Posted on 12/07/2008 7:30:06 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
Mr. President-elect, surely you know that there is a 'tempest in the teapot' brewing regarding the vault version of your birth certificate. And, only you, Sir, can bring closure to this issue. Mr. Obama, show your birth certificate for the sake of all the people who supported and voted for you... and, also to quiet (once, and for all) the skeptics, naysayers, and people who deem your Presidency 'illegitmate'..
With out a doubt, your history making ascension to the highest office in the land has brought, and continues to bring, unexplainable pride to millions of people of color, not just in America... but around the globe. People are rooting for you...
...however there are many, who have not accepted your position, operating out of fear because there remain 'questions' about your life that have not been thoroughly answered.
Americans believe you when you say you 'love this country'. However, to allow this birth certificate brouhaha to reach the Supreme Court on December 5, causes many to question your love for the country you want to lead. Why would you allow this issue to proceed to the Supreme Court, knowing the national scab has not fully healed from the Bush vs Gore election which was decided at the SCOTUS level?
Link to website is blocked. The link is: http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=11061
Just went to the site, got right in. Looks like even his supporters are wondering.
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=11061
But that's OK with me, I don't think that was a very good case anyway. It did not really involved the BC, but rather the "dual citizen at birth cannot be Natural Born" theory.
Hell, nevermind that, is his presence in the country and, in fact, his "personhood" illegitimate?
I don't believe that for a second. I've been saying this about Dems for about 15 years. They HATE traditional America with all of their malevolent, shriveled, shrunken souls.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2144344/posts?q=1&;page=394#394
I ask everyone to go here and read, read, read. Our Constitution must be upheld no matter WHO is President!
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
I believe in many cases you are correct. Still there are some, for instance citizen Berryhill, who actually believed some of BHO's campaign malarky. They were anticipating great things from this administration and now they are starting to have doubts. They are beginning to realize they have been hoodwinked.
We need to have an open dialogue with these folks. Like the PUMA's during the campaign their motives are not all bad.
Really? (#129849) by Hank Rand on December 6, 2008 at 9:44 PM "What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the Constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?" A proponent of the reality that there is an outstanding question that exists relating to Barack Obama's natural born citizenship (not that I have an answer, but rather simply that no answer has been given), my personal opinion is that this has less to do with the merit of this particular Constitutional law...and more to do with the character and integrity of a man who may have gone to such great lengths to, knowingly, break it. And in that course of action, our entire country (not just those who didn't vote for him) and our most coveted process of Democracy (our vote), were defrauded. If he's found to be ineligible per the Constitution, proving he knowingly and willfully defrauded our people and process, it won't be the Justices who will have disenfranchised 64 million voters. It's Barack Obama. How many times are you prepared to claim "you fell down the stairs" for this man? I was an initial supporter. I started seeing very real and very questionable issues raised about the nature of his past associations, and the laughable explanations he would give...and I was sure it would hurt him in the press and among supporters. But what did I see? The press and most supporters to engrossed in their partisanship to care. In fact, the more reasonable questions came up about him...the harder the press and the 64 million that same press brainwashed, drove to the hoop for him. As I stood back watching this, again, as an initial supporter of his, even making phone calls on his behalf...I realized what I was seeing, was nothing short of WEIRD. Just, plain, weird. And I thought this birth certificate issue (check that, "Certificate of Live Birth" issue...as opposed to "Certification of Live Birth") was cleared up a long time ago. I thought there was no way the DNC would have been capable of such a gross oversight. Then the court cases came up, and nothing was done to quell the question. What finally landed me understanding that something is not right, is when Chiyome Fukino, Director of Health for Hawaii, released the statement about his birth. That statement actually did more harm than good, and it only demonstrated further how moronic far too many public officials and people in the media and governing bodies, think Americans are. Sure, America has it's slew of idiots. And sure, the aisle that questions Barack Obama's natural born and/or properly maintained citizenship statuses has it's smattering of fringe wingnuts. But just because one contingent of people happen to be on board, doesn't nullify the fact that the question is still outstanding. I hear the same 5 refutations over, and over, and over. "He posted his birth certificate on his website", "Factcheck proved it", "The state of Hawaii released a statement saying he was born there", "There was a birth announcement in a Hawaiian newspaper", "Judges meritoriously threw it out as 'frivolous'"; and while each of those statements hold an element of truth, they're also easily debunked. And "truth" is objective. There is no debunking it. We should be able to move past this on to more subjective and productive lines of communication...with all the dissent we're accustomed to...forging, like competition, improvement. But here we are. And one man can answer this objective question. And sure, not everyone will get on board if he were to release his college records and actual Certificate of Live Birth (as opposed to the factually less credible, more easily attained and more easily forged "Certification" - which bears no corroborating evidence like the hospital or doctor's name)...but many would get on board. Coming off a platform of transparency, directly in to a promised pursuit for unity...why leave so many of us divided on what is a simple and objectively debunked question? If the Certification is authentic, the it's more credible parent - the Certificate, exists. But rather than produce it, he has fought those requests so fiercely that he's allowed the same requests to land in court rooms...where he continues to fight them. Why? So rather than quell the reasonable, objective and easily answered outstanding question...he opts non disclosure. I wrote somewhere else that the production of Certificate of Live Birth is a very small price t pay for unity. And yet, here we are. And Barack Obama, and Barack Obama only, is responsible for that. I am certain of that beyond any reasonable doubt, because Barack Obama, and Barack Obama only, can quell it...with an actual Certificate of Live Birth, and he has watched requests transition to court cases, and still refuses. So as a first order of business, in a promised pursuit for unity, he leaves us divided, on what should be a very simple, very objective, very basic matter. Who among us can applaud that? "I do, Hank. Because you're all just whackjobs." That's all well and good if that's your opinion. My brother said to me, "Yeah but if we pull him out, we're going to look corrupt to the rest of the world." I replied, "I'd rather look corrupt and not be it, than be corrupt and not look it." So goes my position on being called a whackjob, for maintaining through nothing more than logic and fact, that there is a still outstanding question regarding Barack Obama's natural born and properly maintained citizenship statuses. I'd rather be called a whackjob and stand by truth, than submit to mistruths and be called sound. I didn't hear any of the 5 standard press talking points in your piece, which leads me to believe the transition I anticipated is occurring. That is, virtually all of supporters (and I don't know if you were one prior to November 4th or not), will go from, "He didn't commit fraud. He is a natural born citizen", to "So what if he committed fraud. So what if he isn't a natural born citizen." I've challenged others, staunch supporters in fact, as to whether or not they'd concede a gross misstep in character and judgement, and support his being held accountable for that, if he did commit this fraud. They've uniformly claimed they would. This article, blog, whatever it is...demonstrates the first piece I've actually seen that goes out of it's way to say, "No. I wouldn't. Barack Obama can lie, cheat and steal all he wants. And if he gets held accountable for it, it's the fault of the Justices...because Barack Obama himself, is simply incapable of wrongdoing." Running that red light you sit at, day after day, when no one is looking, is pretty harmless too. But you know it's wrong. This man, if not a natural born and properly maintained citizen of the United States, will have knowingly and willfully cheated our entire country, and more critical than that - our absolutely, inherently, unquestionably most coveted process of democracy - in what can only be articulated as a relentless pursuit for unapologetic, integrity-free, and division-inducing pursuit for power.Link.The Intellectual Redneck
However, I have no doubt that she will fully support him now that he has been elected.
Here's a link to Vivian's blog for those interested...
BTW, Vivian is a minister's wife and writer from Memphis.
Interesting blogs. I like her writing: no nonsense, straight forward.
Yur welcome. She’s one of the few on my blogroll. Very sensible person...high integrity!
At the time Arthur was born, citizenship of the child was inherited from the father. Women now have the right to their separate property, manage their own money, enter into contracts, vote, and pass on citizenship to their children.
Yes, but there is some question about Obama’s mother being a resident of US at a certain age for a certain number of years before giving birth, in order to pass her citizenship on as a single parent. Another queston concerns Obama’s stay in Indonesia, which I am not clear on since the truth is not known. Still many questions but the fact that the whole Court referred Donofrio’s case to Conference means they all thought it was important to consider.
Great post. Left to his own devices, Obama will take down America because of his own selfish desire for power. If he has nothing to hide, then show the birth certificate. If he has something to hide, then show it and step down. The planets do not revolve around him. America can survive without his leadership, despite what he thinks.
I'd like to see some proof on that.
Another queston concerns Obama’s stay in Indonesia, which I am not clear on since the truth is not known.
That is totally irelavant because a child can not relinquish his citizenship, nor can it be given up for him.
Still many questions but the fact that the whole Court referred Donofrio’s case to Conference means they all thought it was important to consider.
Donofrio's suit is against Nina Wells regarding her duty to "police the security of ballots in New Jersey from fraudulent candidates ineligible to hold the office of President of the United States due to their not being “natural born citizens” as enumerated in Article 1, Section 2, of the US Constitution."
Donofrio asserted that all three candidates on the New Jersey ballot did not meet the citizenship requirements for president.
If Obama was born on American soil, it doesn’t matter what his mother’s status was. I was born to Irish parents in New York. They were not yet citizens. I am a natural born American and could be president. If my parent had taken me back to Ireland, I would still be a natural born citizen. This is totally stupid and a waste of time.
Listen, I know how you feel about this. I worked hard for McCain but the people have spoken. We have president Obama now. He was duly elected and I have seen no reason to believe that he is not an American citizen. You have accept defeat and move on. It’s over.
I agree!
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