probably one of the reasons Social Security this past month paid out more than it took in.

So these people are not in the stats as unemployed.


16 posted on 10/03/2009 9:08:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Let me say this as clearly and forcefully as I can: The federal government should be spending even more than it already is on roads and bridges and schools and parks and everything else we need. It should make up for cutbacks at the state level, and then some. This is the only way to put Americans back to work. We did it during the Depression. It was called the WPA. “

Yes, government fixes everything!

Virtually all of FDR’s “Make Work” programs were spectacular failures for sustainable expansion of the economy. WW2 and it’s aftermath brought us out of the depression and lead to a great economic expansion.

Technologies and manufacturing processes developed during the war were put to use during peacetime to create a tremendous economic expansion.


17 posted on 10/03/2009 9:10:17 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: SeekAndFind

“Next year is a mid-term election. Be prepared for worse...”

The writing is on the wall and the dems are beginning to panic. The mid-terms in 2010 will be historic and are likely to make 1994 look tame by comparison.


18 posted on 10/03/2009 9:10:46 AM PDT by tatown (Obama is Kenyan for "turd")
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To: SeekAndFind

[Which brings us to the obvious question: Who’s going to buy the stuff we make or the services we provide, and therefore bring jobs back? There’s only one buyer left: The government.

Let me say this as clearly and forcefully as I can: The federal government should be spending even more than it already is on roads and bridges and schools and parks and everything else we need. It should make up for cutbacks at the state level, and then some. This is the only way to put Americans back to work. We did it during the Depression. It was called the WPA. ]

Insanity. Absolute insanity of astronomical proportion.


19 posted on 10/03/2009 9:11:00 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: CommieCutter

I alone cannot do that and have much effect. The media needs to do that, but of course they won’t.


20 posted on 10/03/2009 9:11:28 AM PDT by library user
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To: expatpat

“The UI will be extended, and extended — for just that reason.”

It will morph into a new entitlement.


21 posted on 10/03/2009 9:12:00 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: CommieCutter
Robert Reich? Wow, I thought this man was high on Obama’s policies. This is big IMO.

Don't get too excited. If you notice his prescription is more of the same, i.e. government spending, don't worry about the debt etc. This is exactly wrong as Reagan proved in the 80s. Cut taxes, cut government spending and put the money back in the private sector's hands. Remember every job the government creates is a net money loser. If you're let's say a carpenter, your company pays you a salary, but the product you produce is worth more than your salary so the company makes a profit, and in turn uses that profit to hire more people, buy tools or whatever. A government salary must be paid out of taxes, which come from people paying who in turn have less to spend elsewhere.At least that's my simplistic way of understanding it.

Robert Reich is a liberal and as with any liberal every problem has a government solution. Seems to me you put more money into peoples pockets on an ongoing basis, as opposed to a one shot stimulus check, then after they catch up with all their bills they'll start spending. It's never been known to fail.

22 posted on 10/03/2009 9:13:37 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: FastCoyote
Insanity. Absolute insanity of astronomical proportion.

This guy Robert Reich like Sen. Patrick Moynihan before him, seems to know what the problem is. Unfortunately like Moynihan, his proposal for the cure will not only NOT solve the problem but probably EXACERBATE it.
23 posted on 10/03/2009 9:14:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (wH)
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To: CommieCutter

And a dwarf to boot.


24 posted on 10/03/2009 9:15:23 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You don't have to be ignorant to be a Democrat...but if you are...so what?)
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To: headstamp 2
"WW2 and it’s aftermath brought us out of the depression and lead to a great economic expansion."

And that was largely true because the productive capacity of Europe and Asia was totally destroyed -- only the U.S. infrastructure was untouched. That's why we had such demand and manufacturing supremacy in the 50s.

25 posted on 10/03/2009 9:16:07 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SeekAndFind
Let me say this as clearly and forcefully as I can: The federal government should be spending even more than it already is on roads and bridges and schools and parks and everything else we need. It should make up for cutbacks at the state level, and then some. This is the only way to put Americans back to work. We did it during the Depression. It was called the WPA.

And how long did the Great Depression drag on under Hoover's and Roosevelt's interventionist policies? Without government and the Federal Reserve screwing things up, we would probably remember the 1929 crash and recovery rather than the Great Depression.

My father was right about a lot of things, but he was wrong about this. America paid down FDR’s debt in the 1950s, when Americans went back to work, when the economy was growing again, and when our incomes grew, too. We paid taxes, and in a few years that FDR debt had shrunk to almost nothing.

So the national debt was almost zero by 1960? BS! If some chump on the street said that I would call him a fool. Reich is an economist so I will call him a liar.

26 posted on 10/03/2009 9:17:16 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Rio: Gold / Madrid: Silver / Tokyo: Bronze / Obama: Lead weight.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Robert Reich, you’re an idiot......still.

The problem we’re having with unemployment is CAUSED by big government, ie your dumb@ss socialist DemocRat buds.

Their tax the rich, tax corporations and make them pay for EVERYONE’S healthcare or else and tax small business ssdd bs is what is causing the problem. To simply say all government has to do is spend MORE is not merely asinine...

it’s just more typical leftist stupidity.


27 posted on 10/03/2009 9:21:01 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Grampa Dave
They couldn’t find a full time job and went on early Social Security to have a monthly income. This is probably one of the reasons Social Security this past month paid out more than it took in.

So these people are not in the stats as unemployed.

I am one of them, kind of. They closed my department the month I turned 62. I had a small business I was growing on the side for years, so I Shrugged, and have been working for myself since. The benfits are not great and the boss is a b@st@rd, but I should have done it twenty years sooner.

At least self-respect and being in charge of my own prosperity makes the Kraft Dinner taste better.

28 posted on 10/03/2009 9:22:45 AM PDT by Gorzaloon (Roark, Architect.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mr Reich, you’re wrong. The goal is to get the private sector re-investing in the economy; free up the cash and assets sitting waiting to see what happens. The solution is to do the following:

1. Permanently repeal the capital gains tax. Do not penalize those who risk their funds when growing the economy.

2. Permanently repeal the corporate income tax. Do not penalize companies from succeeding, or give a disincentive from saving profits year-over-year for larger investments and purchases.

Mr. Reich, what will get the economy flowing is to get the trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines, waiting for signs of stability. Rather, encourage those dollars to become used and active right now by telling the owners of those dollars that the US Federal Government will not penalize success, will not punish rewards from risk.


29 posted on 10/03/2009 9:23:49 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the Defense of the Indefensible)
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To: tatown

I’m just hoping and praying that we can survive until 2010 under this terrorist-appeasing moron in the WH. If we don’t get nuked before then, we might just have a chance.


30 posted on 10/03/2009 9:24:18 AM PDT by XenaLee
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To: FastCoyote
The federal government should be spending even more than it already is on roads and bridges and schools and parks and everything else we need.

Why would we need roads and bridges? Cap and Tax will make it unaffordable to drive anywhere. We're supposed to live in communes supplied by locally produced goods and only the elite will be permitted to travel on junkets to global climate change conferences.

What are the schools for? Is everyone going to be educated so that they can graduate to unemployment? Who is going to buy what they're selling? Or maybe we just need more indoctrination centers to tell us how we need to live more sustainable lives.

I can see a use for parks. At least it will give a place for all of the homeless to sleep.

31 posted on 10/03/2009 9:24:36 AM PDT by seowulf (Petraeus, cross the Rubicon.)
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To: Gorzaloon

Good luck with your new life and freedom. Some of my wife’s patients who have gone the way you have re the 62 and SS are trying to start their own small businesses or expanding what they had going on the side.

Some are working as interns to learn new skills and set up new networks to help them.


32 posted on 10/03/2009 9:31:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does 0b0z0 have any friends, who aren't traitors, spies, tax cheats and criminals?)
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To: SeekAndFind
"America paid down FDR’s debt in the 1950s, when Americans went back to work, when the economy was growing again, and when our incomes grew, too."

Of course, that was the era when our factories were humming and the industrial engine was pulling the economy. Now we are importing what we are consuming. We are relying on shopping centers for consumers and the 'information economy' to pull the economic engine.

So the seed corn exporting economy starting under Clinton and magnified under Bush has left us with a job creation void. A situation where the government steps into the vacuum. This makes Democrats happy and Republicans mystified and paralyzed wondering how they can speed up the magic of the market 'long run' which will right everything.

Meanwhile the international corporation sees themselves as citizens of the world with no unique allegiance to US citizens. Their bottom line is profit and opportunity is elsewhere. In their mind, the USA must compete or perish.

33 posted on 10/03/2009 9:32:18 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Now that IS a propaganda piece!


34 posted on 10/03/2009 9:34:39 AM PDT by Freddd
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To: SeekAndFind
or else taking home less pay than before (I’m in the last category, now that the University of California has instituted pay cuts).

Oh, cry me a river, Mr. Reich. Perhaps if you had the skills to do a job worth something....

35 posted on 10/03/2009 9:37:05 AM PDT by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Reich, how about cutting some stimulus and programs and enacting one year without payroll taxes. EVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT?


36 posted on 10/03/2009 9:41:33 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: SeekAndFind

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that someone with Robert Reich’s academic background demonstrates here that he fundamentally misunderstands what the WPA was all about or that the economic dominance of the 50’s had more to do with our industrial plant NOT having been devastated by WWII than by anything the New Deal did.

If simply printing up money could prevent economic downturns, there wouldn’t have ever been a recession or depression in the history of the world!


37 posted on 10/03/2009 9:42:44 AM PDT by sailor4321
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To: SeekAndFind

We have a media, academia, and a government that publicly:

1) frowns on the pursuit of wealth
2) Punish those who privately create wealth
3) seeks to redistribute wealth on the basis of equal economic outcome
4) Actually believes Americans should be poorer for the sake of the environment
5) Have never created ANYTHING that works


38 posted on 10/03/2009 9:45:45 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: SeekAndFind

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/10/huge-downward-jobs-revisions-coming.html


39 posted on 10/03/2009 9:54:55 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: CommieCutter

If you read the article, he’s still big on Obama’s policies.
He’s just calling for more of the same.


40 posted on 10/03/2009 10:15:55 AM PDT by cydcharisse
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To: Shady

The WPA and the CC did nothing to generate wealth or create new jobs. They might as well handed out money for doing nothing as to have made those make work projects. The real solution is to cut taxes, eliminate corporate income taxes and capital gain taxes, abolish the EPA and keep just a few common sense enviro laws. Spending more money is what kept the depression going until WWII started and after. Real recovery didn’t start until 1946. FDR was after the same thing Bozo is after now, collapsing the economy and shifting it to government control, fortunately for the US, WWII came along and then the communist SOB died.


41 posted on 10/03/2009 10:29:06 AM PDT by calex59 (FUBO, we want our constitution back and we intend to get it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

That this fraud can call himself an economist amazes me.


42 posted on 10/03/2009 10:35:04 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: troy McClure

Robert Reich endorsed Obama.


43 posted on 10/03/2009 10:35:59 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: cydcharisse

Right now, its the only option. Average Americans have little earnings to stimulate demand. And less credit, apparently.

parsy, who is not optimistic at all


44 posted on 10/03/2009 10:59:51 AM PDT by parsifal (Abatis: Rubbish in front of a fort, to prevent the rubbish outside from molesting the rubbish inside)
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To: SeekAndFind
Was this originally an Onion article?

This guy is living in a dream world of somesort. He's telling us that only heavy construction jobs outdoors can bring us out of the current unemployment situation.

I get the distinct article this guy has no idea how roads are built, bridge repaired, major earthmoving projects are handled.

Nope, we don't use a bunch of guys with shovels earning 50 cents a day digging holes!

45 posted on 10/03/2009 11:25:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
And that was largely true because the productive capacity of Europe and Asia was totally destroyed

Wrong - Bzzzzt

Check the US WWII post war bombing survey. Germany still had 80% of their industrial/war making capacity.

Britain had increased their industrial output, and the National Socialist occupied territories: hardly touched.

46 posted on 10/03/2009 11:28:28 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld

80%?? Where did you get that stat?


47 posted on 10/03/2009 11:47:13 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: SeekAndFind
Absurd drivel from one of the authors of this current mess.

Need jobs? Create an incentive to hire people.

1. Renew the Bush tax cuts to encourage businesses to expand include the tax reform package an elimination of the capital gains tax. “Pay for it” by a 2 year freeze on Government spending and a re-imposition on the 1995 “Pay as you go” Congressional budget rules with none of the current loopholes

2. Offer a $1500 per new employee tax credit to business to cover the hiring and training costs.

3. Kill cap and trade, health care reform and all the other boodgoggle anti capitalism bills currently being considered in the Congress. Have 0 vow to veto any legislation that will cost real current US jobs with vague promises about imaginary “Green” job in the future.

4. Pass the Developing America’s Resources act to remove all bottlenecks and obstacles in Government regulation that is blocking development all US energy resources and commit the US Government to exploiting any and all US energy sources to end our dependency on imported energy.

What all this current govt intervention in the Economy is doing is causing business, and capital, to hunker down in a bunker mentality wondering what new Govt boondoggle they are going to be told to pay for.

The problem is lack of jobs, the solution is to incentives the 10s of thousands of businesses around the country to hire a few people and create new jobs by eliminating Govt regulations that prevent us from doing things to develop our own energy resources.

These are long term solution that also provides immediate short term gains.

48 posted on 10/03/2009 11:55:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The 0 years, Too bad a requirement for adult supervision was not put into the Constitution)
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To: CommieCutter

He IS high on Obama’s policies. He’s saying the only thing that can provide jobs is the government.


49 posted on 10/03/2009 11:58:13 AM PDT by livius
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To: headstamp 2

Democrat must be the Greek word for delusional. They all point to FDR as the role model for economic recovery, and they might be right if you are willing to wait ten years and fight a world war to get there.


50 posted on 10/03/2009 12:00:14 PM PDT by csmusaret (Joe Wilson--Speaking truth to power)
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