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We must stop appeasing Islamist extremism
telegraph.co.uk ^ | March 14, 2009 | Ed Husain

Posted on 03/14/2009 9:03:57 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

There is something happening inside Britain's Muslim communities. The disgraceful, treacherous protest in Luton last week at the homecoming of the brave Royal Anglian regiment is an indication of resurgent extremism. Does our Government have the political stamina to fight it?

It's comfortable for us to think that these are the actions of a small minority – but are they? The vile mob that hurled abuse against returning troops does not operate in a vacuum, somehow removed from other Muslims. Only two weeks ago, the same group of extremists openly marched in Tower Hamlets, Britain's most densely populated "Muslim area". Where was the local outrage against these bigots? The nearby east London Mosque – Europe's largest Muslim institution – sends groups of young vigilantes to hound local prostitutes and drug dealers, but it turns a blind eye to extremism.

This nationwide network of fanatics, who give themselves various names at different times to deceive the authorities – from al-Muhajiroun to the Saved Sect – is an offshoot of Hizb ut-Tahrir, a group that shares al-Qaeda's aim of a global caliphate, but uses different methods.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: balkans; clintonlegacy; globaljihad; jihadineurope; kosovo; tm; ukmuslims; wrongside

1 posted on 03/14/2009 9:03:57 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It is too late for the U.K. now because the citizens gave up their guns and their rights to defend themselves. They also bought the whole PC crap. Hoping we will not go down the same road.


2 posted on 03/14/2009 9:12:06 PM PDT by Wisconsinlady
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We have just begun appeasing.
Everyone assumed in the months after 9/11 that we would stop educating terrorists here but now we are boosting Palestinian student visas.
Washington has failed to protect us on immigration legal and illegal.


3 posted on 03/14/2009 9:13:06 PM PDT by omega4179 (Look out below! Thanks Obamanomics.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I haven’t been to London in over five months. Last time I was there, downtown London looked like a scene from Islamabad or worse. I think it is to late for the UK.


4 posted on 03/14/2009 9:15:38 PM PDT by doc1019 (and a child shall lead them)
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To: Wisconsinlady

We are going down that road.


5 posted on 03/14/2009 9:20:12 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

One big diff; if zero tries to impose a UK style gun ban, that will be our Archduke Moment - and even that hag socialist Pelosi seems to know it (she basically told zero to back of that play ... for now).


6 posted on 03/14/2009 9:31:04 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

We can thank people like Dick Durbin for spreading lies that soldiers are killing innocent women and children in the dark of the night.


7 posted on 03/14/2009 9:42:09 PM PDT by buffyt (Obama advocates a "Civilian National Security Force" He is so Hitleresque!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

They act like they don’t like us. Why the #%&@ do they come to our nations if they cannot tolerate us? I wish every damn one of them would stay the #%&* out!!!

By the way, electing some guy named hussein sounds like a brilliant idea. We’re outnumbered by idiots in this nation.


8 posted on 03/14/2009 9:43:11 PM PDT by boycott
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To: doc1019

We moved back to Texas from Southern California. I can’t believe all the gangs, crime, graffiti out there. It is starting to look like Tijuana, in some parts of So Cal. Used to be so beautiful. Some tagger even spray painted the sign that I had to SEE and READ to find my exit to where I lived, and that section of 210 freeway is new and that sign is new. They did clean that one off, but it is rare to have graffiti cleaned off along the roadways in Calif. THere is NO graffiti in this little Texas town.


9 posted on 03/14/2009 9:44:35 PM PDT by buffyt (Obama advocates a "Civilian National Security Force" He is so Hitleresque!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; ...

Stop appeasing them?

Hell, we just handed them Bosnia and Kosovo! What the hell do you think that was?


10 posted on 03/14/2009 10:04:44 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: buffyt
We noticed that right away when we lived in Texas. You could go almost to any small town, and you didn't find graffiti. We lived in and outside of Austin for years; the only place you found graffiti was in places over-ran by Mexicans.

It seems, IMHO, that Texans have a sense of pride, and a respect of other people's property. The nation could learn many good and positive messages from Texans.
My favorite is:

"Steal from my neighbor, and I'll take my shotgun and blow yer head clean off - and the laws says I can do it".

11 posted on 03/14/2009 10:39:09 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10PDdV2r0EM


12 posted on 03/14/2009 10:50:01 PM PDT by AliVeritas (And while the rest of the nation was still sleepin', they'll be bidding America goodbye.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
We must stop appeasing Islamist extremism

That depends on your definition of extreme.

Are they aware that the only way to stop them from becoming "extreme", is to "thin their herd" to keep them below 5% of the local area population.

13 posted on 03/15/2009 1:38:33 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Glittering prizes, and endless compomises, shatter the illusion of integrity. Yeah!)
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To: buffyt

In a more sane world, treasonous scum like Dickless Dirtbin would be strung up.


14 posted on 03/15/2009 3:12:50 AM PDT by Levante
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To: Free ThinkerNY

That seems to be all the muslim terrorists do well,
protest in large gangs anytime an all the time.
Creating a Pillage and Plunder approach,frightening the cowards in their “Governments”.


15 posted on 03/15/2009 4:31:12 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The slamists have worn out their welcome. It’s time to throw them out of Europe again. Your ancestors had the guts to do it.


16 posted on 03/15/2009 5:53:33 AM PDT by RoadTest (The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? - Jer.17:9)
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To: FormerLib
Stop appeasing?......Hell, we just handed them Bosnia and Kosovo..

The West (Britain, The U.S., etc) have a long history of appeasing Islamic Terror and throwing Christians under the bus.

If anyone likes, I can link a web site FYI. Just ask me.

17 posted on 03/15/2009 6:20:00 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

My parents were in London in the 1960’s, over 40 years ago, and I’m told it was like Islamabad even then.


18 posted on 03/15/2009 7:23:51 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II -- overdue.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
I see, now that Brits are having a problem we need to do something about it. What a bunch of BS.

Deal with it. That wanted the EU and integration and now they don't like it. Yet the same people illegally made an islamic country out of Serbian Christian lands, that they had no problem with even when there wasn't a law in the world that supported it.

I hope they make a mosque out of the royal palace. I also support a free Northern Ireland and a free Scotland.

19 posted on 03/15/2009 11:36:03 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: SQUID
Yet the same people illegally made an islamic country out of Serbian Christian lands, that they had no problem with even when there wasn't a law in the world that supported it.

The chickens are coming home to roost in Great Britain.

The Serbs knew exactly what "Jihad" was and tried to maintain their lands as Christian lands in the 1990s.

For this, they were accused of "Genocide" and "Ethnic Cleansing".

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20 posted on 03/15/2009 3:40:17 PM PDT by Ravnagora
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To: Ravnagora
Look, it was Britain who supported the communists in Yugoslavia and put Tito in power in the first place. They forced it down the throats of the Serbs. By supporting installing and supporting a communist dictator like Tito they made possible the thousands of murders that happened on Goli Otok. Murdered intellectuals, business owners and other influential people.

Britain is an old fox. They are always willing to go to war alongside the US as long as the US is sending 95% of the troops and is paying for 95% of the mission.

Brits have always been masters in getting others to spill their blood for their interest.

Free Scotland and Northern Ireland if you're a real democracy. I mean, their isn't an independent movement in the world that you haven't supported. Why not support one in your back yard?

The muslims are threatening their Anglo Saxon control of power. They love diversity as long as other races and ethnicity's don't threatan their control. Once that happens then there is too much diversity and we have to pull back.

But while our “modern” women are busy aborting unwanted children there are cultures that are busy having 20 or more children. It's only a matter of time no matter how many nukes they have and wars they fight.

The bottom line is, your numbers are insufficient to sustain your global interests. There are always things being done to hold on to power, new concepts of governance etc.... The Queen knows that. We will see what they are willing to do to save the bloodline.

21 posted on 03/16/2009 6:57:22 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: gitmogrunt

http://www.greek-genocide.org/article_massacre_greeks_turkey.html


22 posted on 03/16/2009 8:05:33 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me.)
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To: gitmogrunt

http://www.greek-genocide.org/fact_sheet.html


23 posted on 03/16/2009 8:10:32 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me.)
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To: gitmogrunt

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal. Easter celebrations are illegal. It is punishable by death for a non-mulsim to enter the “holy” muslim cities of Medina and Mecca.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt - Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith (up to and including death). Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Northern Cyprus - About 133 churches, chapels and monasteries have been converted to military storage facilities, stables and night-clubs. Seventy-eight churches have been converted to mosques, and dozens more are used as military facilities, medical storage facilities, or stockyards or hay barns, according to statistics from The Republic of Cyprus. Agia Anastasia Church in Lapithos was converted into a hotel and casino, while the Sourp Magar Armenian monastery – founded in the medieval period – was converted into a cafeteria.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution. The country has passed the “Regulation of Religious Practice” law, which stipulates a punishment of two to five years’ imprisonment and heavy fines for anyone convicted of urging a Muslim to change his religion.

Syria - The constitution requires the president to be a Muslim and specifies that Islamic jurisprudence is a principal source of legislation. Sharing your Christian faith is discouraged as “posing a threat to the relations among religious groups” and carries a penalty of up to life in prison. A Christian is not allowed to proselytize – ever. Churches who want to hold an extra service must get a government permit. Sermons are routinely monitored, as is church fundraising.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

Sudan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death.

Pakistan - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims. Christians regularly put in prison for charges of blasphemy. Islam is the state religion, and in a court of law the testimony of a Christian carries less weight than that of a Muslim. Section 295(c) of the Penal Code calls for a death sentence for anyone who defiles the name of the Prophet Muhammad and requires the testimony of four Muslims for a conviction. This fosters an environment in which Muslims can feel free to use intimidation and violence against religious minorities for personal gain. Also, if any criminal Muslim rape with any Christian female and then take plea that she has accepted Islam and marry with him. Such person is not culpable under Pakistani criminal law

Qatar - Islamic instruction is compulsory in public schools. The government regulates the publication, importation, and distribution of non-Islamic religious literature. The government continues to prohibit proselytizing of Muslims by non-Muslims.

Malaysia - Under Malaysian law, any convert to Christianity must apply to a shariah (Muslim law) court to legally renounce Islam. Many Christians prefer to remain silent converts rather than take their battle to the shariah courts, where apostasy or conversion out of Islam is punishable by whipping, fines, imprisonment and—in the most extreme application—death. In a country where Muslims account for more than half of the population, conversion from Islam is punished with a 5-year prison sentence and a $3,000 fine. A Malaysian Muslim who marries a non-Muslim and who converts the non-Muslim to Islam is rewarded with an apartment, a car, a one-time payment of $2,700, and a monthly stipend of $270.

The Maldives - In the island paradise visited by tens of thousands of tourists each year, Christianity is simply not tolerated. While local Christians – said to number around 300 out of a total population of 300,000 – do get together to worship, they do so at the risk of imprisonment or worse if discovered by the Muslim authorities. Bibles are banned, and tourists can be arrested for trying to bring them into the country.

England - Bradford, Yorkshire, UK. Pop. 300,000 - 20% Islamic. Local police required to tell community elders the location of girls who run away to escape arranged marriages. Bars and liquor stores in the Lumb Lane / Manningham Lane area of the city ‘requested’ to close on Fridays. Schools, colleges, and health clinics have to have separate areas for women, with a copy of the Koran available. Public critcism of Islam or it’s adherents, such as letters to the local paper, emails to friends, speeches etc, can and has led to criminal charges ‘Using words intentionally and wilfully to cause fear, hate, or distress. Christmas decorations not to be put up, as this may make the Moslems feel ‘culturally overshadowed’. Shops ‘requested’ not to display easter eggs for the same reason. The term ‘requested’ means not legally enforceable but local police warn that they cannot intervene if your premises get ‘damaged’ somehow. Local councillors and MPs have encouraged all this for the past 15 years. Bradford Northwest MP Ann Cryer regularly appears with long sleeves and her head covered. She once stated that women in Islam are properly liberated and that Islam is an example to us all.

The above was Copied and pasted from another post by 2Banana.


24 posted on 03/16/2009 9:56:11 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me.)
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To: SQUID

“Brits have always been masters in getting others to spill their blood for their interest.”

True to a point, though the Brits also managed to get themselves slaughtered en masse in Afghanistan in the mid-1800’s and then in two more Afghan-British Wars. Also slaughtered in Egypt around 1810 (a British invasion that failed). And Yemen was a bloody disaster for them. (Obviously, the British war against the Americans in the 1770’s didn’t work out too well, on top of quite a few failures against Spain and the Dutch before— 1670’s or so, 1590 or thereabouts, not too sure but our American history course had a session on “wars leading up to the Revolution”.)

The upshot of all this is that Britain has long been lousy at things military, but their worst defeats have happened against Muslim countries. Afghans, Egyptians, Yemen rebels and other Muslim armies have all defeated the British and slaughtered British military forces (even before we get to the current British fiascoes in Iraq and Afghanistan), so one would think the British would learn from this painful experience and stay as far away from the Muslim world as they could. They seem too thick to figure that out, in the slightest.


25 posted on 04/11/2009 2:23:19 PM PDT by Javeth
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