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Health 'Reformers' Ignore Facts - Debunking the Democratic argument for government-run health care.
Wall Street Journal ^ | MARCH 6, 2009 | SALLY C. PIPES

Posted on 03/06/2009 11:38:56 PM PST by neverdem

The Democrats' case to expand government health care is so full of holes that passing it quickly is their only hope. If Americans slow down and ask questions, they will be hard-put to come up with answers.

In fact, if members of Congress slow down long enough to read the detailed reports of their own Congressional Budget Office (CBO) -- or even its director's recent Senate testimony...

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Preventative care, disease management and electronic medical records are also constantly cited as big cost-savers. The idea here is that if our health-care system was set up to prevent disease rather than just treat it, and could do so without duplicative paper records, it could save money. It's a great hypothesis, but research does not indicate it amounts to much. "In many cases," as Mr. Elmendorf testified regarding such initiatives, "those studies do not support claims of reductions in health spending or budgetary reductions."

Americans like their current health care, its plethora of choice and its intensive, high tech approach to fixing our ailments. A Gallup survey in December reported that "on balance, Americans still favor maintaining the current system, 49% to 41%." But the CBO is very clear that saving money on health care involves doing less of the very things Americans like the most.

"Studies attribute the bulk of the cost of growth to the development of new treatments and other medical technologies," the CBO notes in a report issued last December, later adding, "Given the central role of medical technology in cost growth, reducing or slowing spending over the long term would probably require decreasing the pace of adopting new treatments and procedures or limiting the breadth of their application."

In other words, reducing costs means rationing the care of those who currently have private insurance and Medicare.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho44; bhohealthcare; democrat; democrats; govhealthcare; healthcare; impeachobama; obama; socialism; socializedmedicine; wreckinghealthcare

1 posted on 03/06/2009 11:38:57 PM PST by neverdem
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2 posted on 03/06/2009 11:45:45 PM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: neverdem
In other words, reducing costs means rationing the care of those who

are over the age of 90, 80, 70, 60, 50 or ?

Cost not care is the keyword.

3 posted on 03/07/2009 12:00:11 AM PST by TYVets
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To: neverdem

Do liberals really want politicians campaigning against each other over which health care procedures and technologies will be funded and which will not? That is what it will come down to. All aspects of health care will be nothing more than political footballs to be kicked around during campaigns and spending debates.


4 posted on 03/07/2009 12:12:15 AM PST by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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"reducing costs means rationing the care of those who..."

I believe it will be decided by what group you belong to. Certain "favored" demographics will get health care and other demographic groups, like white males who aren't Dem politicians, will be denied.

The cost-savings aspect is just propaganda to sell the idea. The way it will be run is Fascism.

5 posted on 03/07/2009 12:31:42 AM PST by ChicagahAl (Don't blame me. I voted for Sarah.)
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To: neverdem
The idea here is that if our health-care system was set up to prevent disease rather than just treat it, and could do so without duplicative paper records, it could save money.


"Obama expects us to eat healthy and get exercise. That's really funny!"

6 posted on 03/07/2009 12:37:44 AM PST by Polybius
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7 posted on 03/07/2009 1:19:51 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
The Democrats' case to expand government health care is so full of holes that passing it quickly is their only hope.

That's because Soviet medicine isn't about medicine.

It's about power.

Power over moms with sick kids, families with feeble elderly or a sickly teen. Middle-aged people with family histories of cancer, diabetes, heart disease, or Alzheimer's.

Power over the minds of voters -- power over the People. That's what it's all about for those evil, eyes-glowing-in-the-dark, sick, twisted b*stards.

8 posted on 03/07/2009 5:14:49 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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Certain "favored" demographics will get health care and other demographic groups, like white males who aren't Dem politicians, will be denied.

DING! DING! DING! DING!

No more calls, please, hold your calls ..... we have a winner .... no more callers, please!

9 posted on 03/07/2009 5:18:11 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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Health 'Reformers' Ignore Facts

When has a Democrat EVER been concerned with fact??? Facts are so messy, so complicated. Lies, on the other hand, can be neatly packaged into palitable little bundles--pellets for the sheeple.

10 posted on 03/07/2009 7:18:46 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (The First Black President of the US has sold me and my children into slavery.)
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11 posted on 03/07/2009 9:33:00 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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Neither Moderate Nor Centrist:
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Posted on 03/06/2009 8:02:24 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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13 posted on 03/09/2009 5:46:34 AM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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What has the government EVER taken over and made better?


14 posted on 03/09/2009 6:31:26 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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I sincerely tried to think of something. I’m drawing a blank.


15 posted on 03/09/2009 11:56:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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Debunking the Democratic argument for government-run health care

While the posted article is OK as far as it goes, perhaps the best argument against nationalized health care is its harmful consequences in countries whose citizens are already subjected to it.

Of course, these arguments being put forth by the 'Rats aren't made in good faith. They are just smokescreens to obscure the real sadistic goal to be achieved by their health care plan: government control over the citizens' bodies!

16 posted on 03/09/2009 2:01:36 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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