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The game's afoot, Watson!( SCOTUS Process Obama Proof of Birth)
The Obama File Latest News ^ | 11/20/08 | Beckwith

Posted on 11/20/2008 8:28:49 AM PST by Candor7

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To: Windflier

“Repeat after me: It’s All Bush’s Fault! “

No, now it is Zero’s Fault!!!!


121 posted on 11/20/2008 11:58:29 AM PST by blf1776 (Compassionate Conservatism Is Dead - It is time to fight, fight, FIGHT!!!!)
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To: blf1776
No, now it is Zero’s Fault!!!!

Some will argue that Zero is Bush's fault.

122 posted on 11/20/2008 12:01:10 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
My understanding... Our votes on November 4th only selected the Electors, so the real votes for President and Vice-President have yet to be cast. If Obama were to be declared ineligible before January 8th (the day of the real vote) then really nothing changes, except the Electors cannot cast a vote for Obama. They can choose anyone they want, really. I'm suggesting that since the vast majority of them are there to vote for Obama they would never vote for McCain, but would most likely vote for Biden. I have a hard time seeing them vote for Hillary.

That's my opinion. I could be wrong.

123 posted on 11/20/2008 12:34:11 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: DJ MacWoW

Oops. January 8th should be December 15th.


124 posted on 11/20/2008 12:37:29 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: Cicero
Usually SCOTUS tries to avoid controversial decisions that will lead to political firestorms.

Insofar as they do, sometimes they're faced with a firestorm whichever way they go. If the "natural born" question isn't resolved by January 20, it will continue to accumulate speed & hysteria, and a growing number of citizens will have reason to question the administration's legitimacy - with easily dire consequences. Firestorm now, or firestorm later - some choice.

125 posted on 11/20/2008 12:45:48 PM PST by ctdonath2 (I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!)
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To: ItsForTheChildren
Another FReeper posted that Obama chose his electors from the party faithful so they wouldn't be McCain supporters and it's doubtful they'd choose Hillary although they could. I don't see how Biden could be chosen as he was picked by Obama and ran for VP, not Prez. And if Obama is found ineligible, is his VP pick also ineligible? Are his electors ineligible to vote if the Dems knowingly ran someone that didn't qualify?

Aren't the ins and outs of this fascinating?

126 posted on 11/20/2008 1:07:38 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: DJ MacWoW

To paraphrase Al-Zawahiri, Biden is the real “house negro” if you take that phrase at a literal sense.

I said when Biden was picked as VP candidate that he was on the ticket because of one reason - he’s the token white “WASP” guy.


127 posted on 11/20/2008 1:26:24 PM PST by Free America52
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To: ReignOfError

So does it all boil down to “jurisdiction.” Do you think SPOTUS will say they do not have “jurisdiction” here? I don’t think they will do this here.

Although if the Secretary of State did their job in each state and verified maybe we wouldn’t have needed to go to the SPOTUS.

I think the “natural born” issue is what it boils down to and not the actual original birth certificate. Leo Donofrio discussed it in great detail on Plain Radio a few days ago.


128 posted on 11/20/2008 1:29:53 PM PST by joygrace
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To: DJ MacWoW
As I understand it the Electors aren't really bound to vote for any particular person and can choose to vote for anyone who is eligible. Since they are picked by the party and are known to solidly back the "winner" of the popular vote the conclusion is foregone.

Now, if the "winner" is suddenly declared ineligible... well, then it gets interesting.

What I find hard to believe is that someone has gotten this far along in the process without his eligibility being absolutely, beyond question, 100% verified.

129 posted on 11/20/2008 1:53:11 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: itsahoot
Naturalized yes, Natural born, no.

And how do you determine naturalization laws without first defining natural born? Especially since the Constitution itself doesn't do so?

130 posted on 11/20/2008 2:03:25 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: ItsForTheChildren
As I understand it the Electors aren't really bound to vote for any particular person and can choose to vote for anyone who is eligible.

Well, not really.

List of Electors Bound by State Law and Pledges, as of November 2000

and

Must electors vote for the candidate who won their State's popular vote?

The Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some State laws provide that so-called "faithless electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector.

A problem is that Obama isn't the President-Elect until Dec 15th so the Constitution is mum on what the procedure is right now.

I agree. If the guy is ineligible it's amazing that he's gotten this far. His Illinois law license stated "no alias". But he was Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. No one even checked back then. Then again, what am I thinking? Illniois vet someone?!

131 posted on 11/20/2008 2:05:47 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Free America52

Wonder if Biden minded being the “token white”?


132 posted on 11/20/2008 2:06:55 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: SFR

They exchange ritual handshakes
what the heck?

____________________________________

After Obammie takes office......

They exchange ritual fist bumps.


133 posted on 11/20/2008 2:28:59 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: ReignOfError

If the Brethren were so inclined, they could finesse it under the Commerce Clause. Ghu knows there’s enough precedent, and this time for once they’d be doing it for the right reason.


134 posted on 11/20/2008 2:34:17 PM PST by Tenniel2 (Obama delenda est.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
And how do you determine naturalization laws without first defining natural born? Especially since the Constitution itself doesn't do so?

Ah, I think the term natural born just means citizen at birth -- born as a natural citizen.

Anyone that is naturalized becomes a citizen but wasn't born one.

135 posted on 11/20/2008 2:38:08 PM PST by mc6809e
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To: mc6809e
Ah, I think the term natural born just means citizen at birth -- born as a natural citizen.

Agreed. And Congress has determined who is a natural born citizen. The applicable law has been posted many times.

136 posted on 11/20/2008 2:42:02 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: DJ MacWoW

Biden was probably too giddy to be considered for VP to even realize that he was just being used.


137 posted on 11/20/2008 2:45:44 PM PST by Free America52
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To: DJ MacWoW
Thanks for the links and the education.

Any way you look at it it's gonna be an interesting few weeks. I'm glad SCOTUS at least decided to take a look at it. Seems to me that if there's ever a question about anyone's eligibility it needs to be investigated. Shoot, file a legal birth certificate when you file to run. Then we can check the age requirement, too.

138 posted on 11/20/2008 2:50:22 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: Free America52

For Biden it was a resurrected dream.


139 posted on 11/20/2008 2:59:38 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: ItsForTheChildren
You're welcome. I love poking around and finding interesting stuff.

It will be very interesting to see what SCOTUS does and their reasoning behind any action. Or inaction. And I wish that from now on anyone running for office needed to file a BC. I am amazed that they don't have to.

140 posted on 11/20/2008 3:04:01 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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