Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 09/13/2009 11:59:27 PM PDT by rabscuttle385
The second big bill before Congress is also in difficulties.
New York & Houston.
Compared with the argy-bargy over health-care reform, this summer’s public conversation about controlling carbon emissions has been a model of restraint. In August, a Zogby poll commissioned by the National Wildlife Federation found that 71% of likely voters in America support the Waxman-Markey bill, a proposal to create a cap-and-trade mechanism for carbon dioxide that cleared the House of Representatives in June. But the bill still faces an uphill climb in the Senate, which resumed work on September 8th.
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It appears that, between Obamacare, cap-and-tax, and amnesty resurrected...conservatarians will have their hands full for a while.
Or will they?
IMPEACH OBAMA!
Cap-and-tax needs to bite the dust.
How many blue dogs in Senate?
You'd think they'd at least try to make their rigged polls sound a little more believable. More like 71% are against it, but it had several trick questions in it, questions nobody can look over unless you pay a fortune for them.
I personally think the Cap and Trade bill is dead too. But as Mark Steyn has said, a tax bill that makes the economy even worse can be undone in the next Congress, but government health care would be a much tougher genie to put back in the bottle.
I think that in this case, and unusually, Mark Steyn is wrong. Once a price is put on carbon and trading commences it will be as hard to untangle as the health care debacle.
You can make the caps very high. Once you do that the value of the allotments drops and the market dries up and the whole thing can be scrapped. You might move the caps up gradually, but you can do it.
And this bill might hurt the economy so badly that the GOP would sweep into power in 2010 by large margins.
How did the polls commisioned by the NHRA & NASCAR fare?
Still waiting for that one, are we?
Certainley, they must have the Homeowners Heated by Coal and Fuel Oil poll in, no?
I'd be interested in the mythology and wildlife Zogby polled - were these fair weathered fowl that fly to warmer climes, deep sea glow worms, ticks that count on their reluctant hosts for heat, or did they simply take the temperature of a few random asses they found at the zoo again.
CO2 Cap and Tax is corporate welfare for Wall Street who gave us the housing bubble.
It will not make us less dependent on foreign. Cap and Tax will make us dependent on foreign Carbon Credits. How stupid is that?
CO2 Cap and Tax is corporate welfare for Wall Street who gave us the housing bubble.
It will not make us less dependent on foreign oil. Cap and Tax will make us dependent on foreign Carbon Credits. How stupid is that?
The first question was probably “Do you believe in man-made Global Warming?”
If the answer was no they ended the poll.
“CO2 Cap and Tax is corporate welfare for Wall Street who gave us the housing bubble.”
eh? it may be corporate welfare but only for GE and Al Gore’s company.
Most companies will suffer tremendously.
Small companies and private companies. But the large and politically connected companies like Goldman Sachs and GE will clean up. The potential financial bubble created by C&T is the natural successor to the dot com and housing bubbles.
That is irrelevant.
Do you believe in the 2007 Supreme Court Decision?
If the US Congress doesn't address this, then the EPA will and the EPA is not required to take cost/benefit into consideration.
Yup—companies who excel at trading things that don’t really exist will do well.
“Do you believe in the 2007 Supreme Court Decision”
I dunno, they made several, which one are you referring to.
“That is irrelevant.”
How is their use of false criteria to manipulate the poll irrelevant?
SCOTUS made only one decision on CO2, although they did make another significant decision on "new source review".
A google search of Supreme Court Carbon Dioxide will lead you to many articles published at the time.
A similar google news search will lead you to many current articles on EPA's moving forward to comply with SCOTUS.
As for the false criteria and polling, you need to distinguish between technical consensus, political consensus, and legal consensus.
So you make a post and expect others to do research to figure out what you mean. Good luck with that.
“As for the false criteria and polling, you need to distinguish between technical consensus, political consensus, and legal consensus.”
OORRRR you could take it in context and figure it out for yourself.
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