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Lost Vegas (People living in storm drains)
The UK Sun ^ | September 23, 2009 | Pete Samson

Posted on 09/23/2009 6:53:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

LOVEBIRDS Steven and Kathryn share a well-organised home in bustling Las Vegas. They have a neat, if compact kitchen, a furnished living area, and a bedroom complete with double bed, wardrobe and bookshelf featuring a wide selection including a Frank Sinatra biography and Spanish phrase book.

And they make their money in some of the biggest casinos in the world.

But their life is far from the ordinary.

Because, along with hundreds of others, the couple are part of a secret community living in the dark and dirty underground flood tunnels below the famous strip.

Rather than working in the bars or kitchens they "credit hustle", prowling the casinos searching the fruit machines for money or credits left by drunken gamblers.

Despite the risks from disease, highly venomous spiders and flooding washing them away, many of the tunnel people have put together elaborate camps with furniture, ornaments and shelves filled with belongings.

Steven and girlfriend Kathryn's base - under Caesar's Palace casino - is one of the most elaborate. They even have a kettle and a makeshift shower fabricated out of an office drinking water dispenser.

But their bed and many of their belongings are on crates to keep them off the damp floor.

Despite it being hot and dry outside, their tunnel is wet from water being sent down from nearby construction work.

As he gives a guided tour of home, Steven Dommermuth explains: "We use our imagination a lot.

"Our bed came from a skip outside an apartment complex. It's mainly stuff people dump that we pick up. One man's junk is another man's gold.

"We get the stuff late at night so people don't see us because it's kind of embarrassing."

He later gives directions to the tunnels' own art gallery, a collection of graffiti by local artists and some by the underground residents.

Steven moved into the tunnels two years ago after he lost his hotel front-desk job due to a heroin problem he claims he kicked in January.

He now works the same hotels credit-hustling, and his life retains other similarities with the one he left behind.

He says: "We work our way down the strip. The most I've ever found is 997 dollars (£609) on one machine. I've found about $500 a few times. But normally $20 or so is enough to call it a night.

"We buy food and supplies like shampoo and soap. Last night I went and watched the new Quentin Tarantino movie Inglourious Basterds up at the Palms Hotel."

Despite his established set-up, Steven claims he eventually wants to leave the tunnels but can't because of two outstanding arrest warrants from drug possession charges two years ago.

It is estimated the population of the underground community could be as many as 700. As well as credit-hustling, they earn their money off the wildly excessive city above by begging and "dumpster diving" - raiding bins and skips.

There are around 350 miles of flood channels running under Las Vegas. Most inhabitants are in the area under the city's strip.

Another couple, Amy and JR, have lived in the tunnels for two years, having moved to Las Vegas in search of work, wealth and a slice of the famous Sin City action.

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Putting down the Twilight vampire book she is reading for the third time, Amy, 33, explains: "My husband and I have been down here two years this week.

"We were living with my mom in California but the house was full and we had to leave.

"I heard Las Vegas was a good place for jobs. It's the city that never sleeps, with all the bright lights, and I'd always wanted to come.

"But it was tough and we started living under the staircase outside the MGM casino. Then we met a guy who lived in the tunnels. We've been down here ever since.

"I have my books, my CD player, crossword puzzles, some clothes and my picture of our son Brady, who was killed 11 years ago at four months old. The main dangers are the floods and the Black Widow spiders. But it's not a terrible place to be if you're homeless.

"It's much cooler than on the streets, we get a breeze coming through and the cops don't really bother you. It's quiet and everyone helps each other out down here.

"I hope to get out one day. But I want to stay in Las Vegas - I love it here."

Amy and JR met 13 years ago and even got married in one of the city's popular wedding chapels on Valentine's Day last year.

Their wedding had some similarities with the 110,000 other couples who get hitched in the city each year.

JR, 36, explains: "We got married in the Shalimar Chapel.

"We went to watch a show, then to McDonald's for dinner. We got a little bit drunk and did the other normal wedding day things - only we had to come back down here rather than go to a hotel room."

Some of those living there have been forced into the network of tunnels by the recession and difficult job market.

Food The economic downturn has hit the underground residents in their pockets too.

Amy and JR's neighbour Jamie, showing off a wristband he found that gives him free food all day at a hotel buffet, explains: "I've been down here since May.

"I've worked at a lot of the hotels, mainly in building and construction, but not for a couple of years. The jobs are harder to come by now.

"Now I credit hustle but there are lots more people doing it these days. Hundreds and hundreds. You see little old ladies doing it."

As for other entertainment in the tunnels, the 45-year-old adds: "We're big talk radio fans. And a few of us are accomplished musicians and have instruments here.

"One guy down here has a full-time job. I don't think gambling is the cause of many people being down here. It's more alcohol and drugs. We all gamble a bit - we're in Vegas."

Local writer Matthew O'Brien, who has had a book published about the tunnel people, called Beneath The Neon, has been working with Steven and others to help get people housed. He recently founded the Shine A Light foundation to aid them.

He explains: "I guide social workers into the tunnels, show them the terrain and introduce them to people.

"They offer these people services like health and drug counselling.

"We have got 12 to 15 people into houses in the last six months.

"But a lot of the people are very resistant to help. Many don't want to give up their addictions.

"They like their freedom and that no one is telling them what to do.

"They are scared of what's out there.

"To come out of the tunnel and face the world is intimidating for some of the people. Some are very much entrenched down in that tunnel and comfortable. That's why the charity doesn't like to give out too much food, water and clothing.

"We don't want them to get too comfortable because it is really an illusion. It can be extremely dangerous.

"It doesn't rain much in Nevada but when it does the tunnels can fill very quickly. There have been 20 drownings in the last 20 years and a lot of those were people who were living in the tunnels.

"Steve and Kathryn can say they feel like they have a home. But when it pours down three inches of rain in two hours it's clear it's not a home. It's a flood channel."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: bhoeconomy; dumpsterdiving; economy; homeless; jobless; lasvegas; obama; recession; unemployment
The Obamanation.
1 posted on 09/23/2009 6:53:13 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Move over folks - more of us are on the way thanks to ZERO!


2 posted on 09/23/2009 6:55:14 PM PDT by njslim
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obamavilles.


3 posted on 09/23/2009 6:55:32 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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4 posted on 09/23/2009 6:56:01 PM PDT by BGHater ("real price of every thing ... is the toil and trouble of acquiring it")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That’s nothing women in Sacramento, CA are beating their children for eating the last Porkchop in the house. Bozo has really made things better hasn’t he?


5 posted on 09/23/2009 6:56:30 PM PDT by celestron71
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

According to Cocteau’s plan, I’m the enemy, ‘cause I like to think, I like to read. I’m into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I’m the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, “Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?” I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal?


6 posted on 09/23/2009 6:59:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: njslim

I know people who are at of work who have never been out of work in their lives.

He wants to wipe out the middle class and seniors...baby boomers will be next.


7 posted on 09/23/2009 7:01:06 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is horrible.


8 posted on 09/23/2009 7:02:56 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>> I don’t think gambling is the cause of many people being down here. It’s more alcohol and drugs.

Lovely.


9 posted on 09/23/2009 7:05:40 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An American quoted as using the word skip for dumpster. Maybe. Maybe creative writing.


10 posted on 09/23/2009 7:06:23 PM PDT by Stentor
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To: Stentor
An American quoted as using the word skip for dumpster. Maybe. Maybe creative writing.

Yeah, I saw that.

Maybe the author inserted the term for the benefit of his readers in the UK.

Or maybe he made it all up.

11 posted on 09/23/2009 7:08:36 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Disgusting!


12 posted on 09/23/2009 7:14:52 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It doesn't rain much in Nevada but when it does the tunnels can fill very quickly....my parents were in Vegas once when a big rainstorm hit and flooded out half of the city - scariest thing they ever saw, they said - hope these guys have a liferaft stowed away somewhere along with their furnishings......
13 posted on 09/23/2009 7:14:59 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Frantzie

Have you watched the Will Ferrell video (Bill O’Reilly showed it tonight on his show)??? These actors are clueless, it’s bad for insurance exec’s to make money ergo we need everyone on a public plan and, I guess, screw the million or so middle American’s who make a living in the insurance industry. It’s okay for an uneducated actor or actress to make millions, but not for anyone else.


14 posted on 09/23/2009 7:17:20 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Ditter
There were always willingly homeless people. The difference now is there many more unwilling homeless. It's not just the tunnels in Vegas. It's people who camp year round, or the people who are living out of their cars.

The media here wouldn't dare write stories on the growing homeless population, not under an Obama rule. To the MSM, the question is “what homeless?”

15 posted on 09/23/2009 7:21:11 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This account seems a little exaggerated - black widow spiders aren’t that big of a problem, imo.

Otherwise, ...seems about right.


16 posted on 09/23/2009 7:25:50 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism - "Who-whom?")
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To: Rational Thought

I find Las Vegas disgusting on many levels, this is just one I was not aware of.


17 posted on 09/23/2009 7:26:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I used to think Will was okay but my dentist said he pushes the gay agenda in his movies. He was right.

We all need to boycott movies by these people.

Pretty much I stick to Brit and Aussie actors like Russell Crowe (AFAIK - not lib or political), Christian Bale (he yelled at his famous lib step mother to shut up), Gary Oldman - was enraged when liberals tried to use him in a movie and a few others.


18 posted on 09/23/2009 7:27:49 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's healthcare?)
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To: cripplecreek
“Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?” I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine.

Been there & done that.

19 posted on 09/23/2009 7:32:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not too long ago Rush had one of those big audio montages, with presstitute after presstitue marveling about how Obama has done so much to give more people FREE TIME —getting them away from the oppression of their formerly busy jobs, you know— and they went on and on about how great was.

They were overflowing with admiration, the way he’d gotten folks to get back to WHAT MATTERED.

DISGUSTING.

Can’t wait until the cam-corder kids are appointed as their overLords.


20 posted on 09/23/2009 7:32:25 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey, I live in Vegas. I’ve seen some hooches and tunnel dwellers before. But the bitch is when the tunnels flood once a blue moon. They always find a floater or two.


21 posted on 09/23/2009 7:33:09 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Army Air Corps

OBAMAVILLE

Gett’n a head fake, watchin’ msn’s take; All of their pundits oozing foul oil. Clean’n my six gun on my front porch swing. Felling my blood— It’s beginnin’ to boil.

Wasted away again in Obamaville, Searchin’ for a job so I can earn my salt. Some people claim that Bush is to blame, But I know it’s Obama’s fault.

There’s no rhyme or reason, They are all commitin’ treason With nothing to show but a brand new tax or two. But they are real beauties, Despotic duties, how they got passed I haven’t a clue.

Wasted away again in Obamaville, Searchin’ for a job so I can earn my salt. Some people claim that it’s Bush we should blame, Now I think,— hell with them it’s Obama’s fault.

I blew out my flip flop, Stepped on a pop top; Cut my heel, but I just cruise on back home. Because no medical care will the doctors render They say there’s little service I can tender And there’s no need for me to hang on.

Wasted away again in Obamaville Searchin’ for a job so I can earn my salt. Some people claim that Bush is to blame, But I know, it’s my own damn fault. Yes, and some people claim that Bush is to blame, And I know because of my vote it’s my own damn fault.


22 posted on 09/23/2009 7:33:17 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Frantzie

It disgusts me that people would take economic advice from an actor or actress... they all need to shut up and act.


23 posted on 09/23/2009 7:33:44 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Ditter

[I find Las Vegas disgusting on many levels, this is just one I was not aware of.]

You just haven’t met me yet.


24 posted on 09/23/2009 7:35:07 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: Ditter

I’ve heard the stories of homeless living in the tunnels for years. I suspect the number of people there now is probably far greater, and I would guess far higher then 700.


25 posted on 09/23/2009 7:35:59 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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*


26 posted on 09/23/2009 7:38:16 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: gaijin

So they’re making it seem as if Obama wrecking the economy is on purpose?

I’ve always suspected the Communists couldn’t take over without ruining the country deliberately first.


27 posted on 09/23/2009 8:06:57 PM PDT by ROTB ("By any means necessary" apparently includes helping pimp underage sex slaves, and serial lying.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
More hope and change.
Not the change that they were sold in February 2008 by The One:

“We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. We are the hope of those boys who have little; who've been told that they cannot have what they dream; that they cannot be what they imagine.

Yes they can. “

Remarks of Senator Barack Obama: Super Tuesday
Chicago, IL | February 05, 2008

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/02/05/remarks_of_senator_barack_obam_46.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=molWTfv8TYw

28 posted on 09/23/2009 8:15:50 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Just say no to Soylent Green health care)
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To: cripplecreek

Dennis Leary .
1 If the greatest paragraphs ever written.
I watched that on TV.
Loved every word of it.


29 posted on 09/23/2009 8:22:56 PM PDT by squibs
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To: Frantzie
well, Frantzie, you're right....including those workers who have had hours cut, the unemployment rate is probably closer to 20%.....

its going to be the property taxes that kill us....if we get the house paid off....

after listening to the commie today, I wonder where we'll be moving...

30 posted on 09/23/2009 8:25:11 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I thought skip were people who skipped out on their rent and had their belongings put out on the sidewalk.


31 posted on 09/23/2009 8:25:28 PM PDT by AUH2O Repub (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Ditter
"I find Las Vegas disgusting on many levels, this is just one I was not aware of."

me too.....and I like the slots....but vegas.....no.....Reno is really a run down place now but at least its not pretentious...

32 posted on 09/23/2009 8:27:06 PM PDT by cherry
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To: FastCoyote

I have been to LV many times, maybe I have met you.


33 posted on 09/23/2009 8:28:51 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: FastCoyote

What, exactly, is credit hustling? Is it a fancy term for panhandling?


34 posted on 09/23/2009 8:50:53 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
What, exactly, is credit hustling? Is it a fancy term for panhandling?

From the article:

Rather than working in the bars or kitchens they "credit hustle", prowling the casinos searching the fruit machines for money or credits left by drunken gamblers.

35 posted on 09/23/2009 8:53:10 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: AUH2O Repub
I thought skip were people who skipped out on their rent and had their belongings put out on the sidewalk.

"Skip" = "Dumpster" in England.

36 posted on 09/23/2009 8:55:10 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is nothing new. When Ronnie was the Prez, we saw articles about folks living in dugouts cut into the aides of the local arroyos. Average taxpayers don't worry about crackheads, drunks or the like. Rain takes care of a lot of the problem, but we left Las Vegas because of the gang problems.
37 posted on 09/23/2009 9:16:35 PM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obamaville.


38 posted on 09/23/2009 9:20:32 PM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: Army Air Corps

Beat me by... whatever...


39 posted on 09/23/2009 9:20:54 PM PDT by karnage (worn arguments and old attitudes)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Despite his established set-up, Steven claims he eventually wants to leave the tunnels but can't because of two outstanding arrest warrants from drug possession charges two years ago.

Two years?

Then this one really is Bush's FaultTM.

Cheers!

40 posted on 09/23/2009 9:25:34 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

for some reason i read this and thought of that t.v. show beauty and the beast. tunnel people hmmm. any of them look like lion men who love poetry?


41 posted on 09/23/2009 9:37:46 PM PDT by madamemayhem (defeat isn't getting knocked down, it's not getting back up)
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To: Vigilanteman
What, exactly, is credit hustling? Is it a fancy term for panhandling?

It's prowling the slot machines in the casinos, looking for credits that were left unclaimed and cashing them.

All the casinos -- at least on the south end of the strip -- have gone electronic. There are no coins. You put bills in the reader, and it maintains your balance until you cash out.

And when you cash out, you get a printed voucher. You can put it into another machine, or convert it to cash at one of the ATMs in the casino.

42 posted on 09/23/2009 9:47:24 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Maybe. Maybe not.

It may or may not be the fault of the man in the White House.

These people also have to be held accountable for their own actions and lives.

In fact, none of them sound either mentally disturbed or physically incapable--to me at least.

Therefore, we find the dilemma.

"Homeless"?

OR

"Prideless"?

If there is a job in the Las Vegas Sentinal calling for a ditch digger or an ambulance driver or a roadway flagman, even if it pays only enough to get a fleabag apartment above ground, will any of these people recover their HUMAN PRIDE, knock off the dumpster diving and pan handling, and go do an honest day's work for pay and get out of their situation?

Sorry. I hear nothing but lame excuses here.

And I cannot lay that all on Obama's doorstep, as much as I dislike HIM, too--and believe me, there is enough to be made about him these days.

In fact, I wish that the article would have ended with the reporter showing them four current job openings in Las Vegas and see what their reaction would be to going to an interview for them...

43 posted on 09/23/2009 11:19:57 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (That cracking-type noise? Oh, don't pay no never mind. That's just ACORN's nuts getting crushed.)
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To: Vigilanteman

[What, exactly, is credit hustling? Is it a fancy term for panhandling?]

No, I think it refers to people who get various freebie coupons and promotions from the casinos, as well as looking for unplayed slot credits, etc. I met some couple who was doing that once, but I can’t remember the details.


44 posted on 09/23/2009 11:42:44 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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