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The ‘right to die’ is a fashionable nonsense
London Times ^ | 12/14/08 | Dominic Lawson

Posted on 12/14/2008 11:14:43 AM PST by wagglebee

It is traditional, when mounting a coup, to seize control of the airwaves. Last week the supporters of euthanasia did their best. Monday’s Panorama was entirely given over to a “report” on this topic by the Lothians MSP, Margo MacDonald; but since Ms MacDonald has already launched a campaign to legalise “assisted suicide” north of the border, the BBC’s attempt to promote her as an impartial reporter was disingenuous, at best.

Two days later, Sky broadcast Right to Die, a 90-minute documentary that told the story of Craig Ewert, a 59-year-old Yorkshire-based American, who had travelled to the Dignitas clinic in Zurich to be humanely put down. As advertised, we were not spared the moment of Mr Ewert’s death.

The very phrase “right to die” is a fashionable piece of nonsense. How can we be said to require a “right” to something that is absolutely unavoidable, whether we want it or not? It is not the “right to die” that campaigners such as Margo MacDonald want, but the right to be killed – at a time of their own choosing. This is why some doctors, less sensitive to public queasiness, refer to the practice of “assisted dying” as “therapeutic killing”.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
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This is why in the Netherlands, the supposedly enlightened pioneer of euthanasia, more than a quarter of “physician-assisted” deaths occur without any request from the patient-victim and people carry cards that read: “Please don’t kill me.”

And yet we hear every day that there is no "slippery slope" and the "right" will never become a "duty."

1 posted on 12/14/2008 11:14:43 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 12/14/2008 11:15:10 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 12/14/2008 11:15:33 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; All
Sorry to disagree but I think that I or any else has the right to end his own life on his own terms for any reason. Flame away.
4 posted on 12/14/2008 11:19:31 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: wagglebee
I've gotten a lot of grief over the years for opposing assisted suicide. I keep being told its "none of my business" when people want to kill themselves. Oh I think its every one's business. Human life is sacred - and that's a principle I will never back down on no matter if other people think there's no other solution to their problems than ending their own lives. Which of course, is no fix at all.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 12/14/2008 11:23:37 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: wagglebee

We’re all useless carboin footprints thatare better off dead to the inteligentsia.


6 posted on 12/14/2008 11:25:11 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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7 posted on 12/14/2008 11:26:33 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: GunsareOK
Your life doesn't belong to you - it belongs to God. We are not allowed to do whatever we please with our bodies - and there are certain things we can never do. As a matter of moral conviction.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 12/14/2008 11:26:46 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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I feel no personal obligation to worship “god.” My life belongs to ME and I’ll act accordingly.


9 posted on 12/14/2008 11:33:27 AM PST by GunsareOK
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I've gotten a lot of grief over the years for opposing assisted suicide.

That shows that you believe in what's RIGHT. Life IS sacred, and for sure, none of us are getting out of this alive regardless. Now we have to choose which path we want on, that of eternal damnation or eternal salvation.

Of course, there are those that think this pure folly, that is, until that last breath...

We remember Terri Schiavo and HER loving Mom and family who were given no choice by demon possessed secular judges. I'll have no part of the culture of death.

10 posted on 12/14/2008 11:33:48 AM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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Can't flame you for that. Trying to enact some sort of prohibition against ending one's life is daffy. It smacks of government getting too involved in people's right to self determination. No laws should exist telling you how you should go about ending your life(meaning what drugs the government says is ok), and no one should be told they have no right to self determination.
I know many people are suffering from depression when they make these determination, but getting the government involved is the wrong way to go. If the GOP wants to reclaim the mantle of the party of individual liberties and freedom, they need to get as far away from these assisted suicide laws as possible.
11 posted on 12/14/2008 11:35:34 AM PST by MovementConservative (Not a Bush Republican, a Limbaugh/Levin conservative.)
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The issue really is that if you kill yourself that’s between you and God. But, if you insist on a law that legalizes someone else doing it for you, that’s a whole other matter. I think suicide is wrong, however, God knows our heart, and if someone is in terrible pain and decides to end it, God will deal with them however He will. However, if someone kills you to end your suffering at your request, you are asking THEM to take a chance on how they will be dealt with. I just think that’s terrifically selfish.
From a legal standpoint, it WILL become a duty to die, and there WILL be people killed who don’t want to be. So, on both of those accounts, I am completely against any law making assisted suicide legal.


12 posted on 12/14/2008 11:37:03 AM PST by brytlea (You can fool enough of the people enough of the time.)
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I’m not going to die on this particular hill so if the GOP takes the position you suggest but swings true conservative on issues I care more about, I’ll be pleased to support the GOP again. Unfortunately, in my view, Bush was wrong on this issue AND failed to control spending or the borders.


13 posted on 12/14/2008 11:41:17 AM PST by GunsareOK
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....From a legal standpoint, it WILL become a duty to die, and there WILL be people killed who don’t want to be....

I would agree that this is a real possibility and your opposition on at least this basis is well founded.


14 posted on 12/14/2008 11:42:35 AM PST by GunsareOK
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Oh I think its every one's business. Human life is sacred - and that's a principle I will never back down on no matter if other people think there's no other solution to their problems than ending their own lives.

Sounds very noble, except no one is advocating puting people to death. If someone wants to end their life, then all we can do is try and help their mental state. We cannot and should not lock them in rubber rooms to protect them from themselves. If they are determined to kill themselves, then let them find their own way of doing it.

15 posted on 12/14/2008 11:43:22 AM PST by MovementConservative (Not a Bush Republican, a Limbaugh/Levin conservative.)
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I don’t really have an opinion either way: I can see an excellent case to be made on either side of this debate.

But I will follow this thread with great interest!


16 posted on 12/14/2008 11:45:47 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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17 posted on 12/14/2008 11:58:50 AM PST by Beowulf9
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Its a short, slippery slope from letting people kill themselves to have to having the state kill people to basically save money. We lose sight of moral absolutes when we give in for seemingly "compassionate" reasons and then later no longer know where to hold the line - if we even know where the line is supposed to be by then.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

18 posted on 12/14/2008 12:04:18 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: wagglebee
“And yet we hear every day that there is no “slippery slope” and the “right” will never become a “duty.””

You won't hear that argument from me. Just wait until you have universal government-paid health insurance & there's another serious budget crunch.

19 posted on 12/14/2008 12:06:12 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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These demons are so sick - the next step will be "duty to die" and then duty to kill "useless eaters".

This is a good place to use the great SCOTUS quote that ended the ad against 0bama:

“In a government of laws, the existence of the government will be imperiled if it fails to observe the law scrupulously. Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy .” Olmstead v. U.S., 277 U.S. 438 (1928)

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20 posted on 12/14/2008 12:06:28 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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