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Posted on 05/04/2009 10:33:03 PM PDT by FromLori

shops across the country are reporting a run on ammunition, a phenomenon apparently driven by fear that the Obama administration will increase taxes on bullets or enact new gun-control measures.

Ron Cardwell fires his 9 mm semiautomatic at a paper target at a range in Aurora, Colorado. 1 of 3

"In the last two months it's gotten very, very difficult to find ammunition," says Richard Taylor, manager of The Firing Line, a gun shop and shooting range in the Denver, Colorado, suburbs.

"There are a lot of rumors floating around that the present government would like to increase taxes on ammunition. I think [there is] just a lot of panicked buying going on."

While campaigning for the White House, Obama supported re-enacting the now-expired ban on assault weapons. But there is no indication that the administration will take up that measure -- or any other gun-control initiative --anytime soon.

Nonetheless, some gun owners aren't taking any chances.

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1 posted on 05/04/2009 10:33:04 PM PDT by FromLori
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To: FromLori

Apparently CNN has resorted to reporting on news that isn’t new. Memo to CNN: We all knew about this back in January!


2 posted on 05/04/2009 10:36:49 PM PDT by NV Lawdog (In God I trust; Everybody else keep your hands where I can see them!)
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To: FromLori

7.62x39 just came in! Look to your sources. .223/5.56 has been available for a few weeks. Good until the demonrats do an AWB with their new supermajority.


3 posted on 05/04/2009 10:37:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: FromLori
“But there is no indication that the administration will take up that measure — or any other gun-control initiative —anytime soon.”

With the radicals we have running the White House and Congress, it's only a matter of time.

4 posted on 05/04/2009 10:39:58 PM PDT by Free Bee
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To: FromLori

This whole thing has me confused. Brother was looking for ammo in San Antonio - wanted to go plinking. Local shops were out or expensive. Then went online, and Cabela’s had 9mm at normal prices. Gee, think the press could check out the website of one of the biggest sporting goods stores in the world?

Im now convinced that this is mostly hype to create fear of those “gun nuts.”


5 posted on 05/04/2009 10:44:14 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: Free Bee

It will not come by way of legislation. I will come by way of international treaty. Obama has already alluded to this while in South America sucking up to Chavez.


6 posted on 05/04/2009 10:44:59 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: Free Bee
“But there is no indication that the administration will take up that measure — or any other gun-control initiative —anytime soon.”

With the radicals we have running the White House and Congress, it's only a matter of time.

It ain't for lack of want.

7 posted on 05/04/2009 10:47:03 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: piytar

What was the “normal” price?


8 posted on 05/04/2009 10:47:47 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (Tu ne cede malis.)
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To: Jeff Gordon

...and all the Mexico drug cartel violence with “American” guns.


9 posted on 05/04/2009 10:49:11 PM PDT by kenth
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To: Free Bee

CIFTA...

http://www.state.gov/p/wha/rls/49907.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9X2VbhSH9o&eurl=http://bluelori.blogspot.com/&feature=player_embedded


10 posted on 05/04/2009 10:49:47 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: piytar
Cabela’s had 9mm at normal prices

Try putting some of that 9mm into your shopping cart. You will get a message telling you that the ammo is out of stock. Cabela's has mormal prices on ammo that they do not have in stock.

11 posted on 05/04/2009 10:52:11 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: FromLori
My daughter just went through gun qualification for her cop school in Lufkin Texas. The course provides her with 500 rounds for whatever caliber gun she declared at the start of school. She declared her 9mm. She had a mix of Winchester, Lawman, UMC, and some other various brands. I don't think she had more than 2 boxes of the same ammo. They had great difficulty getting the ammo together for the class. They usually get Lawman ammo only from the Nacogdoches Police dept, but they are having difficulty also.

Just seems to me that in a capitalist system, when there is a shortage of something, somebody makes more or finds it somewhere to meet demand. Can't we get ammo from the Philippines or Turkey or somewhere on the planet? The Somali pirates seem to have enough. Back in the day, we used to get it from China or Yugoslavia before the bent one messed that up. I know Obama could get it from his revolutionary buddies in Kenya that are shooting Christians. When the cops can't get ammo and the Mexican drug lords can, we have a problem. How about Hugo Chavez or the FARC? Obama know them pretty good.

12 posted on 05/04/2009 10:55:36 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: piytar
There is little ammo for sale in my area. Reloading supplies are limited to X amount per customer. Primers are unusually hard to find and priced 2x higher than "usual".

In 2000, it was common for my wife and I to each expend 400 rds of 38SPL at the indoor range each week. I reloaded the expended brass on Sunday night while listening to Matt Drudge on the radio. Since moving to Idaho, we are down to shooting about 100 rounds annually. It's a matter of having "free tine", "good weather" and sufficient ammo of the type we desire to shoot and access to the range. I enjoy plinking and target shooting. I purchase a hunting license each year. I have yet to do any hunting in Idaho.

Lately, our free time has been directed to riding our motorcycles. It's cheaper per unit time as a form of entertainment. It's cheaper as transportation than traveling in the 4x4 trucks. We need the 4x4s for winter weather when the streets are covered with deep snow and ice. The bikes are perfect for nice weather. Given the crappy state of the American car industry, I plan to get as much life out of my vehicles as possible.

13 posted on 05/04/2009 11:00:29 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: chuckles
Just seems to me that in a capitalist system, when there is a shortage of something, somebody makes more or finds it somewhere to meet demand.

There is no lack of demand. There is a lack of manufacturing capacity AND a tight credit market. We have stores closing all over town. They can't get the money to put stock on the floor. The big sporting goods store, Sportsmanswarehouse, closed our local store. The parking lot was full everyday with customers buying the closeout stock. It was full everyday before the closeouts started. The problem was inability to keep the shelves stocked. It was pitiful to watch. Another 30 to 60 people lost jobs from that store alone.

14 posted on 05/04/2009 11:05:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: FromLori

Individuals who are buying much larger quantities than they can use are the problem. ...for example, purchasers of primers, who buy from tens of thousands to 700 cases. Some are doing that for the purpose of reselling at higher prices (more bubble speculators), and some, with fantasies about equipping small (very small) armies of untrained nitwits. Others yet, believe it or not, having caught on to the shortage, are buying monstrous quantities for the sole purpose of depriving Second Amendment supporters.

But they’ll exhaust their wads of money for such weirdness soon enough. Ammo and components will be available again and probably quite a bit cheaper, as the idiots are laid off from their jobs and begin to starve.


15 posted on 05/04/2009 11:07:50 PM PDT by familyop (Tea Parties are for girls, but we can chat with the girls for now.)
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To: Jeff Gordon

For all who are looking for ammo online, try ammoengine.com Its a site that helps you find the best price online and gives you links and cost as unit, and per round. Just select the type of ammo you are looking for, and it gives the info and links.

Ammunition is available at decent prices, you just have to look harder than you used to.


16 posted on 05/04/2009 11:08:59 PM PDT by jkeith3213
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To: piytar
Then went online, and Cabela’s had 9mm at normal prices.

Was in Cabellas in Hamburg PA today and the handgun ammo didn't exist. (They did have .327 Federal Magnum)

17 posted on 05/04/2009 11:11:40 PM PDT by Stentor (The Criminal Obama Administration.)
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To: jkeith3213

That was a great suggestion. Thanks you.


18 posted on 05/04/2009 11:24:53 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: jkeith3213

bump. Thanks for the site. You wouldn’t happen to be a member of bb.com would you?


19 posted on 05/04/2009 11:27:28 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Stentor

I haven’t seen any ammo in Southern Oregon in months.

All the usual stores are bare, literally bare, except for one or two boxes of rare calibers.

I can’t even find .22 long rifle. The most common ammo in the entire world. And, almost useless for armed conflict.


20 posted on 05/04/2009 11:33:23 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: familyop
I've pondered all the usual excuses and I think you have it right. I haven't been to a gun show in a while so I can't be sure, but I hear things. I think the gunshowers and the pawn shops are buying out Wally World and other ammo places, markin it up about 50% and reselling it.

I'm hearing they have ammo at ridiculous prices. They have reloading supplies to match the prices of their ammo. I just got 500 rounds of .308's off a web site to feed my M1A and my wife's first comment was "Why don't you get 1000 and sell 500 to pay for the other 500?" I said, well, if I get the 1000 rounds, ain't nobody gettin a damn round from me. I've always been a hoarder and my wife has always had the business sense. She just don't understand bump firing a clip or 2 and everybody looking at you with admiration. The more you have, the more you have, I always say.

21 posted on 05/04/2009 11:33:26 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Can’t remember the exact price, but it was around $15 for a box of 50 Federal.


22 posted on 05/04/2009 11:34:37 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Maybe he was lucky on the timing?


23 posted on 05/04/2009 11:36:58 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: jkeith3213
Ammunition is available at decent prices, you just have to look harder than you used to.

If these prices are decent to you, thats ok with me. I just checked ammoengine.com I don't need more ammo bad enough to pay the prices I saw there.

24 posted on 05/04/2009 11:41:14 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: familyop

“Individuals who are buying much larger quantities than they can use are the problem.”

That is called “hoarding” and “profiteering” in the Marxist lexicon. In a functional free market, that doesn’t happen.

Sorry if you didn’t know that or take it in the wrong way, but your buying into a false worldview here...


25 posted on 05/04/2009 11:44:18 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: CurlyDave
This .22 will chew up a lot ammo fast. In an armed conflict, it would keep someone's head down.


26 posted on 05/04/2009 11:46:45 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: chuckles
I think the gunshowers and the pawn shops are buying out Wally World and other ammo places, markin it up about 50% and reselling it.

Walmart is now rationing ammo. Six boxes per customer per day.

27 posted on 05/04/2009 11:48:46 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (I don't trust Obama with my country. Do you?)
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To: CurlyDave
I can’t even find .22 long rifle. The most common ammo in the entire world. And, almost useless for armed conflict.

I got about 2000 rounds for my 10/22 before it dried up and am taking the Czechomatic route for my handgun needs.

28 posted on 05/04/2009 11:56:37 PM PDT by Stentor (The Criminal Obama Administration.)
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To: piytar
"That is called “hoarding” and “profiteering” in the Marxist lexicon. In a functional free market, that doesn’t happen."

You contradicted yourself. When business leaders become too immoral, the market ceases to be properly functional. We can't have fiscal conservatism without moral conservatism. The leadership of men is required to support moral conservatism, and there aren't many men in leadership.

"Sorry if you didn’t know that or take it in the wrong way, but your buying into a false worldview here..."

...sorry if you don't like to see commentary from a man and are afraid of conservative American peasant hordes attacking.

My comments here and here will do well enough for the rest of this reply.


29 posted on 05/05/2009 12:14:25 AM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: c-b 1
"If these prices are decent to you, thats ok with me. I just checked ammoengine.com I don't need more ammo bad enough to pay the prices I saw there."

Agreed. I'll wait for the backorders to come and continue reloading. Much range work is good. But to survive during the end of the world (little humor there), hobbies like gardening, livestock and small steel, wood or plastic production facilities will probably be even more sustaining. ;-) I'm not buying to facilitate big government revenues, until we see enough support for candidates like Duncan Hunter. Until then, we'll all play chicken toward the big defaults.

Lessons from Argentina’s economic collapse

FerFAL's Argentina forum

Manufactured scarcity The profits of deindustrialisation


30 posted on 05/05/2009 12:30:50 AM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: piytar

took me about 2.5 months to get half a case of 9mm from cabelas online. Just got the second installment of the order a few days ago actually.


31 posted on 05/05/2009 12:38:49 AM PDT by RC one
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To: FromLori
I've been reduced to loading my Ruger LCP with FMJ. Forget about finding .380 in hollow point.
32 posted on 05/05/2009 12:56:47 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: chuckles

Most of what’s available in 9mm is from Russia and non-reloadable. Word is the ammo manufacturers are running 24x7. The military has a shortfall too, apparently. But ammo is available although more expensive than normal. I just got 500 rds of Wolf 9mm luger at around $16.00/box of 50 - usually more like $12. But I’ve got it now.


33 posted on 05/05/2009 1:59:28 AM PDT by tgusa (Gun control: deep breath, sight alignment, squeeze the trigger ....)
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To: FromLori

I went to the Bill Goodman gun show in Nashville this past weekend. The only .380 ammunition I saw was three small boxes of premium hollow points. The price for a small box of 20 .380 cartridges was $51.95.


34 posted on 05/05/2009 2:37:46 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: FromLori

Speculating on the ammo availability, there are two-three forces coming to a juncture —

1) Part of O’s legislation dream list will outlaw reloaded ammo (require manufacturer’s markings on loadings).

2) Another part of the dream list puts ammo beyond regular owners’ reach by taxing it exorbitantly.

If the ammo tax legislation is to apply to ammo manufactured after a specific date, then manufacturers and distributors place themselves in position to divert a healthy chunk of their stock to inventory to wait on the tax increase. Then pre-tax manufactured ammo would be sold next to taxed ammo, but at the same price. The resulting windfall goes to producers’ pockets (and, of course, to lobbyists and representatives’ campaign funds).


35 posted on 05/05/2009 2:57:11 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: FromLori

It ain’t hype. Ammo can be had but you pay double what it was last year.


36 posted on 05/05/2009 3:02:03 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: chuckles

I live in MA, and was unable to find 9mm ammo. Not surprising, I guess.

I just bought five cannisters of ammo for my Garand from the CMP, and it took me three months to get it.

I just spent 10 days driving around the country, was down in Tenneseee...went to a Walmart and bought all the 9mm ammo they had to bring back with me. It was only five boxes, but hey...better than only having one clip to load for protection.


37 posted on 05/05/2009 3:33:38 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: FromLori
Ammo is coming online now... most major calibers are available from large online sources... no .380 yet and you will not enjoy most pricing... but it is becoming “in stock” at most vendors... at least better than it has been since January. According to the NRA, Americans have purchased 1.5 billion rounds since November.

LLS

38 posted on 05/05/2009 4:28:58 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: chuckles
Lake City... the Government armory run by Federal, is on target to produce 2 billion rounds by end of year. Americans have purchased 1.5 billion rounds since November... they are pumping out ammo as quickly as possible... most of what comes online today, is filling backorders placed months ago. Ammo is available... but one must order online and get in the cue.

LLS

39 posted on 05/05/2009 4:32:19 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: rlmorel
I ordered 500 rds of .30 Carbine from the CMP in early January and got it in early April. I think they have a lot of ammo (.30-06, .22LR, .223 Rem, .30 Carbine) but just don't have the staff to keep up with the increase in demand since the election. I already had a ton of .30-06 for my Garands as I plan on retiring in a few years so I wanted to stock up. Glad now that I did.

If anyone's interested the CMP (www.odcmp.com) also has some Garands, Carbines and a few 03 and 03A3's for sale. The posted waiting time is 3-6 months though.

40 posted on 05/05/2009 4:32:53 AM PDT by Jaxter (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.)
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To: familyop

Winchester and Federal are using almost all of the components to produce their ammo... which is of higher profit margins. Components will appear in quantity when they catch up with backorders. NRA and Arfcom (AR15.com) are the sources.

LLS


41 posted on 05/05/2009 4:34:22 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my President... NEVER!!!)
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To: AlaskaErik
Forget about finding .380 in hollow point.

I've got about 200 rounds of precisely reloaded .380 88gr. JHP which I've posted online here. No one wants to drive to where I am to get it. So, things aren't as bad as the media, etc. are making it out to be.

42 posted on 05/05/2009 4:41:07 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Quiller
Part of O’s legislation dream list will outlaw reloaded ammo (require manufacturer’s markings on loadings).

No, he doesn't want to go there....

43 posted on 05/05/2009 4:43:10 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: piytar
Then went online, and Cabela’s had 9mm at normal prices.

I just checked (05MAY2009, 0744) at Cabelas. Sure, they list lots of 9mm (and other) ammunition. At close to normal prices, as well.

IT'S ALL BACKORDERED.

Most of the other online dealers specify up front whether the item is in stock. Cabelas only puts up the backorder warning when you try to put the item in your "shopping cart".

44 posted on 05/05/2009 4:48:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: chuckles
Been to a gun show lately?

Two weekends ago, the guys selling bulk ammo (at mildly inflated prices) had stuff from USA, Russia, Czech Republic, Serbia and UK. It sold out on the first day.

45 posted on 05/05/2009 4:51:12 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Eagles6

Exactly what I was thinking. Our local Walmarts recently got in .45 and 9mm.....and even boxes of .380 were on the shelf!


46 posted on 05/05/2009 4:52:37 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: Jeff Gordon

Plus the cost of shipping ammo adds a lot to the order.


47 posted on 05/05/2009 4:57:52 AM PDT by omega4179 (Boycott government communist tractor factories!)
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To: FromLori
I was thinking about placing an order with Cabelas for some backordered Wolf brand 9mm, .45 ACP, and 7.62x39 in the sealed "spam cans".

Problem is, I don't think that this stuff is making it into the country right now.

I've been hearing that our communist overlords are making it extremely difficult for importers to bring in the bulk Russian ammo.

Yeah, I know that I'm just working with rumors here, but does anyone have any information on this? Has anyone ordered the sealed spam cans of ammo (from Cabelas or anywhere) and actually had them arrive?

48 posted on 05/05/2009 5:00:19 AM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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To: Malsua

Huh?

I recently bought .45 and 9mm at Walmart for the same price as a year ago.


49 posted on 05/05/2009 5:03:26 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective.)
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To: familyop

Anyone buying food and ammunition may not be the idiot you think they are.


50 posted on 05/05/2009 5:21:11 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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