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VAT Is No Answer
IBD Editorials ^ | May 27, 2009

Posted on 05/27/2009 7:11:38 PM PDT by Kaslin

Fiscal Policy: Given the number of new tax ideas making the rounds, you'd think we were in a rip-roaring expansion. But we're not, and new taxes are exactly the wrong thing to be proposing.


In addition to kicking up taxes on the so-called wealthy, various members of the current administration seem to have lots of new ideas for separating Americans from their money.

Ezekiel Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel, President Obama's top aide, is health care adviser to Obama's budget director, Peter Orszag. He wants a 10% value-added tax (VAT), similar to the European Union's, to "pay" for health care reform.

It's called value-added, but it's really value subtracted — a tax imposed on each level of production, from raw goods to consumers.

In Congress, meanwhile, Democrats are pushing for an Internet tax and a cap-and-trade tax on energy use. They want more money. What better way than to tax something people now use for free?

No question, if current spending plans remain in place, the federal government will need a lot more money.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial
KEYWORDS: added; tax; value; vat
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1 posted on 05/27/2009 7:11:38 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Cut government by 3 percent every year. Every year.


2 posted on 05/27/2009 7:15:17 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Kaslin

If we could replace the income tax with a VAT, I’d be all for it. For one thing, it would even the playing field against the EU. They get to tax our products, but we don’t get to tax them. So it would lead to something closer to fair trade.

But of course the plan is to simply pile one tax upon another. Income taxes, sales taxes, death taxes, capital gains taxes, liquor taxes, cigarette taxes, gas taxes, you name it and it’s in the works.


3 posted on 05/27/2009 7:16:02 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Kaslin

Is taxing health benefits and this VAT “trial baloons”???

Both will effect nearly everyone in this country. It would be a disaster.


4 posted on 05/27/2009 7:16:07 PM PDT by ak267
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To: Kaslin
I hope the Democrats do it. Eventually they will discover all the new taxes aren't closing the federal deficit and they will have to cut spending. Its already set to happen in California.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 05/27/2009 7:18:17 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...
Imposing a VAT alone is bad enough but matters are made worse by doing so while maintaining the federal income tax. The far better alternative is to replace federal income taxes with a non VAT consumption tax and abolish the IRS with The Fair Tax Act(HR25/S296). Fair Tax ping!


6 posted on 05/27/2009 7:18:39 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Kaslin

Zero want to make us into the UK. VAT and NHS.


7 posted on 05/27/2009 7:19:07 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Kaslin
The left has been waiting for this opportunity for years; I remember reading something from George Meany, or some other well known labor leader about 30 years ago-advocating a VAT tax to pay for health care.

So a VAT tax, cap and trade tax etc. Still won't be enough.
Government spending increasing by leaps and bounds and tax revenue falling. For the first time in my life, I really worry for this country. We could see the end of the dollar's use as a reserve currency and massive increases in the money supply-inflation at 20% or more per year-and the destruction of the middle class-something the left has long desired.

What is so sad is that this is going on and few if any Republican senators or congresspeople are doing or saying anything about it. The closing down of Chrysler dealers who are contributors to Republicans and keeping open deals who contribute to Demorats is simply corporate fascism.

8 posted on 05/27/2009 7:21:22 PM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Kaslin
A VAT, in addition to excise taxes and hidden taxes (telephone) and income taxes would be the last straw.

Which tax do they propose to permanently remove?

If the answer is "none", I see the final recipe for armed insurrection.

Even sheep have a limit of tolerance.

9 posted on 05/27/2009 7:31:24 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Cicero
a tax imposed on each level of production, from raw goods to consumers.

Except when you tax something, you get less of it. This is a tax on domestic production and will add between 30 and 50 percent (or more if there are several levels of production) on everything produced in the US. Ask the UAW what they think about the few remaining US automakers moving production to China.

10 posted on 05/27/2009 7:33:23 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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Well, if they had a VAT but cut the income tax an equal amount, then that would cut labor costs. You wouldn’t have to pay workers as much if they were taxed less, and they’d still have the same takehome pay.

ANY tax is a drag on the economy. But if the Euros have the VAT and we don’t, it means that free trade is badly skewed against us.


11 posted on 05/27/2009 7:41:38 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: goldstategop

the democrats cutting spending? I am afraid you are dreaming.


12 posted on 05/27/2009 7:46:59 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for 0bama: One Bad Ass Mistake America)
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To: Cicero

Our production wouldn’t go to Europe. It would go to places without a VAT and with low wages. Southeast Asia and China.


13 posted on 05/27/2009 7:51:14 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Kaslin
brother of Rahm Emanuel

Raising taxes? An unpopular move - better to have stayed with Billy Beer (Jimmy Carter's brother if you're too young to remember)


14 posted on 05/27/2009 7:56:18 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: Kaslin

If I had my druthers, we’d pass a constitutional amendment specifying that the federal government can get its revenue from only two sources: tariffs and sales tax.

Tariffs and sales taxes are truth in taxation. Anything else provides a smoke screen.


15 posted on 05/27/2009 8:00:09 PM PDT by StonyMan451
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...or it will create a massive underground economy like that in England.

“Hi, your brick work is $500, but pay me in cash and I won't charge you VAT.”

The govt. loses out on the VAT, and the income doesn't get reported for the workers income tax either. A double loss.

16 posted on 05/27/2009 8:24:59 PM PDT by az_gila (AZ - need less democrats - one Governor down... more to go.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

China has a VAT. My understanding is, they reimburse the VAT on any products exported. In effect, it’s a tax-break to their domestic manufacturers who compete in international markets.

Would not support a VAT as a way to finance some socialist boondoggle. I am keeping an open mind as to any way to lower trade deficits or give our domestic manufacturers an edge overseas. A VAT is just a tool. How it’s applied is the rub.


17 posted on 05/27/2009 10:18:51 PM PDT by CowboyJay (RiNO - It's 'what's for dinner'...)
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To: Kaslin

VAT would be wonderful if replaced by Federal Taxes regardless of percentage. I would love to pick and chose what to buy and when to pay the VAT. That would be conservative policy at it’s finest. Of course no taxes at all would be nice.


18 posted on 05/28/2009 12:18:32 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: CowboyJay

With the ‘Rats in power, you can guarantee that a VAT would be used for a socialist program to buy votes, mostly from those who would be laid off as the few remaining factories closed.


19 posted on 05/28/2009 6:04:40 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Kaslin

Obama Man Song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhhkF3dqXR0&feature=player_embedded


20 posted on 05/28/2009 6:07:21 AM PDT by goldi
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