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No Landslide...The Numbers Speak Thousands NOT Millions
Various | 11-10-2008 | my favorite headache

Posted on 11/10/2008 2:28:52 PM PST by My Favorite Headache

If I read about the "landslide" election once more I will be forced to hurl bile. The raw data...the true numbers speak what happened in this election.

Obama won by: 204,577 in FL 206,770 in OH 202,110 in VA 13,993 in NC 25,836 in IN 119,896 in NV 140,732 in IA

That comes out to 913,914 votes. So yes...people are claiming McCain was crushed by 7 million votes but in all reality it was 913,914 votes in total that Obama needed at the end of the day. Turn out was lower than 2004 for the GOP...about 20% less. We pretty much know the reasons why Conservatives stayed home and fence sitting moderates went for "Change", but if we put a solid Conservative next time on the ticket we can surely pass up 913,914 make up voters in 4 years. These were the states that mattered the entire time.

We had good turn out in traditionally heavy red counties...if we are to be serious about reversing course in 2010 with the mid-terms...then focusing on a million voters spread across these states is not asking much at all if you really think about it.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bho2008; landslide; mccain; stayathomevoters; voterturnout
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1 posted on 11/10/2008 2:28:53 PM PST by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache

Sounds pretty good. Except that in the next elections we’ll have to overcome Chicago politics voter fraud on the national level.


2 posted on 11/10/2008 2:31:00 PM PST by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

repbulicans need to push for a cleaner voter registration list. Hate to see ppl vote multiple times or dead ppl/nonexisting ppl voting


3 posted on 11/10/2008 2:31:46 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: My Favorite Headache

Do you really believe the turnout was less than 2004, when you look at the people who registered to vote that was supposed to be the most in American history? I don’t believe that, and just wonder what happened to those votes.


4 posted on 11/10/2008 2:31:46 PM PST by Kackikat (.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Lordy, and that’s after all the FRAUD going on. Thanks a lot you “stay at home” idiots, and you who voted for this Marxist to ruin our country for our children and GRANDchildren, damn, each time I come across one of you, you will hear my mind in full.


5 posted on 11/10/2008 2:32:21 PM PST by brushcop (We remember SSG Harrison Brown, PVT Andrew Simmons B CO 2/69 3ID KIA Iraq OIF IV)
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To: subterfuge
Except that in the next elections we’ll have to overcome Chicago politics voter fraud on the national level.

As someone posted on a thread earlier today, you're assuming there will be another election...

6 posted on 11/10/2008 2:34:02 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: My Favorite Headache

ACORN


7 posted on 11/10/2008 2:34:36 PM PST by lmc12
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To: My Favorite Headache

A similar analysis done in 1988 showed how the change of some 500,000 votes in strategic states would have elected Michael Stanley Dukakis.


8 posted on 11/10/2008 2:35:29 PM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: 4rcane

The GOP had their chance-they had the POTUS and Congress.They could have gotten voter ID through for Federal elections.


9 posted on 11/10/2008 2:39:35 PM PST by MattinNJ (Uggghhhhhhhhh)
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To: lmc12

FBI needs to get cracking now. The mid-terms are crucial as we can set the tide like we did in 94...undermine the hell out of the marxist just like the left did to Bush for each and every day of his 8 years. Give a taste of his own medicine...not to mention Howard Dean won’t be leading the party any longer as he is stepping down.


10 posted on 11/10/2008 2:40:56 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

How did Fox news call those states so early? If the numbers are this close how did they do it? Did they rely on exit polling?


11 posted on 11/10/2008 2:42:55 PM PST by tuffie1
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To: My Favorite Headache
Actually it was half that number.

Change the following from Obama to McCain:

102,289 in FL

103,386 in OH

101,056 in VA

6997 in NC

12,919 in IN

70,267 in IA

59,949 in NV

Total change from Obama to McCain: 456,863

12 posted on 11/10/2008 2:43:00 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: subterfuge

Governor/Secretary of State offices crucial in 2010 election. The Secretary of State is where the fraudulent voter registrations get removed.


13 posted on 11/10/2008 2:46:10 PM PST by quintr
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To: brushcop

Republicans can learn from the Democrats (imho) by sticking with and supporting the candidate that makes it to the top of the heap.

I don’t know this for a fact but I suspect that there were a lot of people who stayed home rather than voting for McCain because they didn’t want to “hold their noses.”

Get real. Hope they enjoy the Dahlibam’s term of office. See if it’s any better than what would have been the case if they’d voted for McCain.


14 posted on 11/10/2008 2:48:54 PM PST by quintr
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To: My Favorite Headache

obama has at least as much political capital as Bush had in 2004. Something tells me BO will not sit on his hands and waste it as W did.


15 posted on 11/10/2008 2:49:09 PM PST by Unlikely Hero ("Time is a wonderful teacher; unfortunately, it kills all its pupils." --Berlioz)
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To: My Favorite Headache

We know that the SoS of Ohio had over 200,000 “questionable” votes she wouldn’t turn over before the election. I estimated that’s how many each State that ACORN worked in that the dems were worried about had at least 200, 000. Hmm. Looking at your figures it looks like they had what they needed.


16 posted on 11/10/2008 2:49:27 PM PST by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: 4rcane
republicans need to push for a cleaner voter registration list.

Republicans must do everything they can (in Republican states) to stop this early voting fraud.

It opens the system up to fraud, and fails to take into account last minute issues.

The GOP failed to heed warning after warning in years past that Democrats were reaching "critical mass" in their ability to stack voter registration results by....

Disallowing military ballots

Motor voter (inner city Democrats simply rubber stamp absentee ballots and the GOP is helpless to check for authenticity)

Massive third world immigration, especially Latin American influx which votes overwhelmingly Democrat (nothing against third world countries but let's have a little balance)

Republicans must stop being overcome by guilt at race, wealth, health care, taxes, etc.

IT MIGHT BE TOO late for conservatives to recover as Democrats will surely have MORE power to slant their ability to fraudulate the votes in years to come.

17 posted on 11/10/2008 2:49:39 PM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: quintr
The Secretary of State is where the fraudulent voter registrations get removed.

Or don't.

18 posted on 11/10/2008 2:49:48 PM PST by ducdriver (Quantum potes tantum aude.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

so where the hell were they coming up with the 7 million number? this does make me feel better however...


19 posted on 11/10/2008 2:52:20 PM PST by MountainWoman
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To: My Favorite Headache
Turn out was lower than 2004 for the GOP...about 20% less.

Does this take into account the fact that Republicans have been leaving the GOP since 2004?

20 posted on 11/10/2008 2:53:30 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Two comments: 1. There were more votes in 2008 than in 2004. Not many and I don’t believe there was a higher percentage, but there were about 1 million more votes.

2. The race was lost in six states that the hated Bush won: Ohio, Florida, Virginia, N.C, Indiana and Colorado. In both Ohio and Indiana, McCain got fewer votes than Bush did.

Next election won’t be as close, just like the second Clinton term.

I think that in this American Idol crazed world, we’re crazy to think the message is more important than who is singing the song. We need a stealth conservative who looks and sounds good, but in his values is the anti-Obama. Just like Obama is the anti-conservative.


21 posted on 11/10/2008 2:53:55 PM PST by JeanLM
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To: My Favorite Headache

HOw many of those votes were ACORN frauds???


22 posted on 11/10/2008 2:55:33 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: My Favorite Headache

oh wait...they’re including popular vote, yes?


23 posted on 11/10/2008 2:57:29 PM PST by MountainWoman
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To: Kackikat
Do you really believe the turnout was less than 2004, when you look at the people who registered to vote that was supposed to be the most in American history? I don’t believe that, and just wonder what happened to those votes.

Uh, they weren't GOP...

In Florida, Democratic registration gains this year are more than double those made by Republicans; in Colorado and Nevada the ratio is 4 to 1, and in North Carolina it is 6 to 1. Even in states with nonpartisan registration, the trend is clear -- of the 310,000 new voters in Virginia, a disproportionate share live in Democratic strongholds.


24 posted on 11/10/2008 2:59:18 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

And here’s another number for your total: 500,000. That’s the number of absentee ballots cast by military personnel stationed overseas. So far, it’s unclear how many of those votes were actually counted. Polling suggests that at least 2/3 of those ballots were cast for John McCain. Now, divide that number among the various battleground states and the race is even closer.

Republicans should make military voting rights a priority for the next Congress, and raise hell when the Democrats stall. The Dims have never supported military voting reforms, and aren’t about to start now. It’s a winning issue, particularly when we learn how many of those votes went uncounted.


25 posted on 11/10/2008 2:59:51 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook
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To: My Favorite Headache
So what you are saying is, if we can just fire the right million people...
26 posted on 11/10/2008 3:01:18 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Alex Murphy
There will be another election.

They can try anything they please, there will still be another election. Over whatever they require - do the math.

Oh, and it is AOF.

27 posted on 11/10/2008 3:02:46 PM PST by JasonC
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To: My Favorite Headache

Spin.


28 posted on 11/10/2008 3:05:40 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: lmc12
ACORN

I think ACORN was just a distraction.
I believe it was to keep our eyes off MoveOn.
Oboma made a record amount of money through the Internet this election, in $200 purchased debit card increments, so the money couldn't be traced - form people who live on food stamps !!??? I think not.
So, what do you think MoveOn was up to all this time when no one was paying attention to THEM.?

29 posted on 11/10/2008 3:05:48 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: My Favorite Headache
We pretty much know the reasons why Conservatives stayed home

Largely because the media trumpeted for days before the elections that McCain had already lost.

If those voters had not listened and voted anyway, McCain very well would have won.

It doesn't matter what happens in the intervening time. The Dems always depend mostly on the last month or so before Nov. 4 to do most of their winning. Whether it's Mark Foley-type tactics, the media lying about how the polls are going for the Dem whatever. The last month is when most of the dirty tricks are done to depress the Repub vote.

30 posted on 11/10/2008 3:07:28 PM PST by what's up
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To: JeanLM
Next election won’t be as close, just like the second Clinton term.

If the right wing vote had not been split by Ross Perot, Clinton would have lost that reelection.

31 posted on 11/10/2008 3:09:43 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: tuffie1

It would be nice if voter results for each state were withheld until ALL votes for that state are in and counted.


32 posted on 11/10/2008 3:10:54 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Obama, you are NOT my President!)
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To: what's up
Largely because the media trumpeted for days before the elections that McCain had already lost.

I agree. I don't think McCain would have gotten any where near this close if it weren't for Sara, though. People wanted to vote for her.

33 posted on 11/10/2008 3:15:11 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: freedomwarrior998

McCain couldn’t wait to throw up his hands and quit.

They should have contested EVERY %@#*# ballot.


34 posted on 11/10/2008 3:17:32 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U
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To: Gondring
(Shift in Republican registrations)

The Republicans always give us something to vote against, but they never give us anything to vote FOR. I think people are getting tired of that trick. I sure am.

Either they go back to their conservative roots, or they're going to keep losing people to the independent group. Why be a Republican when you can vote democrat and get the same thing (with maybe a little extra $$freebie on the side)?

35 posted on 11/10/2008 3:21:46 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: My Favorite Headache
Well, barring the dems legalizing 10 million uneducated, poor voters that they will give your stuff to, which in all probability will put them in power for the rest of our lives, there isn't much the Repubs need except be true to their principals and grow a set of nads.

The dems lie, cheat and steal; they engage in voter fraud and solicit and accept illegal monies, both foreign and domestic and there's barely a peep from the Repubs.

They offer the hand of "bipartasinship" to the dems and it gets bitten off. What do they do? Offer the other hand. They let themselves be shouted down like Elizabeth Hasselback on "the view".

The President should also have taken McCain, Specter, Snow, Hagel and the other Rinos to the woodshed and told them "I get your vote on this issue or your career is done".

Personally, I think that, with 2 or 3 Rinos the dems already have their fillibuster proof majority and they will pass anything they want, constitutional or not.

Mr. Franklin, we could not keep the Republic.

36 posted on 11/10/2008 3:30:29 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Kackikat
Do you really believe the turnout was less than 2004, when you look at the people who registered to vote that was supposed to be the most in American history? I don’t believe that, and just wonder what happened to those votes.

Something must have happened to "Mickey Mouse" on the way to his poling place.

Register a lot more people and your percentage turnout may go down if they don't show up to vote.

There's a difference between the percentage of registered voters who cast ballots and the percentage of eligible voters who do so.

37 posted on 11/10/2008 3:31:19 PM PST by x
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To: My Favorite Headache

And about that win in Ohio by approximately 200,000 votes-—strangely that is the number of the “questionable” (mostly ACORN) ballots that leftist SOS Jennifer Brunner refused to run checks on to see if they were legit. By the way, Ohio has 88 counties, and 66 of them went for McCain.


38 posted on 11/10/2008 3:38:34 PM PST by Faith
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To: MountainWoman

Correct...nationally...so they like to inflate by adding crap in like NY, CA, Ill, MA,NJ which are all liberal and will never be a bellweather and always will be blue. But when it comes to battleground all we really lost by was a little less than 1 million votes. We can make that up in 2 years with no problem. We just need fresh voices and fresh faces.


39 posted on 11/10/2008 3:42:36 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: tuffie1
Did they rely on exit polling?

Yes and returns from key areas.

40 posted on 11/10/2008 4:01:23 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: concerned about politics
I think ACORN was just a distraction.

I think it is the boogie man, each year they are going to turn out record numbers of young voters, each year it doesn't happen.

41 posted on 11/10/2008 4:03:57 PM PST by org.whodat ( "the Whipped Dog Party" , what was formally the republicans.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

God i LOVE your optimism! :)


42 posted on 11/10/2008 4:12:47 PM PST by MountainWoman
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To: x; Gondring

The news stated that both parties had registered more voters and would have almost double the turnout of 2004...so what happened? All stayed home? No I will never believe that...it’s screwy at best.


43 posted on 11/10/2008 4:13:04 PM PST by Kackikat (.)
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To: Eagles6

Woodshed? Democracy? What?


44 posted on 11/10/2008 4:15:02 PM PST by Kackikat (.)
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To: Kackikat

Huh?


45 posted on 11/10/2008 4:18:24 PM PST by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: Kackikat
[...]would have almost double the turnout of 2004 [...]

Who said that?!? Citation, please.

46 posted on 11/10/2008 4:30:42 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

http://news.google.com/news?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS277&q=expected+voter+turnout+over+2004%3F&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=1&ct=title

The first article from WI talks of 50% more turnout expected, but fell short. The other articles are more closely associated with what happened.


47 posted on 11/10/2008 4:54:14 PM PST by Kackikat (.)
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To: Kackikat

50% is not 100%.

Perhaps you heard comparisons to off-year election turnout? That happened in many places.


48 posted on 11/10/2008 4:56:49 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

That may be it...

You know we lost VA over 12,000 votes and NC by over 22,000..that seems odd to me because NC is usually a red state.


49 posted on 11/10/2008 4:58:21 PM PST by Kackikat (.)
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The first article from WI talks of 50% more turnout expected, but fell short.

No, it doesn't.

It says that there were 50% more absentee ballots in 2008 than 2004.

50 posted on 11/10/2008 4:59:16 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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