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Club for Growth Wears on Some Republicans
Wall Street Journal ^ | May 18, 2009 | Naftali Bendavid

Posted on 05/17/2009 9:20:34 PM PDT by reaganaut1

Pennsylvania Sen. Arlen Specter's switch to the Democratic Party underscores the clout of Club For Growth, a conservative group that targets Republicans it brands insufficiently committed to low taxes and small government.

The move also has inflamed a debate within the party: Are the group's tactics good or bad for Republicans? [welcome to the club]

Mr. Specter fingered Club For Growth as the key factor behind his decision, saying he would have lost the Republican primary to a Club-backed rival. His decision has prompted some Republicans to turn on the organization, saying it backs those who are so conservative that they then lose to Democrats.

"If their goal is to increase the Democrats' numbers in Congress, they're doing a very good job," said Rep. Steven LaTourette (R., Ohio), a moderate who won his seat in 1994. "Do they want a permanent minority of 140 people as pure as Caesar's wife, or a Republican majority that can get them 70% of the issues that are important to them?" (Republicans hold 178 of the 435 House seats and 40 of 100 Senate seats.)

The group's leaders insist its actions only help the party.

"The Club focuses on issues that are the Republican brand -- economic-freedom issues," said Chris Chocola, a former Republican congressman from Indiana who now heads the organization. "I don't think we lost the majority because we stuck to those issues. We lost the majority because we strayed from those issues."

Pat Toomey, the previous Club president, jumped into the Pennsylvania Senate race after Mr. Specter became one of only three Republicans in Congress to vote for President Barack Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus plan.

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KEYWORDS: chocola; clubforgrowth; specter; toomey
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In Specter's case, it was his stimulus vote that drove his polls so low among Pennsylvania Republicans, not some media campaign by the Club for Growth. Even if the Club was responsible for his departure, he was hardly a Republican in the first place.
1 posted on 05/17/2009 9:20:35 PM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

I suport the Club for Growth. Specter was a traitor and just not very swift in general. We are a better party without so many “nice old men”.


2 posted on 05/17/2009 9:22:38 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Those that have nothing to hide welcome debate.)
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To: reaganaut1

Club for growth wears on most rinos.Fixed


3 posted on 05/17/2009 9:25:56 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: imahawk

BUMP


4 posted on 05/17/2009 9:26:47 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: reaganaut1
a conservative group that targets Republicans it brands insufficiently committed to low taxes and small government.

Yeah...NO one likes low taxes or limited power in government...

Amerika, what were you thinking?

5 posted on 05/17/2009 9:26:58 PM PDT by NorCoGOP (Recession: friend loses his job. Depression: You lose your job. Recovery: Obama loses his job.)
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To: reaganaut1

The only Republicans complaining are the RINOs. But their whining is a good thing, as it makes them easier to find and target for electoral abortion.


6 posted on 05/17/2009 9:27:17 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: reaganaut1
"I don't think we lost the majority because we stuck to those issues. We lost the majority because we strayed from those issues."

BINGO!!!!

Regardless what anyone thinks about the Club for Growth - they are a pro-fiscal conservative group (something that the RINOs claim to be) so precisely what is the problem?

Either RINOs aren't really "fiscal conservatives" (like they also aren't "social conservatives")-- or they are liberal, in which case, they belong to the DemocRAT Party.

End of subject - good bye!

7 posted on 05/17/2009 9:27:29 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Maelstorm

Specter is scum. I used to contribute to Club for Growth until Steve Moore started writing pro-illegal immigration editorials in the WSJ.


8 posted on 05/17/2009 9:28:07 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: reaganaut1
The Berlin wall fell. The Democrats are building a Berlin wall and the GOP helps them brick by brick. The GOP is spineless. Small government and the free market works. The big tent RINOs are morons.
9 posted on 05/17/2009 9:28:44 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: reaganaut1
"If their goal is to increase the Democrats' numbers in Congress, they're doing a very good job," said Rep. Steven LaTourette (R., Ohio), a moderate who won his seat in 1994.

No, Mr. LaTourette, it is the ineptitude of your type that has hurt the GOP brand. For goodness sakes, if we can't even agree that smart economic policies and limited government are worthy causes, then conservatives and moderates will never agree on anything. What the CFG champions is hardly controversial if you are an American that believes in the free market system that made this country great. But now people like that are extremists, apparently.

10 posted on 05/17/2009 9:28:45 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (The Democrat Party is a criminal enterprise.)
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To: reaganaut1

Proud member. Good riddance to bad repubs. If we had ANYTHING to do with Specter becoming the (har har,) junior dem on all his committees, well that is just icing.


11 posted on 05/17/2009 9:30:26 PM PDT by MestaMachine (From Cogs to Castles...)
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To: reaganaut1
Mr. Specter fingered Club For Growth as the key factor behind his decision, saying he would have lost the Republican primary to a Club-backed rival.

Economic issues are never what the GOP loses on. It's really secondary issues like stem-cell research, Terri Schiavo, teaching creationism, and being painted as poor stewards of the environment that sink the GOP.
Yes, there are a few loons that get elected to the local school board then try and teach the book of Genesis in high school science class. That should not be what defines the GOP and those nuts should be repudiated.

12 posted on 05/17/2009 9:30:37 PM PDT by Birch T. Barlow (Go Mariners! Certain 2009 AL West champions!)
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To: Major Matt Mason

Isn’t laTourette a syndrome?


13 posted on 05/17/2009 9:32:09 PM PDT by MestaMachine (From Cogs to Castles...)
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To: reaganaut1
"If their goal is to increase the Democrats' numbers in Congress, they're doing a very good job,"

The Congressman obviously fails to understand why the Dems' numbers increased, and it has nothing to do with the CFG. Why would conservatives want to support tax-and-spend Republicans?

14 posted on 05/17/2009 9:32:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: reaganaut1

15 posted on 05/17/2009 9:34:29 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon

16 posted on 05/17/2009 9:36:37 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Birch T. Barlow
Economic issues are never what the GOP loses on.

Between Bush and McLame agreeing with the 'Rats who needs enemies. The big tent RINOs doom the GOP and the economy. They deserve to be fired. Socialism fails every time it's tried. If you don't believe in the free market and small govenment then you are a Democrat. End of discussion.

17 posted on 05/17/2009 9:37:26 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: roses of sharon

More like how the GOP lost the will to fight and rolled over to line their pockets like Democrats do.


18 posted on 05/17/2009 9:39:31 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: reaganaut1

Thing is, the CFG does not even address social issues like abortion, guns, marriage, etc., which are supposedly the issues on which Republicans are “out of touch with voters” on.

Technically, a “moderate” could be liberal to his heart’s content on social issues and still win the CFG’s endorsement.

My point is that if a Republican can’t be principled on issues like spending and the growth of government, then what could he possibly be principled about? There’s nothing left.


19 posted on 05/17/2009 9:40:32 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr a)
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To: Birch T. Barlow

“Economic issues are never what the GOP loses on.”

WoW... Ever hear the phrase, “It’s the economy, stupid?”


20 posted on 05/17/2009 9:41:54 PM PDT by MestaMachine (From Cogs to Castles...)
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To: reaganaut1

Agreed, always a Liberal, Spector just changed the letter following his name. Thankfully, the Dims toshed him, fair warning to other faint hearted Pubbies.


21 posted on 05/17/2009 9:43:55 PM PDT by Rembrandt
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To: reaganaut1
There is a fight underway for the future of the GOP between Conservatives and Opportunists (aka RINOs). Conservatives are those who rely on principles and conviction in their decision making process and Opportunists are those who will say or do whatever it takes to get elected. If the conservatives fail in this fight they will walk away from the GOP en masse.
22 posted on 05/17/2009 9:45:36 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: reaganaut1

Keep up the good work Club for Growth!! Look at what the Republican Party is trying to feed us now, they want Charlie Crist (FL) who backed porkulus, Mark Kirk (IL) who is more with Pelosi than most conservatives, don’t want to support Pat Toomey.

You have to keep their feet to the fire at election time.


23 posted on 05/17/2009 9:46:30 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: reaganaut1

If Spekter signaled out the Club for Growth as a big factor in his decision, then they must be doing something right.


24 posted on 05/17/2009 9:48:19 PM PDT by Prospero (non est ad astra mollis e terris via)
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To: reaganaut1

Club for Growth is one of my favorites! Limited Government should be the #1 tenet of the Republican party.


25 posted on 05/17/2009 9:48:26 PM PDT by byteback
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To: reaganaut1

So I guess that the big tent doesn’t include the conservative side and those opinions.

Which make sense since being the Demo-lite is working out so well for the Republicans.


26 posted on 05/17/2009 9:52:49 PM PDT by rbbeachkid (The ONLY ones able to fix the economy - Small Business Owners!)
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To: reaganaut1
Rep. Steven LaTourette (R., Ohio), a moderate who won his seat in 1994.

Another Washingtonian who forgot the address of his hometown in Ohio a long time ago.

27 posted on 05/17/2009 9:52:51 PM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: denydenydeny

rightrightright


28 posted on 05/17/2009 10:05:46 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: reaganaut1

The CFG pretty much sucks, like most republican organizations.


29 posted on 05/17/2009 10:06:51 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: roses of sharon

The Republican Revolution was ended by the Republicans, bunch of incompetent boobs that they are.


30 posted on 05/17/2009 10:09:55 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: reaganaut1
saying he would have lost the Republican primary to a Club-backed rival. <<<<<<

Run u ba$tard RUN!!!.........someone will ease your misery with a bullet in your back

31 posted on 05/17/2009 10:16:04 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: rabscuttle385
Bingo!!!.....I wanna see where they poop! ..Cowards!!!
32 posted on 05/17/2009 10:18:31 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: roses of sharon
Sorry..but that boils my ass
33 posted on 05/17/2009 10:22:49 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: Natural Law
Lets Roll!!!
34 posted on 05/17/2009 10:31:42 PM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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To: reaganaut1

If you want an entrenched Washington controlled party that doesn’t need to answer to the people who put them there, don’t support what the Club for Growth is doing. Incumbency good. Democracy bad.


35 posted on 05/17/2009 10:55:02 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Frantzie
Specter is scum. I used to contribute to Club for Growth until Steve Moore started writing pro-illegal immigration editorials in the WSJ.

If Club for Growth supports illegal immigration, that may be why they dissed Duncan Hunter in his bid for the nomination.

36 posted on 05/17/2009 11:01:13 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: Frantzie

Well, that’s disappointing to hear.


37 posted on 05/17/2009 11:02:15 PM PDT by Rastus (Jedi mind tricks would work on Obama.)
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To: pissant

Am I remembering correctly, pissant, didn’t club for growth shaft Duncan Hunter?


38 posted on 05/17/2009 11:10:14 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: upsdriver

That turned me off on the CFG also. It does look like they gave support to Lamborn though, and he is quite hawkish on borders. So apparently they’re not 100% ideological on their stance.


39 posted on 05/17/2009 11:15:05 PM PDT by CowboyJay (How does one 'eff' the 'ineffible'?)
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To: CowboyJay

It could have been Hunter’s tough talk on China trade as well now that I think of it. At any rate, Duncan Hunter was a pure conservative running for president and should have been supported by a so-called conservative group.


40 posted on 05/17/2009 11:19:37 PM PDT by upsdriver
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To: reaganaut1

“If their goal is to increase the Democrats’ numbers in Congress, they’re doing a very good job,” said Rep. Steven LaTourette (R., Ohio), a moderate who won his seat in 1994.”

How blind can this guy be. McCain WAS your candidate. So was Dole and Bush 1 vs. Clinton. All losers and ‘compromisers’ with no gain for our side. Democrats won big in ‘06 and ‘08 BECAUSE most Republicans acted like Democrats from 2000 to 2006, not because they ‘stuck to the principles of CFG and conservatism.

THE 40 R’s VOTING FOR SCHIP EXPANSION
Listed alphabetically, by state, and by last name within each state
Don Young (AK)
Mike Rogers (AL-3)
Mary Bono Mack (CA-45)
Michael Castle (DE)
Vern Buchanan (FL-13)
Lincoln Diaz-Balart (FL-21)
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL-25)
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (FL-18)
Bill Young (FL-10)
Mike Simpson (ID-2)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
Jerry Moran (KS-1)
Joseph Cao (LA-2)
Vernon Ehlers (MI-3)
Thaddeus McCotter (MI-11)
Candice Miller (MI-10)
Fred Upton (MI-6)
Erik Paulsen (MN-3)
Jo Ann Emerson (MO-8)
Dennis Rehberg (MT)
Rodney Frelinghuysen (NJ-11)
Leonard Lance (NJ-7)
Frank LoBiondo (NJ-2)
Chris Smith (NJ-4)
Pete King (NY-3)
Christopher Lee (NY-26)
John McHugh (NY-23)
Steve Austria (OH-7)
****Steven LaTourette (OH-14)
Pat Tiberi (OH-12)
Michael Turner (OH-3)
Charles Dent (PA-15)
Jim Gerlach (PA-6)
Tim Murphy (PA-18)
Todd Platts (PA-19)
Glenn Thompson (PA-5)
Frank Wolf (VA-10)
David Reichert (WA-8)
Thomas Petri (WI-6)
Shelley Moore Capito (WV-2)

The Davis-Bacon RINOs

Below are the 37 RINO Republicans who sent a letter to President Bush urging him to re-instate the Davis-Bacon Act, which he subsequently did.

Read ‘em and weep:

Rodney Alexander (LA)
Mark Kirk (IL)
Don Sherwood (PA)
Sherry Boehlert (NY)
Randy Kuhl (NY)
John Shimkus (IL)
Jo Ann Emerson (MO)
Ray LaHood (IL)
Rob Simmons (CT)
Phil English (PA)
***Steven LaTourette (OH)
Christopher Smith (NJ)
Mike Ferguson (NJ)
Frank LoBiondo (NJ)
John Sweeney (NY)
Mike Fitzpatrick (PA)
John McHugh (NY)
Michael Turner (OH)
Vito Fossella (NY)
Candice Miller (MI)
James Walsh (NY)
Melissa Hart (PA)
Timothy Murphy (PA)
Greg Walden (OR)
Jim Gerlach (PA)
Bob Ney (OH)
Curt Weldon (PA)
Nancy Johnson (CT)
Todd Platts (PA)
Jerry Weller (IL)
Tim Johnson (IL)
Jim Saxton (NJ)
Don Young (AK)
Sue Kelly (NY)
Chris Shays (CT)
Peter King (NY)
Joe Schwarz (MI)


41 posted on 05/17/2009 11:24:01 PM PDT by Kent C
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To: MestaMachine
WoW... Ever hear the phrase, “It’s the economy, stupid?”

Just because Clinton said it and the media played him up as a savior on a white horse doesn't mean that was the reason GHW Bush lost. GHW Bush came across as detached and not able to relate to regular people when the economy was going through a downturn. The country had been through 12 years of GOP administration and fatigue was setting in. Fatigue set in after 8 years of Clinton. It's too simplistic to say that trite phrase is what got Clinton elected. For whatever else he was, Slick Willie was an outstanding politician and great campaigner.

The country mostly agrees with the GOP on low taxes and limited government.

42 posted on 05/17/2009 11:24:08 PM PDT by Birch T. Barlow (Go Mariners! Certain 2009 AL West champions!)
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To: CowboyJay; upsdriver; Rastus

From another thread. Obviously, Frantzie isn’t going to change his/her mind, but one should do some search on what Moore actually said and while he headed CFG at one point, his immigration stance is not CFG’s and one would have to look at each candidates views on that. Toomey, who took over for Moore had an opposite view:

Frantzie:
“Steve Moore is an open=borders, pro-illegal alien pr*ck. I stopped giving to the Club for Growth for that reason.”

Me:
“Moore was basically kicked out of Club for Growth and while he has outlined some myths about ‘illegal aliens’ - he’s for ‘pro-_legal_ immigration’. Pat Toomey who replaced Moore had a 100% rating by FAIR (who opposes amnesty).


43 posted on 05/17/2009 11:48:18 PM PDT by Kent C
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To: Birch T. Barlow

GHB said “Read my lips. No new taxes.”
He raised taxes.
Clinton exploited it. Called for a “middle-class” tax cut.
Had the biggest tax increase and federal land grab in the country’s history...and got re-elected.
The GOP ran a tired dog in that race. But Jack Kemp knew the economy. They lost.
GWB lowered taxes and was pro-life, pro-death penalty, had two wars going, tried to save Terri Schiavo, stopped federal funding of emryonic stem cell research, was publicly religious, and got re-elected.
2nd term, he reverted to a freakin’ liberal on too many issues, and finally the economy.
John McCain was Obama in whiteface except for abortion.
Obama promised a “middle-class” tax cut. Obama promised to lower the oceans.
Good Lord. Race and uncommon stupidity got Obama nominated. But it was the meltdown in the economy, (hailed by the democrats who caused it as the Bush Meltdown,) that got him elected.
It IS the economy that both won and lost for Republicans.


44 posted on 05/18/2009 12:39:09 AM PDT by MestaMachine (From Cogs to Castles...)
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To: upsdriver
It could have been Hunter’s tough talk on China trade as well now that I think of it.

More than likely, and I agree that Hunter would be a better judge of what is really 'conservative' than the CFG. I do applaud them, though, for not being ideologues on the issue of immigration. Hopefully they'll come around on having a more nationalistic stance on trade. At that point, I would gladly become a contributor.
45 posted on 05/18/2009 12:48:21 AM PDT by CowboyJay (RiNO - It's 'what's for dinner'...)
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To: reaganaut1

The Club for Growth and the candidates it supports are EXACTLY what this country needs more of, and anybody who disagrees is probably a center-left Redumblican who got burned by them.


46 posted on 05/18/2009 1:19:46 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: Frantzie

Anybody who understood economics and history would be in favor of fairly liberal immigration laws, as I am, but that doesn’t mean you are in favor of ignoring the rule of law. I don’t know exactly what Moore said but it could be that you misunderstood him.


47 posted on 05/18/2009 1:24:07 AM PDT by LifeComesFirst (Until the unborn are free, nobody is free)
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To: rabscuttle385
The only Republicans complaining are the RINOs. But their whining is a good thing, as it makes them easier to find and target for electoral abortion.

Perfectly stated.

48 posted on 05/18/2009 1:32:25 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: reaganaut1

The congressman who doesn’t like the club was elected in 1994 (I bet he signed the contract for america). Which states alot of things the club for growth stands for (less gov’t). As for Gilcrest in Md he should have been a Democrat(he voted with them more than he did the GOP). As for his district 2006-2008 was tough years for the GOP. Why? They spent to much which caused the Club for Growth to come out against them.


49 posted on 05/18/2009 2:17:26 AM PDT by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: roses of sharon
You illustrate in your 15 and 16 that author Naftali Bendavid is a fawning Obamaphile who is giggling like a schoolgirl at the prospect of Republican infighting.
50 posted on 05/18/2009 3:00:20 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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