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Lou Dobbs: Outrageous, Bush pardons 14 people, including drug dealers, but not Ramos & Compean
CNN Lou Dobbs Tonight ^ | November 24, 2008 | Transcript Staff

Posted on 11/25/2008 12:50:24 AM PST by flattorney

- - Tonight an outrageous move from the White House, President Bush pardoning 14 people, including drug dealers. But not former border patrol agents Ramos and Compean.

DOBBS: President Bush today granted 14 pardons and he commuted two prison sentences. Five of those given clemency were convicted of serious drug charges. In what is an outrageous miscarriage of justice, former border patrols Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean serving lengthy prison sentences were not included on the president's list. They are serving those sentences for shooting and wounding an illegal alien drug dealer who they were pursuing and who was given immunity by the prosecutor to testify against those two border patrol agents. Hundreds of thousands of Americans have called for them to be released from prison. So far the White House has ignored those pleas and has done so again today.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aldretedavila; aliens; borderpatrol; bracewellgiuliani; bush; bush43; compean; compeanramos; drugsmuggler; immigrantlist; johnnysutton; kathleencardone; loudobbs; miscarriageofjustice; obama; pardons; presidentbush; ramos; ramosandcompean; ramoscompean; rogueprosecutor
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To: flattorney
Point of Order: Attorneys for Ramos & Compean could only recently ask for a Presidential pardon because their cases were still open. Once they were recently re-sentenced, by the lower court, - pursuant to the directives of the 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals - then a formal application with the DOJ Office of Pardon could be filed, which this was done in behalf of both men. Currently a review and recommendation by the DOJ-OOP is pending. Bush cannot do anything until the DOJ makes a decision in this matter, although he can ask for a review and recommendation expedite. As POTUS, Bush can then make any decision he desires in this matter, with or without regard to the DOJ-OOP’s recommendations. As previously posted, there are major Houston based attorneys and Republican “power players” that have recently become involved in this matter to obtain full pardons for Ramos & Compean. The overall position is that these two border agents have served enough prison time without further comments related to their misconduct or the prosecutorial misconduct of U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton and U.S. District Judge Kathleen Cardone in their cases.

Are you sure about that? If so, then how can the POTUS possibly "pardon" people who have never even been charged with a criminal act, as we've seen happen over the years?

Mark

21 posted on 11/25/2008 2:33:54 AM PST by MarkL
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To: P-Marlowe
Nah, no wonder can ever beat Jimmy Carter for that title!
22 posted on 11/25/2008 3:12:53 AM PST by Aussiebabe
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To: woofie
Last time I looked GW is in office until January 20 ...I think the time to get mad about this is January 21

Good point.

23 posted on 11/25/2008 3:13:52 AM PST by syriacus (OBAMA'S CHOICE ----> leave a newborn's fate in the hands of 2 people who wanted to kill her.)
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To: Ulysse

Bush has lead the Repubs (mostly gutless wonders anyway) off the electorial cliff.

Voters were not really voting for Obama because they wanted a black socialist, though the One Party Press did much to whitewash Obama and blackwash McCain/Palin.

Rather a case of Bush having done such a poor job on about everything but Iraq. Borders. Finances. And now robbing the poor to give to the rich (taxpayer bailouts of the big bankers).

Bush managed to piss off everyone. Pissed off the Dem’s by acting conservative on occasion. Pissed off the Repub’s by acting like a Dem too often. And managed to piss off both Dem’s and Repub’s simultaneously as both the average Repub and average Dem were for the border fence and stopping illegals entry and getting govt freebies.

Basically Bush governed as if he didn’t give a flying leap about what the average voter cared about. Particularly in his 2nd term.


24 posted on 11/25/2008 3:14:36 AM PST by OldArmy52 (Change a Socialist can believe in: Vote Obama. Your dog and dead Gramma did.)
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To: woofie
No surprise, this comment coming from you.
Anything to deflect...eh.
25 posted on 11/25/2008 3:36:23 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: OldArmy52

“Bush has lead the Repubs (mostly gutless wonders anyway) off the electorial cliff.”
>>>>>>................
had plenty of help from the bushbots on FR, and the GOP
leadership..which is liberal and filled with deviates
such as Graham and toe tappers
Conservatives have no home at the GOP.


26 posted on 11/25/2008 3:37:37 AM PST by shadowgovernment (From the Ashes of a Republican rout will raise a Conservative Party)
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To: RebelViking

...posting on FR less than a month...(I think you lost your way, DU is down the street)


27 posted on 11/25/2008 3:38:31 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: RebelViking
Yeah, but I am a real rightwinger that believes in law and order. Did your mom ever tell you that two wrongs don’t make a right?

You sound just like one of the "lifelong Republicans" who calls Rush from time to time.

28 posted on 11/25/2008 4:19:19 AM PST by libstripper
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To: RebelViking

Another hangover troll from DU? I say pardon them and send you to exile in lovely JUAREZ, Mex.


29 posted on 11/25/2008 4:32:35 AM PST by dusttoyou (First they steal our savings, then our liberty)
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To: 4woodenboats

Maybe they should change their names to “Scooter?”


30 posted on 11/25/2008 4:34:44 AM PST by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: Rick_Michael

LOL...Dobb’s seems to have found a new persona........

ANGRY ANGRY


31 posted on 11/25/2008 4:36:26 AM PST by Carley (Prayers for Sgt. Eddie Ryan)
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To: flattorney
Point of Order: Attorneys for Ramos & Compean could only recently ask for a Presidential pardon because their cases were still open. Once they were recently re-sentenced, by the lower court, - pursuant to the directives of the 5th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals - then a formal application with the DOJ Office of Pardon could be filed, which this was done in behalf of both men. Currently a review and recommendation by the DOJ-OOP is pending

REALLY?

Not wanting to bash our RINO, Compassionate Conservative any more than he DESERVES (WHICH IS A LOT) pray tell, why was he able to commute Scooter Libby's sentence MERE HOURS after a fed appeals court ruled that Libby could not stay out of prison pending appeal???

And though I am not absolutely certain, I believe that what the lawyer have done is to ask for the same, a commutation of sentence, and NOT a pardon.

Regardless, BUSH COULD HAVE COMMUTED THEIR SENTENCES LONG AGO, and IF he does NOT do something before leaving office, he will be forever considered a weasel, a turncoat and a hypocrite and the only reason for his not doing so, would be as a result of pressure being applied (directly or indirectly) from Mexico.

32 posted on 11/25/2008 4:39:14 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: flattorney

Bush needs to not only pardon these two men, but should apologize as well, for the hell they have been put through.


33 posted on 11/25/2008 4:59:02 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: Ulysse

Bush has been a bitter disappointment for me ever since the beginning of his second term. He deserves the abuse and derision he gets from the left because he has stuck it in the eye of the conservatives in this country almost nonstop. At first I sympathized with him and resented all the hate directed at him, but I’ve come to realize that when you don’t know whether you’re fish or fowl as Bush surely dosen’t, you bring these troubles upon yourself. Contrast him with Reagan, who true to his base and his own principles to the end, and you’ll find that Bush comes up sorely deficient as a leader, and like I said, was and is a bitter disappointment to those who put him in the White House to begin with.


34 posted on 11/25/2008 5:10:11 AM PST by RedCobra (r)
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To: lentulusgracchus

President Bush can’t lift a finger without the Council on Foreign Relations’ permission.

He doesn’t necessarily want this Mexican invasion, but the CFR plans to homogenize the U.S. and fold it onto the rest of the world. (Most key members of this and other administrations are and have been CFRs)


35 posted on 11/25/2008 5:11:22 AM PST by RoadTest (By their fruits shall ye know them.)
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To: P-Marlowe

This is ridiculous. If Bush doesn’t pardon these two gentlemen then I agree, he will be known as the worst president ever.


36 posted on 11/25/2008 5:11:31 AM PST by pctech
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To: explodingspleen

That would actually be really funny.

He could also pardon Al Gore for fraud.


37 posted on 11/25/2008 5:25:21 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Please contact President Bush and let him know you support the release/pardon of Compean and Ramos. Keep it nice. I know some think this wont help, but there is strength in numbers.

comments@whitehouse.gov
202-456-1111


38 posted on 11/25/2008 5:33:12 AM PST by mouse1 (I will fight for my America.)
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To: WildcatClan

They were found guilty of assault, civil rights violations, and the use of a gun during a crime of violence.

The evidence in the transcripts that they were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is that the transcripts indicate a jury of 12 people found them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. That is the only definition of the term that matters, and is why we have juries.

They originally were also convicted of Obstruction of Justice, but the 5th circuit threw out those convictions.

They were just re-sentenced on the 13th to the same sentence they had before.

I don’t think you can point to a single line in the transcript that would prove what you what you want. You have to read all 20 sections of the transcript.


39 posted on 11/25/2008 5:37:53 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: flattorney

He should just push Obama to do it, because Democrats traditionally have less respect for the law and might be more likely to pardon them.


40 posted on 11/25/2008 5:39:15 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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