Obama citizen question goes to U.S. Supreme Court

Legal Newsline ^ | 10/26/2008

[jasonmyos]

WASHINGTON (Legal Newsline)-The former deputy Pennsylvania attorney general who challenged Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama's qualifications to be president has appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Lafayette Hill, Pa.-based attorney Philip Berg, a self-described "moderate to liberal" Democrat who supported Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, alleged that the Illinois senator is not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency.

He had his lawsuit rejected Friday by U.S. District Judge Richard Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

[ASA Vet]

Story was already in broken news,

[Mark]

Obama is just doing the job that U.S. citizens won’t do.

[Brian S. Fitzgerald]

What’s wrong with being absolutely sure a candidate is eligible? If he evades, there is no choice but to conclude there is a deception underway. If his Party is helping him, its collusion. If he is ineligible, by the US Constitution, he is spitting on the foundation document of our Country.

[RatsDawg]

If he gets in can we call him the Undocumented President?

[Islander7]

FINALLY! This story is gaining legs.

If their is nothing to hide, why not release his vault COLB?

[Lancer_N3502A]

1. Non U.S. born citizen.
2. Known supporter and contributor to local, state and federal election fraud.
3. Known supporter and associate of known domestic terrorists.
4. Known supporter and associate of foreign terrorists.
5. Known supporter and member of multiple anti-American and Pro Socialist, Marxist and Communist organizations.

Yup, he'd be my choice for President.

[doug from upland]

I am still trying to understand why the original was supposedly thoroughly inspected by factcheck.org, who said it was real. Why not show it to the court and end it?

[Brian S. Fitzgerald]

Why is Senator Obama perpetuating the intrigue?

I think if he wins we may have little recourse. If a subpoena is required to obtain his documents, wouldn't it have to originate in a Democratically controlled Senate committee?

[Kevmo]

Here’s one way to note the bias of the media: They call it a citizenship question when it’s an eligibility question based upon whether he’s natural born. No one doubts he’s a citizen, just whether he’s natural born per the constitutional rules.

[308am]

The harm of disregarding the constitution is “too vague and its effects too attenuated....”

I cannot believe my ears, this guy went to law school? And who appointed him? The courts in this country are definitely a free for all.

[Brian S. Fitzgerald]

I am still trying to understand why the original was supposedly thoroughly inspected by factcheck.org, who said it was real. Why not show it to the court and end it?

Are you referring to the pictures at the site?

[Brian S. Fitzgerald]

No one doubts he’s a citizen, just whether he’s natural born per the constitutional rules.

In fact there is a question of his citizenship. If he ever was a citizen of the US, it may have evaporated when he resided in INdonesia. That is the second question, the first being "was he born in Hawaii or not".

[Vortex]

Let's see, if we can't even validate the natural born citizenship status of the candidates, how can we validate the citizenship voters?

[Red Steel]

The essence of having a “natural born’ president written into the U.S, Constitution is loyalty to the nation.

All the reasons you cite in your post makes Obama not.

[Aliska]

The SC can choose whether to hear a case or not. I don't think they will want to touch this one. But regular people commenting on boards are starting to mention it, so it's out there whether they want it to be or not.

Under the Patriot Act, and how Joe the Plumber's privacy has been invaded, would he be able to force FR to turn over our personal info to the govt? He agreed to force ISP's to turn over records; I don't know if it's separate legislation or an addendum to the PA. Curious minds want to know. It's making me afraid to post here.

[missnry]

No one doubts he’s a citizen, ...

Actually I believe there is a question out there regarding his citizenship of Indonesia! Apparently when he travelled to Pakistan in his college days he travelled under an Indonesian passport. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. There is no record of Obama renouncing his citizenship of Indonesia.
Obama has to be in a full panic mode right now ...

[dman4384]

This is starting to get interesting.

For the longest time, I’ve kinda rolled my eyes at the birth certificate question. I think its real and wishful thinking that he faked it.

But. Why?..Why fight this all the way to the Supreme Court?

Why doesn’t The Obama just have one of his acolytes deliver to whatever court is hearing the case, the birth certificate and just shut the whole thing down (and in the process make Berg look like an idiot)?

Seems to me for The Obama to fight against showing his birth certificate all the way to the Supreme Court..maybe there is something.

Heck, I had to show my birth certificate to my employer when I joined my company to prove my citizenship. Why should the job of President be held to a less standard?

[realcleanguy]

escalate this issue to the top. Get it out front in the system and the news. let everyone know about it

[BCrago66]

The case didn’t go to the Supreme Court. The idiot 9/11 Truther Berg requested that it go to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court will say: Forget it.

[doug from upland]

I’m referring to their story with the photos.

[antiunion person]

Why bother going to the US Supreme Court?? Aren't they the ones that allowed 200,000 voting applications not get investigated in Ohio or Penn?? Personally, I think if a person can't prove he is a citizen with birth certificate in hand, he shouldn't be allowed to even run for the presidency. What's next, Arnold the President in 2012??

[Lancer_N3502A]

That would be correct...NOT! ;-)

[mkjessup]

Under the Patriot Act, and how Joe the Plumber's privacy has been invaded, would he be able to force FR to turn over our personal info to the govt? He agreed to force ISP's to turn over records; I don't know if it's separate legislation or an addendum to the PA. Curious minds want to know. It's making me afraid to post here.

You might consider the fates of just some of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, and then revisit that feeling of being 'afraid':

Francis Lewis, New York delegate, saw his home plundered and his estates, in what is now Harlem, completely destroyed by British soldiers. Mrs. Lewis was captured and treated with great brutality. Though she was later exchanged for two British prisoners through the efforts of Congress, she died from the effects of her abuse.

William Floyd, another New York delegate, was able to escape with his wife and children across Long Island Sound to Connecticut, where they lived as refugees without income for seven years. When they came home, they found a devastated ruin.

Phillips Livingstone had all his great holdings in New York confiscated and his family driven out of their home. Livingstone died in 1778 still working in Congress for the cause.

Louis Morris, the fourth New York delegate, saw all his timber, crops, and livestock taken. For seven years he was barred from his home and family.

John Hart of Trenton, New Jersey, risked his life to return home to see his dying wife. Hessian soldiers rode after him, and he escaped in the woods. While his wife lay on her deathbed, the soldiers ruined his farm and wrecked his homestead. Hart, 65, slept in caves and woods as he was hunted across the countryside. When at long last, emaciated by hardship, he was able to sneak home, he found his wife had already been buried, and his 13 children taken away. He never saw them again. He died a broken man in 1779, without ever finding his family.

Dr. John Witherspoon, signer, was president of the College of New Jersey, later called Princeton. The British occupied the town of Princeton, and billeted troops in the college. They trampled and burned the finest college library in the country.

Judge Richard Stockton, another New Jersey delegate signer, had rushed back to his estate in an effort to evacuate his wife and children. The family found refuge with friends, but a sympathizer betrayed them. Judge Stockton was pulled from bed in the night and brutally beaten by the arresting soldiers. Thrown into a common jail, he was deliberately starved. Congress finally arranged for Stockton's parole, but his health was ruined. The judge was released as an invalid, when he could no longer harm the British cause. He returned home to find his estate looted and did not live to see the triumph of the revolution. His family was forced to live off charity.

Robert Morris, merchant prince of Philadelphia, delegate and signer, met Washington's appeals and pleas for money year after year. He made and raised arms and provisions which made it possible for Washington to cross the Delaware at Trenton. In the process he lost 150 ships at sea, bleeding his own fortune and credit almost dry. George Clymer, Pennsylvania signer, escaped with his family from their home, but their property was completely destroyed by the British in the Germantown and Brandywine campaigns.

Dr. Benjamin Rush, also from Pennsylvania, was forced to flee to Maryland. As a heroic surgeon with the army, Rush had several narrow escapes.

John Morton, a Tory in his views previous to the debate, lived in a strongly loyalist area of Pennsylvania. When he came out for independence, most of his neighbors and even some of his relatives ostracized him. He was a sensitive and troubled man, and many believed this action killed him. When he died in 1777, his last words to his tormentors were: "Tell them that they will live to see the hour when they shall acknowledge it [the signing] to have been the most glorious service that I rendered to my country."

William Ellery, Rhode Island delegate, saw his property and home burned to the ground.

Thomas Lynch, Jr., South Carolina delegate, had his health broken from privation and exposures while serving as a company commander in the military. His doctors ordered him to seek a cure in the West Indies and on the voyage he and his young bride were drowned at sea.

Edward Rutledge, Arthur Middleton, and Thomas Heyward, Jr., the other three South Carolina signers, were taken by the British in the siege of Charleston. They were carried as prisoners of war to St. Augustine, Florida, where they were singled out for indignities. They were exchanged at the end of the war, the British in the meantime having completely devastated their large land holdings and estates.

Thomas Nelson, signer of Virginia, was at the front in command of the Virginia military forces. With British General Charles Cornwallis in Yorktown, fire from 70 heavy American guns began to destroy Yorktown piece by piece. Lord Cornwallis and his staff moved their headquarters into Nelson's palatial home. While American cannonballs were making a shambles of the town, the house of Governor Nelson remained untouched. Nelson turned in rage to the American gunners and asked, "Why do you spare my home?" They replied, "Sir, out of respect to you." Nelson cried, "Give me the cannon!" and fired on his magnificent home himself, smashing it to bits. But Nelson's sacrifice was not quite over. He had raised $2 million for the Revolutionary cause by pledging his own estates. When the loans came due, a newer peacetime Congress refused to honor them, and Nelson's property was forfeited. He was never reimbursed. He died, impoverished, a few years later at the age of 50.

Lives, fortunes, honor...

Of those 56 who signed the Declaration of Independence, nine died of wounds or hardships during the war. Five were captured and imprisoned, in each case with brutal treatment. Several lost wives, sons or entire families. One lost his 13 children. Two wives were brutally treated. All were at one time or another the victims of manhunts and driven from their homes. Twelve signers had their homes completely burned. Seventeen lost everything they owned. Yet not one defected or went back on his pledged word. Their honor, and the nation they sacrificed so much to create, is still intact.

And, finally, there is the New Jersey signer, Abraham Clark. He gave two sons to the officer corps in the Revolutionary Army. They were captured and sent to the infamous British prison hulk afloat in New York harbor known as the hell ship "Jersey," where 11,000 American captives were to die. The younger Clarks were treated with a special brutality because of their father. One was put in solitary and given no food. With the end almost in sight, with the war almost won, no one could have blamed Abraham Clark for acceding to the British request when they offered him his sons' lives if he would recant and come out for the King and parliament. The utter despair in this man's heart, the anguish in his very soul, must reach out to each one of us down through 200 years with his answer: "No."

With thanks and full credit to:

http://usff.com/usff/sacredhonor.html

[eartotheground]

clinton

[RepublicanChick]

Check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

[Hang'emAll]

Why doesn’t The Obama just have one of his acolytes deliver to whatever court is hearing the case, the birth certificate and just shut the whole thing down (and in the process make Berg look like an idiot)?...........

The certificate of live birth that he shows in public is given out to people in Hawaii who may not be able to produce an original birth certificate or are adopted and need to get one put in their new name.

Well either he has a Kenyan original in the files or (and I hate to bring this up) as Andy Martin said Frank Marshall Davis is his daddy.

The original birth certificate could say Barry Dunham and list no one as the daddy as it was a secret and Marshall was already married.

Between the Obama senior and Lolo Soetoro episodes the file could be very big. But the final document is the one that is posted on the internet. It does not show that he is a natural born citizen but a citizen of Hawaii.

[XR7]

I cannot believe my ears, this guy went to law school?

Of course.
How else could he come up with such convoluted reasoning?

[tommix2]

We had better not have him disqualified because he will lose in a landslide, but if he is disqualified, Biden or someone else might take his place and be harder to defeat than Obama.

[XR7]

The essence of having a “natural born’ president written into the U.S, Constitution is loyalty to the nation.

That's why all the screwy nations of the world want him to be POTUS.
He'll be loyal to the world, not the US.

[RepublicanChick]

I agree with your sentiments, eye roll and all. I am still leery about the whole thing, but this doesn't pass the smell test.

Why doesn't Barry release his birth certificate, medical records, college records, etc. The list goes on and on.

Aside from the missing docs, this guy is a Socialist, period. He cannot be elected.

[Marie2]

Because there is no original. That’s my conclusion.

[Aliska]

Thanks. I read that several months ago, and will read it again tomorrow.

We know that through their sacrifice, we were bequeathed a great nation. But they wouldn't have known whether their efforts and hardships were a success or failure.

People had morals then (despite the revisionists), sure there were lapses, but not rampant immorality everywhere you turn now. I don't want to forfeit my life for more of that.

But we aren't privy to the future. And neither did they know if their efforts were in vain or not.

[SatinDoll]

“Why doesn’t Barry release his birth certificate, medical records, college records...”

Because those documents all list his birthplace, and in the case of college admission applications, it also list one’s nationality.

I believe Obama is hiding not only his foreign origins and birth, but by concealing his Illinois legislative records, he is attempting to lie his way - literally! - into the White House.

[river rat]

"....inspected by factcheck.org, who said it was real."

1. "Factcheck.org" is hardly the most appropriate or competent party to be examining documents.. Especially in an era where passable digital forgeries can be prepared in even the average household -- and nearly PERFECT forgeries in professional shops.

2. Being "real" does not mean AUTHENTIC...
Toilet paper is real - but it isn't a valid authentic Birth Certificate..

What possible explanation could there be for a Presidential Candidate to refuse access to a BIRTH CERTIFICATE????

Only ONE comes to mind -- His Birth Certificate would render him ineligible to run for President...

[AlexW]

“I am still trying to understand why the original was supposedly thoroughly inspected by factcheck.org, who said it was real. Why not show it to the court and end it?”

I have not kept up with this as I should, but it is my understanding that the purported certificate is the “short form”, which is easy to counterfit, and the one that document experts have said it is a fraud.

The “long form” which I use for myself, includes the original
birth record with many details, including length or time in hospital.
You can see them here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_birth

It is also my understanding that the ailing grandmother claims that Hussein was born in Kenya.

I am sure, however, this will go nowhere. Remember, Hussein is the anointed one. Our new god of the USSA.

[avenir]

Thanks for posting that, it brings all this drama home. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed...”

[EQAndyBuzz]

“I am still trying to understand why the original was supposedly thoroughly inspected by factcheck.org, who said it was real. Why not show it to the court and end it?”

When did you stop beating your wife?

He can’t address it. If he does, the question going through all Americans minds would be, why did he wait so long? Was he hiding something? Did he wait so long because he had to forge the documents?

Best he ignores it and paints Berg as a loony with an agenda.

[NoLibZone]

Also note that factcheck.org is an annenberg site.

Ayers.

[Bellflower]

I don't think he can “get in”. If he is illegal then his “Presidency” would be counterfeit and not of legal standing. John McCain automatically wins having the most legal votes, being a legal candidate.

[milford421]

ping

[Caipirabob]

If he gets in can we call him the Undocumented President?

Why sure! Make sure you write us from re-education camp!

/not sure if I'm joking

"Welcome to Camp Obama"

[wintertime]

What possible explanation could there be for a Presidential Candidate to refuse access to a BIRTH CERTIFICATE???? Only ONE comes to mind -- His Birth Certificate would render him ineligible to run for President...

The above two sentences should be made into a commercial....So?....Why hasn't the RNC or one of the PACs done this? I am sitting here scratching my head wondering.

[usconservative]

If he gets in can we call him the Undocumented President?

He'll certainly be the Affirmative Action President.

Think about it for a minute. He couldn't have gotten into Harvard if it weren't for Affirmative Action. If he hadn't have gotten into Harvard, would he be a Presidential Candidate today? Don't think so. He'd be stuck in ACORN Community Organizer hell.

[Bellflower]

To draw a picture it like if someone “wins” a gold metal and it is discovered that they were on illegal drugs during the competition they have to forfeit the gold medal losing all rights to it as though they had never received it. They never actually did win it. The next athlete in line would automatically receive the gold metal with absolutely no deference to the one who forfeited it whatsoever. They were disqualified as soon as they took the drugs retroactively.

[General Mosby]

“It seems that Judge R. Barclay Surrick decided to cover his butt in getting rid of the Berg v Obama fraud case in a 34 page statement which concluded that the Constitution gives citizens, political parties or voters no jurisdiction over policing if someone qualifies for the presidency.”

**Not my quote just using for explanation purposes”

Well then who does?

This Iraq veteran feels he earned at least this much!

[Calpernia]

>>>Here’s one way to note the bias of the media: They call it a citizenship question when it’s an eligibility question based upon whether he’s natural born.

That is exactly how the responses started when we all first started posting about the birth certificate issue here at FR. We all had to go round and round each time to explain the difference between natural born vs. naturalized.

[mombi]

If Obama were honest, he would just turn over his COLB to a judge that asked for it. Since he doesn’t, he is admitting he is dishonest.