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Democrats face crucial immigration test [and looking to McCain to "lead" the way]
Politico ^ | 2009-06-17 | Gebe Martinez

Posted on 06/17/2009 7:37:29 AM PDT by rabscuttle385

After twice postponing a highly anticipated meeting between President Barack Obama and congressional leaders on immigration reform, the White House is under increasing pressure to get legislation done this year.

Winning congressional approval of an immigration measure by December is a steep climb, with the economy, health care and energy higher on the president’s agenda. So far, Obama has promised only to begin the discussion at the summit set for next week.

But if the president does not move quickly, he will suffer the same fate as his predecessor, President George W. Bush, who left office acknowledging that failure to overhaul immigration laws was a top personal disappointment.

Bush promised reform but wasted political capital on other matters. When he finally turned to immigration, the GOP was deeply divided, and Hispanic voters — angered by conservatives’ nasty tone — rejected Republicans at the polls in 2006 and 2008.

Similarly, Obama now must answer not if but when immigration will be done. To succeed, he has to enlist the support of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a past champion of comprehensive immigration legislation, at least nine other Republicans in the Senate and a couple of dozen more in the House.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
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If he is silent on amnesty, the Democrats will crucify him.

If he joins the Democrats on amnesty, conservatives will crucify him.

Either way, McCain is cornered like the Rat that he is.

1 posted on 06/17/2009 7:37:29 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 06/17/2009 7:38:14 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

I don’t think it matters what McCain does. Amnesty will pass given this administration, the complicity and weakness of the Congress, and its agenda of building a voter army.


3 posted on 06/17/2009 7:39:49 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: rabscuttle385

And he’s facing an election at home. LOL


4 posted on 06/17/2009 7:40:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly!


5 posted on 06/17/2009 7:40:46 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain is up for reelection next year. His participation with Obama on amnesty should sink him in the Rep primary. It will be interesting to see what he does.


6 posted on 06/17/2009 7:45:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: EagleUSA

If amnesty passes, this country is destroyed with the stroke of a pen. It is over for the USA. Game, set, and match. There is no way to recover from it. Amnesty is forever.


7 posted on 06/17/2009 7:47:11 AM PDT by kabar
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To: EagleUSA

“Amnesty will pass given this administration, the complicity and weakness of the Congress, and its agenda of building a voter army.”

If Bush couldn’t get it through, I doubt that Obama will...


8 posted on 06/17/2009 7:47:45 AM PDT by babygene
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To: rabscuttle385
Hispanic voters — angered by conservatives’ nasty tone

Folks tend to get nasty when you invade their country, destroy the rule of law, take their jobs, suck up their government services and tax dollars, bankrupt their cities and states, march in their streets waving the flag of a foreign power, and vote illegally.

But, having said that, nothing matches the racist nastiness of the pro-illegals.


9 posted on 06/17/2009 7:48:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (God-fearing, life-respecting, liberty-loving conservatives are America's natural leaders.)
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To: kabar

This is a fight to the death..that will never go away.
We need to enlist the votes of some Rats who know they will loose the next election due to the unemployment and adding more workers.
Amnesity will be the death of democracy in the US..the death of our Republic.


10 posted on 06/17/2009 7:49:29 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: rabscuttle385
This is a dem issue - McCain needs to let them take the lead or at least have the wit to understand he's being used to hurt his fellow Republicans.

Then again McCain has a strong need to get in front of a camera - and the liberal MSM will always be there to record a Republican being a traitor to his party.

Odd how we've never seen the press running to hear a dem bash a dem - but the Republicans who are willing to bash other Republicans get ample air time.

Maybe McCain should call up ABC news - a group run by democrat insiders - (well with the face of a sweet old man reading the "news") and ask them if they'll cover him. ABC will be there with bells on - McCain will see his face on the nightly news and reporters will pretend to show interest in his old stories. All he has to do is sell us out one more time.

McCain and Jimmah Carter getting scummier as they get ancient.

11 posted on 06/17/2009 7:50:36 AM PDT by GOPJ (Main Stream Media (MSM) Renamed: Ministry of Truth (MOT) - -"Freedom is Slavery")
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To: rabscuttle385

Note: NO politician that endorses ANY “path to citizenship” for illegal invaders of my country will ever get my vote, and that includes Sarah Palin.


12 posted on 06/17/2009 7:50:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (God-fearing, life-respecting, liberty-loving conservatives are America's natural leaders.)
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To: rabscuttle385

13 posted on 06/17/2009 7:52:56 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (God-fearing, life-respecting, liberty-loving conservatives are America's natural leaders.)
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To: Oldexpat
Any legislation that legalizes the status of those who broke our laws by entering our country illegally and allows them to stay is amnesty. We must not only prevent the Democrats and some moderate Republicans from hijacking the meaning of the word amnesty, but the public must be made aware about the true impact of an amnesty. The Heritage Foundation concluded that the cost of amnesty alone would be $2.6 trillion. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers.

The impact of an amnesty should be the number one issue on the Republicans’ education agenda. Most polls show that Americans are solidly against amnesty, but a small plurality favors some sort of legalization. In an April 2009 Rasmussen poll of likely voters, in response to the question, “How important is it for the government to legalize the status of illegal aliens already in the United States?,” 23% deemed it very important and 25% somewhat important while 23% said it was not at all important and 22% said it was not very important.

If the public understood that legalizing the status of the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens would permit them to sponsor at least another 66 million more LEGAL immigrants, the poll results would be much different. On immigration generally, Americans want less, not more, immigration.

14 posted on 06/17/2009 7:58:53 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Zero will be looking for some “hate” incident to use as a lever to get coverage to aid the effort.
Plus there will be endless sob stories sold as fact.
Freepers in Rat districts need to work hard a email and calls to their congress critters.


15 posted on 06/17/2009 8:04:04 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: rabscuttle385
Bush promised reform but wasted political capital on other matters. When he finally turned to immigration, the GOP was deeply divided, and Hispanic voters — angered by conservatives’ nasty tone — rejected Republicans at the polls in 2006 and 2008.

Pure Bovine waste, they would have voted for the source of welfare period!!

16 posted on 06/17/2009 8:04:15 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: babygene
If Bush couldn’t get it through, I doubt that Obama will...

In 2006 amnesty [Hagel-Martinez] passed the Senate, but the Rep controlled House stopped it. McCain-Kennedy was stopped, but the lessons learned from that defeat will make it much more difficult the next time around. Obama and his allies will not try to ram it through in a hurry. There will be lots of propaganda and Orwellian use of language. The MSM will assist mightily. The Dems have overwhelming control of Congress now. If they can get a few Reps to go along with them, it will be a done deal.

The battle over amnesty will be fought in the House. Amnesty will pass easily in the Senate.

17 posted on 06/17/2009 8:05:58 AM PDT by kabar
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To: babygene
If Bush couldn’t get it through, I doubt that Obama will...

I really don't think his bell, is all that much for immigration reform.

18 posted on 06/17/2009 8:06:51 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: rabscuttle385
To succeed, he has to enlist the support of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a past champion of comprehensive immigration legislation, at least nine other Republicans in the Senate ...

Piece of cake. Look at the immigration action from a few years back, and the culprits will be clear. Brownback is one.

19 posted on 06/17/2009 8:08:25 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Oldexpat

Yep. There will be all kinds of sob stories about the mistreatment of immigrants [illegal,] hard working chasing the American dream.


20 posted on 06/17/2009 8:08:57 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cboldt

23 Reps voted for Hagel-Martinez in 2006. Bennett, Gregg, Lugar, Martinez, McConnell, Murkowski, Snowe, Collins, and Voinovich along with McCain and Graham are still around. Specter also voted for it. The Senate is a lost cause.


21 posted on 06/17/2009 8:15:39 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar


22 posted on 06/17/2009 8:16:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (God-fearing, life-respecting, liberty-loving conservatives are America's natural leaders.)
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To: kabar
-- The Senate is a lost cause. --

Yep. I watched it close for a couple years, and the knowledge gained validated my cynicism. A bigger nest of lying sacks you will not find elsewhere in the country, maybe not the world. The three that are approximately honest (DeMint, Coburn, and Sessions) ought to get out.

23 posted on 06/17/2009 8:22:44 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: rabscuttle385

“...suffer the same fate as his predecessor...” Yeah! He’ll wind up doing what the American people want! Now won’t that be just AWFUL, Politico?


24 posted on 06/17/2009 8:28:43 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: rabscuttle385

Amnesty for current illegals means they won’t be illegals anymore & will qualify for socialized medicine. There are millions of them. An amnesty program will cost billions of dollars because of this alone!!


25 posted on 06/17/2009 8:39:47 AM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Note: NO politician that endorses ANY “path to citizenship” for illegal invaders of my country will ever get my vote, and that includes Sarah Palin.”

Unfortunately, in spite of her pro-amnesty position, there are many here and elsewhere, even some who oppose amnesty, who are pushing her to the forefront, because they believe she’s the one to beat Obama. They did the same with Fred “not blanket amnesty” Thompson.


26 posted on 06/17/2009 9:00:35 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (PALIN - Supports a "path to citizenship" for ILLEGAL ALIENS.........../.......... Sanford '12)
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To: Kimberly GG

It’s crazy. We’re talking about the demographic destruction of our free republic, the total loss of our sovereignty as a people, and a clear and present danger to the security and safety of our people.


27 posted on 06/17/2009 9:06:57 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO = "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: rabscuttle385

OBAMA: We have an immigration CRISIS!


28 posted on 06/17/2009 9:12:42 AM PDT by SMM48
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To: rabscuttle385

McCain, Democrat leader. Yep. Makes sense.


29 posted on 06/17/2009 9:30:39 AM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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30 posted on 06/17/2009 9:57:21 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: rabscuttle385
Yeah, let the GOP take the bullet for this disaster.

The dummies will probably agree to perform the service.

31 posted on 06/17/2009 10:01:21 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: rabscuttle385
Its important to know that the term hispanic means nothing - its subterfuge being used for political intimidation & didn't even exist 35 years ago.

Over half of all "hispanics" consider themselves white.

32 posted on 06/17/2009 10:05:34 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: rabscuttle385

Phoenix is now the Kidnapping Capitol of the US. Kidnapping is a uniquely Latin American crime.


33 posted on 06/17/2009 10:06:18 AM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: EternalVigilance
Hispanic voters — angered by conservatives’ nasty tone opting for the bigger basket of freebies offered by the Democrats — rejected Republicans at the polls in 2006 and 2008.

There. Fixed it.

34 posted on 06/17/2009 10:06:52 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or, are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: skeeter

Well, I taught in the barrio and it was all about trying to find the right word. Chicana was popular only very briefly—older, traditional Americans of Hispanic descent resented the term. I don’t blame them. Frankly, I hate all these appellations and hyphenations. If you want to draw a distinction, refer to American first, then descent last. At least, I think that’s the mannerly way to go about it.


35 posted on 06/17/2009 10:09:28 AM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: Mamzelle
refer to American first

Unless, of course, they're not Americans.

36 posted on 06/17/2009 10:11:45 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO = "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: EternalVigilance

Well, lawful resident aliens. It seems to me that the ones most hurt by illegal aliens are either recent citizens or legal resident aliens.


37 posted on 06/17/2009 10:43:03 AM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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To: Mamzelle

I’m not trying to be mean, but lawful resident aliens are not Americans either.

Otherwise, I agree. The most vociferous opponents I know of illegal immigration are those who came here legally.


38 posted on 06/17/2009 10:55:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (TATBO = "Throw All The Bums Out")
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To: Mamzelle
As long as it pays it will always be about using the right word.

We should all be disgusted by such distinctions.

39 posted on 06/17/2009 11:19:20 AM PDT by skeeter
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