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To: yongin

One comment from Frum’s site.

Chekote wrote: The best lesson from Bristol was when she said that abstinence only sex education is not “realistic”. To me, it is not a question of upscale or downscale voters anymore. It is about the fact that social issues are not electoral winners and the sooner the GOP recognizes that the better. Obama won a majority of Catholics despite his stance on abortion. Blacks and Latinos voted heavily for Proposition 8, yet supported Democrats overwhelmingly. If we want to expand the party, we need to push social issues to the back burner.


2 posted on 03/12/2009 6:24:07 PM PDT by yongin (The Messiah's economic policy is a Katrina waiting to happen)
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They would like that. Republicans do not win when they become Democrat lite. We just tried it with our PResidential Candidate who inspired the base about as much as they would be watching mold grow on Jello. It wasn’t until the Social conservative stepped in that there was anything to fight for.


8 posted on 03/12/2009 6:28:39 PM PDT by Blogger (Pray and Prepare)
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The basic problem is that Frum is pro-abortion. Starting from that, one cannot expect him to treat the pro-life position with any real respect. Any he has shown before is simply pretence.


11 posted on 03/12/2009 6:29:10 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: yongin
It is about the fact that social issues are not electoral winners and the sooner the GOP recognizes that the better. Obama won a majority of Catholics despite his stance on abortion.

I'm not sure the two are connected. There are plenty of CINOs for whom (their misunderstanding of) Catholic social teaching outweighs Catholic teaching on the sanctity of life.

In other words, by inclination they are liberals, and they struggle to find a way to remain Catholic or a rationalization for doing so while voting and living liberal.

I don't think it was social issues that won this one for O'Bummer. I think it was a waffling Republican party which didn't know or was unable to articulate what it stood for.

17 posted on 03/12/2009 6:33:46 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: yongin
Obama won a majority of Catholics despite his stance on abortion. Blacks and Latinos voted heavily for Proposition 8, yet supported Democrats overwhelmingly. If we want to expand the party, we need to push social issues to the back burner

That comment does not make sense whatsoever.

27 posted on 03/12/2009 6:40:50 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Obama = Jimmy Carter II)
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If we want to expand the party, we need to push social issues to the back burner.

Worked for Reagan. Not.

Frum is a dunce.

37 posted on 03/12/2009 6:46:04 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If Liberals would pay their taxes, there would be no deficit..)
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I’ll disagree — the minorities voting for Prop 8 shows what a winner they CAN be, when we don’t nominate a”moderate”. This election was people believing they could get more goodies from the young unknown guy, and we put up a mealy mouthed hack to oppose him. Not a winning formula.

Principles win if you have a condidate with a track record of actually believing and living them.


50 posted on 03/12/2009 6:53:33 PM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat)
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Crap. Obama got the “history” and black vote. Ten million more went blue in 2008 than 2004. He has crammed four years of Jimmy Carter into the first month.

What was it, five million less Republicans turned out in 2008 than 2004?

The only reason McCain wasn't the next Mondale was PALIN!

They didn't go to the rallies to see McCain.

So the RINO myth of the middle is just that, crap.

Hey, here's a thought, why don't we win? Put a conservative out there and see what a Reagan type will do.

Social issues are the only thing keeping the Republicans from becoming the Bull Moose Party.

65 posted on 03/12/2009 7:12:47 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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” If we want to expand the party, we need to push social issues to the back burner. “

Your opinion. I disagree. Vehemently. I am getting involved, I will be a precinct committee officer and I will fight to prevent RINO watering down of the GOP Platform.


66 posted on 03/12/2009 7:13:13 PM PDT by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
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If we want to expand the party, we need to push social issues to the back burner.

Expand the party by further alienating the social conservatives, so even more of them stay at home on election day? Yeah, that will work really well.

When Republicans act like faux Democrats, Democrats win elections. Always.

79 posted on 03/12/2009 7:31:32 PM PDT by Campion
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If we want to expand the party, we need to push social issues to the back burner.

It's kind of hard for the GOP to do that because they lost the ability to be fiscally conservative long, long ago. Unless they truly and completely turn back to true fiscal conservatism, social conservatism is the only issue they have.

81 posted on 03/12/2009 7:33:52 PM PDT by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon drama at a time!)
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We cannot “push social issues to the back burner.” We have been the party that’s set African American slaves free, the party that’s been behind equality for African Americans, the party that’s been behind protecting the lives of the pre-born, and so on. We cannot ignore the social injustices of the oppressed in order to gain votes.


106 posted on 03/12/2009 8:51:42 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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Blacks and Latinos voted heavily for Proposition 8, yet supported Democrats overwhelmingly. If we want to expand the party, we need to push social issues to the back burner.

So then the blacks and social conservatives will have both parties ignoring their social concerns? Nice logic there.

139 posted on 03/14/2009 11:46:18 AM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect")
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