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Reform Unraveling
IBD Editorials ^ | September 28, 2009 | INVESTORS BUSINESS DAILY Staff

Posted on 09/28/2009 4:58:50 PM PDT by Kaslin

Tyranny: What kind of country would imprison citizens who felt it was in their best interest not to purchase health care insurance? We may soon find out.

Sen. John Ensign, a Nevada Republican, got an interesting handwritten note last week from the chief of staff of Congress' Joint Committee on Taxation. Tom Barthold told Ensign that an American who did not buy health care insurance or pay the fee — up to $1,900 — that is required from those who opt out would find themselves in deep trouble with the government.

"Violators could be charged with a misdemeanor and could face up to a year in jail or a $25,000 penalty, Barthold wrote on JCT letterhead," Politico reported.

Ensign was initially asking questions about the penalty that would be assessed anyone who did not buy medical insurance as mandated if the Baucus bill becomes law.

He wanted to know if the fine — originally $3,800 for a family but dropped to $1,900 after sharp GOP criticism — was a tax hike.

Barthold told Ensign the IRS would indeed "take you to court and undertake normal collection proceedings" if the fee wasn't paid.

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1 posted on 09/28/2009 4:58:50 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: bareford101; BerniesFriend; blaveda; Bookwoman; Celeste732; dsc; Faux_Pas; fortunecookie; ...

2 posted on 09/28/2009 5:00:26 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin; LucyT
So? Do you think the approval ratings are going to stop Obama's forced wealth distribution bill?

This bill IS NOT about health care. I wish people would start debatig the real issues.IRS privacy should not be violated by the bill. People should not be payinng for services on a slidinng fee scale ( the more you earn or have in assets, the more youo pay, IRS gives data to government agencies and HMOs,IR uses its power of seizure to collect on medical debts, ie. you get sick, you get poor).

Why the rush. We have no crisis. The rush is to take control of America and cow the populace into submission to a socialist state.That is the real issue. Our freedom.

And when America discovers that issue, after the fact perhaps, then the real probles will start. Americans will sell their freedom not at all, or very, very dearly.THATS THE REAL PROBLEM.

3 posted on 09/28/2009 5:06:42 PM PDT by Candor7 (The effective weapons against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (Member NRA)
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To: Kaslin

Don’t worry: the new tax won’t apply to Congress. :)


4 posted on 09/28/2009 5:10:18 PM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Kaslin
What kind of country would imprison citizens who felt it was in their best interest not to purchase health care insurance? We may soon find out.

I'd like to know when we can expect to see political ads from the RNC asking this very question.

5 posted on 09/28/2009 5:11:14 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (truth--the liberal's kryptonite.)
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To: Kaslin

This is tyranny writ large.


6 posted on 09/28/2009 5:12:12 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Kaslin
The only way this can be remotely Constitutional is if there is a deduction on Income taxes for those who have health insurance. The federal legislature has NEVER been given the power to require citizens to purchase health insurance. Taxes, other than income taxes, still must be apportioned and cannot fall alone on those without health insurance. If this is upheld in the Federal Courts it will be the final nail in the coffin of the Constitution.

Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the several states which may be included within this union, according to their respective numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole number of free persons, including those bound to service for a term of years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

7 posted on 09/28/2009 5:21:39 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: hinckley buzzard
We will see the rnc fight back against the left and the destruction of our Nation the second Tuesday of next week.

LLS

8 posted on 09/28/2009 5:25:27 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: Kaslin

It only solidifies our focus on getting rid of all of them begining in 2010 and ending in 2012. Make no mistake the GOP better shape up too,.


9 posted on 09/28/2009 5:25:36 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (Teach your children about American History!)
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To: Kaslin

Go ahead. Make our day! No vote!


10 posted on 09/28/2009 5:27:31 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Kaslin
"He wanted to know if the fine — originally $3,800 for a family but dropped to $1,900 after sharp GOP criticism — was a tax hike."

There you are, folks--another Republican compromise. No vote!


11 posted on 09/28/2009 5:28:38 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: Kaslin
There was a story I read earlier about Republicans in some of the more conservative states that were considering a constitutional amendment to their state constitutions saying citizens of that state could not be forced to participate in Obamacare or be required to maintain health insurance. I wonder how this would shake out in the courts?
12 posted on 09/28/2009 5:28:53 PM PDT by apillar
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To: ALPAPilot
The only way this can be remotely Constitutional is if there is a deduction on Income taxes for those who have health insurance.

WHAT!!??

Neither 'health insurance' or 'Income taxes' is mentioned in the Constitution!


The 10th Amendment states:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

13 posted on 09/28/2009 5:29:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: La Lydia

I’ll bet they still pass it. I sure hope I’m wrong ... it will change this country irrevocably.


14 posted on 09/28/2009 5:30:12 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I'd like to know when we can expect to see political ads from the RNC asking this very question.

Exactly. The agenda is to expand centralized government control over the citizenry; even though in a few politicians, giving the benefit of doubt, it may only be subconcious.

That is the self - identity of most politicians, manipulating, controlling, and impressing others. Which, incidentally, is also the desperation for identity in human juveniles.

There is NO service we can think of, except maybe the court system, that cannot be executed more efficiently, effectively, and honestly (through competition) by private enterprise. Especially in the contemporary world of communication, internets, celphones, self publishing, etc.

It is indeed all about control - the definition of the Left.

Relayed from the Suntrade Institute; you won't hear this from the Harvard School of Law, the CFR, or the Brookings Institution.

Johnny Suntrade

15 posted on 09/28/2009 5:40:05 PM PDT by jnsun
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To: familyop

Ballot box, meet Cartridge box.


16 posted on 09/28/2009 5:46:48 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (Tree of Liberty)
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To: Elsie
Amendment XVI to the Constitution was ratified in 1913

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

I'm sorry, but it's not my fault.

17 posted on 09/28/2009 5:51:33 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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Why the rush?

2 reasons.

1. They are probably going to lose seats next year.

2. Until they know they can get this passed, they can't pass immigration reform. Which will not only legalize 12,000,000 illegal aliens, but give them free health care, which of course will ad 12,000,000 Mexicans the the Dem voter rolls and reduce or eliminate reason #1.

I wonder how many of us would be willing to clog the courts and jails by refusing to pay the $1900?
18 posted on 09/28/2009 6:01:28 PM PDT by TruthBeforeAll (The Top 10 Most Murderous Cities (per capita) Are All Run By Democratic Mayors. - 2005 FBI Report)
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To: Kaslin

Tyranny is a b!t(th. And yet the blind and corrupt lust for it. It’s hard to believe the American people voted for oppression.


19 posted on 09/28/2009 6:02:04 PM PDT by EverOnward
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To: EverOnward

We Will See,
No Sense in Being Bitter.
200 yrs. We had a Good Run.
Sit Back , Relax ,Have a Drink.


20 posted on 09/28/2009 7:01:17 PM PDT by bravotu (Have a Nice Day !)
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