Posted on 06/07/2009 4:13:34 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
THis is a smokescreen to protect the Kenyan ....
Is Ms. Okubo saying that the previous statement from Hawaii state health director Dr. Chiyome Fukino is not true?
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Why does everyone in Hawaii have a different story?
> The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
As the Church Lady might say, “How Conveeeeenient!”
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My take, that does not circumvent what the law was then. If he had a long form issued and placed on file, any new law stating they no longer do that, or whatever they are trying to feed us, has no impact. I am sure they may have changed the laws on obtaining a birth certificate if you were not born of the islands but a parent was a resident (not sure, but...).
The requirements for president come from the Constitution, which is not, in fact, a "federal government agency." And actually, even a birth certificate (or it's various definitions) is not the issue here.
The actual issue is very simple: where was he born?
“Why does everyone in Hawaii have a different story?”
To them, it’s the same story, only different....or something equally confusing.
I bet parents are so proud to have their CD-ROM with the Hawaii COLB of their child framed. < /sarc>
Stalinists love revisionist history.
The Constitution is silent on mechanism for proving place of birth.
It appears possible Chester Arthur, 19th century president, was actually born a few miles inside Canada. If true, nobody cared at the time.
A good question for Janice Okubo, who knows whether Hawaii issued O’s purported COLB and in what form, would have been whether, after reveiwing her files, she recognizes the document on Os public website.
She doesnt have to be a forensic expert to respond to that question and the document is in the public realm.
That was then, this is now. Chester Arthur wasn’t a marxist, socialist pig trying to destroy our country. We need that birth certificate asap!
You are wrong, and it does nothing to settle the issue, where he is born does not establish Natural Born Citizenship status, period.
Then why won't he admit he was born in Kenya? Yes, there are other considerations, such as the mother's age, and the amount of time spent in the US by each of the parents, and whether the area of birth was a US territory and the parents were there under official duty, etc. But in this particular case, exactly, precisely where he was born is the starting point of all the other considerations, and enough is now known about the other variables that have to be considered that determining where, exactly, precisely he was born would settle the issue of his Consitutional legitimacy for the presidency.
Period.
Talisker has a good point, the threshold issue is where was he born. If Kenya, he is instantly unqualified because his mother was not of sufficient age to confer any citizenship. Game over.
If your point is...”where he is born does not establish Natural Born Citizenship status, period.”, I agree.
Unfortunately for many of us, there are a number of Republican members of Congress who are accomplished attorneys and they looked the other way regarding O’s father. There may be a real question whether a USSC would stand up and say all those sophisticated folks are incorrect, O needed a citizen father to be natural born.
Moreover, I suspect the prevailing attitude of our elected representatives would be to allow O to renounce any other “outdated” citizenship he may be hauling around, “in order to get on with business”.
How convenient for Obama.... AND Hawaii.
Nothing to hide, eh Barry?
Barry’s Transparency and Open Government ping.
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