Posted on 08/19/2009 7:20:29 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
That should have started ‘OTOH’ ... tired fingers. Must get some sleep.
Like the non-discovery of Obama's birth certificate? Or any bit of his paper trail through life?
Maybe he truly is the Messiah and is traveling along some hidden curled-up dimension that we mere mortals are denied access to?
Quite possibly, yes, but such is often the fate of those who discover facts that challenge conventional/traditional beliefs.
bflr
669,600,000 miles per hour. Not just a good idea, it’s the law.
An American observatory hunting for ripples in space and time called gravitational waves has produced its most significant results yet, despite not having directly detected any.See, that's what I call perserverence. ;')
LOL. I will tell you soon.
Wendy, I am a serious scientist and a serious Christian. Big Bang is a very good observation/ hypothesis/ theory, and in fact is consistent with everything that this fundamentalist sees in The Book. I’m not certain it is correct, but it is hard for this physicist to find fault with the general observations and points of the general hypothesis.
These threads are so much fun. I think we are rather cruel to the Creats, but they are such worthy targets.
Has anyone ever thought about getting a scholarship fund together so we could send one to college? We do owe them something for all this high hilarity, and they take the abuse so well. They are good soldiers for a fact, though the idea that this is a war seems to be rather unilateral. ;-)
Even though Helen Thomas had geriatric onset arthritis.........
That's aside from Halton Arp's work and aside from the fact that the idea is so patently idiotic that it should be rejected on purely philosophical grounds before you even get to physics at all. Having all the mass of the universe collapsed to a point would be the ultimate black hole; nothing would ever "bang" its way out of that.
Likewise having a supposedly omniscient and omnipotent God suddenly 6K years ago or 17B years ago either one, doesn't matter, suddenly decide that creating a universe would be a cool thing to do while the idea had never occurred to him previously is basically against all logic.
Like I say the idea strikes me as bad physics and bad religion rolled into a package. The conclusion I come to is that the universe, like God, is basically eternal, the only evidence there has ever been for a "big bang" or expanding universe is, as Arp has demonstrated, nothing more than a misinterpretation of redshift data, and the creation stories we read in literature refer to the creation of our local environment and biosphere, and not to the universe itself.
Let's not mention arthritis, OK? Substitute geriatric dementia. That I don't think I have..... yet anyway.
Who says the mass was there "before" the big bang, if that is "before' had any reasonable meaning.
Modern Physics, and some not modern, is pure philosophy, just described with mathematics instead of some other language. It's not the fault of the theoreticians that some of us have a harder time with the math than others, although all eventually get to the point where they have some trouble with the math.
I’ve read some of the proofs, and some of the rebuttles to proofs on time dilation.
They often involve affects concerning the speed of light and/or gravity as mathematically demonstrable elements of the proofs and rebuttles.
I am of the belief that the affects of light-speed and gravity may have as much to do with (1) simply how things appear to be and (2)how those things affect our measuring devices, or how they work, themselves, but not actual “time”.
One can say that one clock is off because gravity created a dilation of time, just as the counter argument says gravity simply affected the other clock, the measuring instrument, not time.
So the speed of light is not believed to be a constant, after all?
My head is spinning.
Things like photons, black holes, gravity waves, dark matter, the "big bang" etc. etc. are going to be laughed at in future time. Nobody will believe anybody was ever stupid enough to believe in any of that stuff.
I have faith as you ain't a quitter!
;<)
You sure that picture isn’t Morgellons Fiber Disease?
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