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With economy in shambles, Congress gets a raise
The Hill ^ | 12/17/08 | Jordy Yager

Posted on 12/17/2008 7:07:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge

A crumbling economy, more than 2 million constituents who have lost their jobs this year, and congressional demands of CEOs to work for free did not convince lawmakers to freeze their own pay.

Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries, and watchdog groups are not happy about it.

“As lawmakers make a big show of forcing auto executives to accept just $1 a year in salary, they are quietly raiding the vault for their own personal gain,” said Daniel O’Connell, chairman of The Senior Citizens League (TSCL), a non-partisan group. “This money would be much better spent helping the millions of seniors who are living below the poverty line and struggling to keep their heat on this winter.”

However, at 2.8 percent, the automatic raise that lawmakers receive is only half as large as the 2009 cost of living adjustment of Social Security recipients.

Still, Steve Ellis, vice president of the budget watchdog Taxpayers for Common Sense, said Congress should have taken the rare step of freezing its pay, as lawmakers did in 2000.

“Look at the way the economy is and how most people aren’t counting on a holiday bonus or a pay raise — they’re just happy to have gainful employment,” said Ellis. “But you have the lawmakers who are set up and ready to get their next installment of a pay raise and go happily along their way.”

Member raises are often characterized as examples of wasteful spending, especially when many constituents and businesses in members’ districts are in financial despair.

Rep. Harry Mitchell, a first-term Democrat from Arizona, sponsored legislation earlier this year that would have prevented the automatic pay adjustments from kicking in for members next year. But the bill, which attracted 34 cosponsors, failed to make it out of committee.

“They don’t even go through the front door. They have it set up so that it’s wired so that you actually have to undo the pay raise rather than vote for a pay raise,” Ellis said.

Freezing congressional salaries is hardly a new idea on Capitol Hill.

Lawmakers have floated similar proposals in every year dating back to 1995, and long before that. Though the concept of forgoing a raise has attracted some support from more senior members, it is most popular with freshman lawmakers, who are often most vulnerable.

In 2006, after the Republican-led Senate rejected an increase to the minimum wage, Democrats, who had just come to power in the House with a slew of freshmen, vowed to block their own pay raise until the wage increase was passed. The minimum wage was eventually increased and lawmakers received their automatic pay hike.

In the beginning days of 1789, Congress was paid only $6 a day, which would be about $75 daily by modern standards. But by 1965 members were receiving $30,000 a year, which is the modern equivalent of about $195,000.

Currently the average lawmaker makes $169,300 a year, with leadership making slightly more. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) makes $217,400, while the minority and majority leaders in the House and Senate make $188,100.

Ellis said that while freezing the pay increase would be a step in the right direction, it would be better to have it set up so that members would have to take action, and vote, for a pay raise and deal with the consequences, rather than get one automatically.

“It is probably never going to be politically popular to raise Congress’s salary,” he said. “I don’t think you’re going to find taxpayers saying, ‘Yeah I think I should pay my congressman more’.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 110th; congress; economy; payraise; pelosi; raise; shambles
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1 posted on 12/17/2008 7:07:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

In light of our impending depression, I consider this move to be nothing short of unAmerican and yes...unpatriotic.


2 posted on 12/17/2008 7:09:02 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: NormsRevenge

Why shouldn’t they? It’s all Bush’s fault, after all!


3 posted on 12/17/2008 7:10:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Barack Obama: In Error and arrogant -- he's errogant!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I think “appropriate” messages are in line for the Christmas season should be sent to these scum, which I will begin doing. I’m not sure what exactly it will take for the American people to be outraged enough to demand some form of justice.


4 posted on 12/17/2008 7:11:57 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: NormsRevenge

Un-Freakin’-Believable


5 posted on 12/17/2008 7:16:15 PM PST by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: brushcop

This is an OUTRAGE! Mail EVERYONE!


6 posted on 12/17/2008 7:18:14 PM PST by Hanna548 (s)
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To: brushcop

What are you going to do? I’d be glad to join in.


7 posted on 12/17/2008 7:18:40 PM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Caesar’s double-bed is warm
As an unimportant clerk
Writes I DO NOT LIKE MY WORK
On a pink official form.

—WH AUDEN, fr. The Fall of Rome


8 posted on 12/17/2008 7:20:43 PM PST by avenir
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To: brytlea
What are you going to do? I’d be glad to join in.

Pitch forks and tar?

9 posted on 12/17/2008 7:21:56 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry)
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To: NormsRevenge
However, at 2.8 percent, the automatic raise that lawmakers receive is only half as large as the 2009 cost of living adjustment of Social Security recipients.

What on earth are the little people complaining about now? They took a pay cut, lol.

10 posted on 12/17/2008 7:23:41 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: NormsRevenge

That’s only the pay raise that the sheeple actually see. I’m sure it’s more than that.


11 posted on 12/17/2008 7:23:54 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why should we expect the same crooks that started this economic crisis to get us out of it?

Pray for W, America and Our Troops


12 posted on 12/17/2008 7:25:11 PM PST by bray (All thats left of my 401K is a little Change and no Hope.)
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To: NormsRevenge
However, at 2.8 percent, the automatic raise that lawmakers receive is only half as large as the 2009 cost of living adjustment of Social Security recipients.

Strange...

Not a word as to how this "automatic raise" came about.

Please don't tell me that they voted on their own raise --- forever?

Or to put it a more useful way, how do we, the employers, undo this BS?

I say we freeze their pay (and per diem) until it's more in line with the "middle class."

13 posted on 12/17/2008 7:26:59 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They’re worth every penny too!


14 posted on 12/17/2008 7:28:01 PM PST by Farmer Dean (168 grains of instant conflict resolution)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
You forgot the feathers. :)

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
15 posted on 12/17/2008 7:28:30 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
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To: anniegetyourgun

In light of our impending depression, I consider this move to be nothing short of unAmerican and yes...unpatriotic.

Now ,Now .. thats not very patriotic of you.


16 posted on 12/17/2008 7:29:27 PM PST by stevecmd
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To: NormsRevenge

The only group that has done a worse job of decision-making and managing than auto executives is CONGRESS!!!!!!!


17 posted on 12/17/2008 7:29:33 PM PST by RatRipper
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To: NormsRevenge
My employer gave me a $2,000.00 Christmas bonus check today and then proceeded to dock me 30 minutes pay because it took me that long to pick myself up from off the floor.
18 posted on 12/17/2008 7:32:16 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: brytlea

I think I’m going to find my congressional rep’s address - real snail-mail address - and simply mail them (senators and congressmen) a simple, blank, pink slip. Think they’ll get the message?


19 posted on 12/17/2008 7:32:41 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: RatRipper

Well ya see - that’s why they need the raise. Not only do they have to run congress, they need to run Fanny Mae, Citicorp, GM, Ford, etc.


20 posted on 12/17/2008 7:35:09 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: brytlea
What are you going to do? I’d be glad to join in.

Well, nothing spectacular, I'm creating my own cards (in an envelope) to mail to these SOBs. I used to write lots of letters then got demoralized and then started writing again. No one writes much anymore, meaning real messages on real paper in real envelopes.

Time was when it was hard to just trash real letters to these people, they had to do something and the idea being that "processing", being handled by several people ("Here Suzie, send a form letter to this idiot"), it reached more folks that you imagine.

I learned this by being able to access a large state bureaucracy during my career, where all the moguls ruled from. It was said by a bureaucratic fatcat that each letter represented at least 10 people, probably closer to 100s, truth be known. I've seen a few letters actually change proposed laws, so it CAN work.

21 posted on 12/17/2008 7:35:15 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: hole_n_one

We conservatives aren’t envious or angry about that, HnO - we’re thrilled about your success. GRATZ!


22 posted on 12/17/2008 7:36:48 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: stevecmd

If we’re paying for their performance, they shouldn’t get a raise. In fact, they should be fired.


23 posted on 12/17/2008 7:37:54 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Publius6961

Wasn’t it done late one night behind closed doors, without the normal media present? It was a few years back. Or am I thinking of another raise they gave themselves?


24 posted on 12/17/2008 7:38:49 PM PST by kenth (It's now spend and tax. How's that for change?)
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To: hole_n_one

My employer took me and others to a group lunch today, during which one 55 year old white jackass was lecturing an Indian co-worker about the evils of the South, Bush and the goodness of Zero, though he didn’t call him that. I kept silent and the Indian guy, I think, knows a little better. Anyway, when the check came the manager said: “That’ll be $10 each!” Some Christmas lunch!


25 posted on 12/17/2008 7:38:56 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Everytime they open their mouth they shoot themselves in the foot.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Filthy thieves.


26 posted on 12/17/2008 7:39:26 PM PST by MikeWUSAF (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: hole_n_one

lol...we have to shut the hallway lights off to save on the company energy bill. Something tells me we’re not getting a bonus this year...


27 posted on 12/17/2008 7:40:00 PM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("But there were some who resisted...")
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To: 21twelve

I see. Destroy companies with wrong-headed public policy. Blame management. Take over the companies. Prop up the failed companies with somebody else’s (taxpayers’) money. Then give yourself a raise because of the importance of your job.

In the words of Gov. LaPettamaine (spelling??) in Blazing Saddles, “Yeah. We’ve got to protect our phony baloney jobs!”


28 posted on 12/17/2008 7:40:58 PM PST by RatRipper
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To: Revolting cat!

Nice. I knew a couple who made a big deal about inviting a bunch of people they knew over for a grand steak cookout at the lake on the Forth of July. It was going to be an awesome day. A couple of days before the event, they called everyone and told them to bring whatever kind of steak they liked.


29 posted on 12/17/2008 7:43:16 PM PST by kenth (It's now spend and tax. How's that for change?)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Congre$$ has been on a real run lately , huh?

Many should be run out of Washington at the points of pitchforks.


30 posted on 12/17/2008 7:46:11 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed)
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To: RegulatorCountry

However, at 2.8 percent, the automatic raise that lawmakers receive is only half as large as the 2009 cost of living adjustment of Social Security recipients.

Yeah, and Medicare ate it up. My monthly check has not gone up one dime in 7 years.


31 posted on 12/17/2008 7:47:01 PM PST by gunner03
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/ASKShow

Obama - End Run Around Congress

Obama’s most brilliant stealth strategy for implementing “change” involves not just a change in laws, but a change in the way laws are made and passed. I’ll tell you how, and what it means for our country.

Click the link and listen to the program. It will send you into a tizzy tighter than a tick.


32 posted on 12/17/2008 7:53:43 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (Cultural conditions, not gun laws, are the most important factors in a nation's crime rate.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Congress criticizes the high pay and compensation given to the executives of companies that are failing, then gives itself a raise when its' approval rating is at an all time low.

Satisfaction in U.S. Nears Rock Bottom

33 posted on 12/17/2008 8:00:32 PM PST by smokingfrog (I'll go green when they plant me in the ground.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I would say more but it would get me banned.


34 posted on 12/17/2008 8:15:56 PM PST by MikeWUSAF (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: NormsRevenge

This will be a great issue to hang on the Democrat majorit..
oh, wait, it won’t please the Washington Post to raise such a “divisive” and “mean-spirited” issue, so you know what that means: no NRCC cash for anyone who dare raise the issue.


35 posted on 12/17/2008 8:16:21 PM PST by Saab-driving Yuppie
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To: NormsRevenge

I thought this was a joke.


36 posted on 12/17/2008 8:28:24 PM PST by Hildy
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To: NormsRevenge

After utterly destroying the US (and world) economies with their CRA Act mega-corruption, the gerrymandered Permanent Ruling Class rewards itself.


37 posted on 12/17/2008 8:31:30 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: NormsRevenge

Nice slap on the faces for us peons.


38 posted on 12/17/2008 8:34:32 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m calling my senators tomorrow. This is just disgraceful.


39 posted on 12/17/2008 8:35:49 PM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (****************************Stop Continental Drift**)
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To: NormsRevenge

I can’t believe these people.


40 posted on 12/17/2008 8:56:56 PM PST by RepublitarianRoger2
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To: NormsRevenge

We are nothing but smelly peasants to these goons. There is a story in Charlotte about an expensive party thrown but some government office, the press (surprisingly) crashed the party..it was fun to watch them squirm.


41 posted on 12/17/2008 9:02:18 PM PST by Globalist Goon ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: NormsRevenge

They need to take a month without pay.


42 posted on 12/17/2008 9:17:27 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: anniegetyourgun; Arrowhead1952; justiceseeker93; ZULU; Joe Boucher; al baby; rodguy911; romanesq; ..

The Messiah’s coronation is beyond reprehensible considering all the “poor” people that Liberals are supposedly so concerned about. You know, the peons, the US Congressional Liberals destroyed.


43 posted on 12/17/2008 9:18:09 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: NormsRevenge

Disgusting


44 posted on 12/17/2008 9:31:35 PM PST by onedoug
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To: NormsRevenge

Torches and pitchforks!


45 posted on 12/17/2008 9:49:29 PM PST by ChowChowFace
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To: Publius6961
How about we cancel it?
And make it retroactive to 1776.

Just an idle thought....

46 posted on 12/17/2008 9:58:56 PM PST by sarasmom (Buyers Remorse Date : Place your bets ladies and gentlemen.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Pay raises are given out in the private sector based on performance and after an annual review. What have these belly crawlers done to deserve a raise? They answer to no one.


47 posted on 12/18/2008 5:40:49 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: Publius6961
Not a word as to how this "automatic raise" came about.

That's what I was wondering too.

48 posted on 12/18/2008 5:43:29 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: RatRipper
The only group that has done a worse job of decision-making and managing than auto executives is CONGRESS!!!!!!!

I'd include the banking and insurance executives in there somewhere.

49 posted on 12/18/2008 5:44:51 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: NormsRevenge
Instead, they will get a $4,700 pay increase, amounting to an additional $2.5 million that taxpayers will spend on congressional salaries ....

... Daniel O’Connell, chairman of The Senior Citizens League (TSCL), a non-partisan group. “This money would be much better spent helping the millions of seniors who are living below the poverty line and struggling to keep their heat on this winter.

While I am against congress raising its salary when it has done so much to destroy our economy, this senior citizen activist is an idiot. His statement is just stupid on its face. We are talking about 2.5 million dollars here and he thinks it could be better spent "helping millions of seniors"? I'm sure that sum of less than $2.50 each will go a long way toward keeping their heat on this winter. Decry the idiocy of congress giving itself a raise when the economy is so bad all you want, but at least try to use an argument that doesn't make you sound like an idiot.

50 posted on 12/18/2008 6:38:36 AM PST by VRWCmember
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