Posted on 12/12/2008 4:15:31 AM PST by flattorney
Once people understood the job banks the unions lost all credibility. No responsible person will advocate wasting money and worker’s time like that. Ergo, unions are irresponsible....while laughing their way to the bank.
The labor cost is the issue here, past, present and future. You can point fingers at the management, but only after the labor pool has set its own example. If I were in the workforce I would be trying to organize a worker’s union; screw the fat cats.
Mac and Martinez likely voted no for the same reason Reid did.
How about Union pay.
Huh? At least 2 trillion for bankers and we are arguing over 14 billion for auto makers. That's less than .75% of the money we gave the bankers. How did they become more important than the auto makers?
Let's see. There could be government regulations. Environmental regulations. Taxes. Did I forget anything? Oh, and high pay for labor. I agree that labor costs are high for the big three but this endless vilification of ALL the people that work for them is mindless.
Is it strictly labor costs? What about regulations, taxes and government interference? Why does everyone put the full onus on the labor?
That's just the cost-of-workforce portion of the difference. It doesn't take into account the excessive costs of all the fun union gamesmanship (and yes, I was a union member for 11 years - there's plenty of games being played). And it doesn't account for the lack of flexibility of the workforce at the big three.
If you look at the numbers in an earlier post, you'll see that the difference between Toyota's $17.7 billion profit and GM's $37.8 billion loss amounts to about $6000 per vehicle. That's a huge gap!
Bond-MO needs to retire. Voted yes on illegal immigration also.
What is with McCaskill..said she would not vote for it because of raises in it for federal judges
The way the figure is used is a lie.
Then please un-lie us and post your facts.
Any simpleton can look at the wage/benefit costs of UNIONIZED automakers and those of non-unionized automakers and come to the conclusion that the labor costs are what is dragging down the former.
BTW, that 14 billion is a DOWN PAYMENT. That only gets them through a couple of months. What is your angle here? Seems like you are just a little too defensive to be merely a bystander.
I just sent thanking emails to Senators Corker, Alexander (I see he didn’t vote), DeMint and Chambliss.
You can too at http://www.usa.gov and click on contact public officials.
Thank the good guys and ask the others “why” they’re not supporting Conservative, Traditional and Constitutional Values.
Thanks a bunch of emails, HO
The deal that they made is the reason they are in the situation they are in. We should not stand in the way of them reaping the rewards of what they have sown.
Doesn't matter. The reality is, that for GM to survive, labor will have to share the pain. The UAW and the corporation have both contributed their share in getting to this point.
Good point. And a perfect illustration of why NO ONE should be getting bailed out.
These bail outs run amok could very well cause a depression.
I’m younger than yourself, but I have only bought “American” Cars. I will never do so again if they get bailed out.
I enjoy pointing out hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy?
The deal they made was with the car companies, NOT the government.
As to your insinuation that we here support bailing out the bankers but not the workers, that is just crap as all true conservatives were against that as well. The fact that we are finally able to cheer this small victory does not mean we support the previous debacle.
Put your hand back in your pocket. It's unbecoming of a conservative to be holding it out.
If you followed my posts I started by pointing out how they bailed the banks but won't bail the big 3 with .74% of the amount.
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