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Is Taliban getting U.S.-supplied ammo?
StarTribune ^ | 5/19/09 | C.J. CHIVERS, New York Times

Posted on 05/19/2009 8:15:14 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

Insurgents in Afghanistan, fighting from some of the world's poorest and most remote regions, have managed to maintain a guerrilla war against materially superior U.S. and Afghan forces.

Arms and ordnance collected from dead insurgents hint at one possible reason: Of 30 rifle magazines recently taken from insurgents' corpses, at least 17 contained cartridges identical to ammunition that the United States had provided to Afghan government forces.

The presence of this ammunition among the dead in an area of fighting near the Pakistan border suggests that munitions procured by the Pentagon have leaked from Afghan forces for use against U.S. troops.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; supplylines; taliban
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No wonder I can't feed my 'kids'.....
1 posted on 05/19/2009 8:15:14 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
How do you trust any of these people.
2 posted on 05/19/2009 8:17:30 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

At least they’re not saying it’s coming from the Gun Show Loopholes in the US like we hear ad nauseum regarding Mexico.


3 posted on 05/19/2009 8:22:30 PM PDT by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey

Give it time.....


4 posted on 05/19/2009 8:23:55 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR. ....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: Cheetahcat

I don’t....


5 posted on 05/19/2009 8:24:29 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR. ....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Lots of Mujahideen leftovers from russian afghan conflict remain. As well intercepted / hijacked contracted trucking etc has munitions on board. Multiple sources in addition to illegal or political redirects.

Just what I saw and my opinion......


6 posted on 05/19/2009 8:24:31 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The Taliban uses Ak-47s. The Afghan Army (except a few elite units) uses Ak-47s. They all use new Chinese Ammo and left over Russian ammo.


7 posted on 05/19/2009 8:24:52 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

What a flippin surprise


8 posted on 05/19/2009 8:24:58 PM PDT by mylife (The Big Tent Is A Big Mistake)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Somebody bought a crapload of 7.62x39. Those Russian factories turn it out by the shipload. It has been scarce for over a year now. Someone bought up enough to start a decent sized war.


9 posted on 05/19/2009 8:25:32 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: 2banana

WOLF?


10 posted on 05/19/2009 8:26:33 PM PDT by Concho ( No Birth Certificate-No Census!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Obama’s fault.


11 posted on 05/19/2009 8:27:59 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

“The presence of this ammunition among the dead in an area of fighting near the Pakistan border suggests that munitions procured by the Pentagon have leaked from Afghan forces for use against U.S. troops.”

Honestly, I would not be surprised. During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Afghani government troops were often more sympathetic to the Mujahadeen rebels than the “allied” Soviet troops. I can’t help but think Taliban forces have more than a few sympathetic ears in the current Afghani Army.

I also think you could have a case where soldiers or civilians are doing business with elements of the Taliban not so much out of sympathy but greed. I bet the Tallies are paying well for ammo and weapons - probably a lot more than a supply clerk makes in a week or month.

All just speculation on my part, of course. If it is indeed the case, I’m hoping our guys find the “leakers” very soon (and find a lovely spot in the desert to bury what’s left of them).


12 posted on 05/19/2009 8:29:33 PM PDT by DemforBush (Somebody wake me when sanity has returned to the nation.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

The NYT is a propaganda and disinformation rag..


13 posted on 05/19/2009 8:35:56 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Just wait until the same is found out about Mexico...


14 posted on 05/19/2009 9:03:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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I know.....I know....


15 posted on 05/19/2009 9:05:26 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR. ....Monthly Donors Wanted.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Holy cow, if this is true - that’s why you can’t get Wolf ammo in the US anymore! 3 years ago we were swimming in the stuff! US Gov is buying it all up!


16 posted on 05/19/2009 9:06:34 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

This is total BS. Wolf is a Russian firm that is probably the largest distributor of 7.62x39 in the world which is the main cartridge used by the jihadis. I would be surprised if they didn’t find it. It is sold in the US but also sold all over the world. I doubt if there is any evidence that this ammo was sold in the US or to the US military before ending up in terrorist possession. Same for the Czech ammo which is probably cold war surplus. Look to Russia for the connection.


17 posted on 05/19/2009 9:10:26 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: hosepipe
The NYT is a propaganda and disinformation rag..

The headstamps mean very little in themselves. Study of lot numbers on the wooden cases, and shipping data from the pallets would say much more. Fat chance of finding that out.

And they want us to use serial-numbered ammo?

18 posted on 05/19/2009 9:16:05 PM PDT by 300winmag (Zero to abject failure in under a month. A new land speed record!)
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To: FreeInWV
Somebody bought a crapload of 7.62x39. Those Russian factories turn it out by the shipload. It has been scarce for over a year now. Someone bought up enough to start a decent sized war.

I keep hearing that the permits required to bring it in are being held up.

Of course, this is only hearsay, and I would appreciate if someone could provide information to either verify or refute the rumor.

19 posted on 05/19/2009 9:52:39 PM PDT by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

One well placed nuke and we wouldn’t have an ammo shortage!


20 posted on 05/19/2009 10:01:31 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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