Some Christian voters lean toward Obama, study finds (Religious Left Alert)

What the article doesn't tell you is that "Public Religion Research" and "Faith in Public Life" are both major left-wing tools.

Some Christian voters lean toward Obama...

and wisper “Are you that anti-Christ feller?”

I happen to be one of those young evangelicals. Believe me, there is little love for liberalism among us.

“Younger Americans, including younger Americans of faith, are not the culture war generation”

Whether they want to BELIEVE it or not, they ARE part of the culture war when they seek to REDEFINE centuries of religious teaching to say that homosexuality and abortion are not immoral.

The study also suggests that while Sen. John McCain maintains the loyalty of weekly church attendees, Sen. Barack Obama has captured those who attend once or twice a month

Chinese menu Christianity. Pick one from column A, choose one from column B, with a substitute of Paganism on the side.

If you're only going to church once per month, you're not a serious Christian.

This study is completely bogus and the numbers cooked up to make a headline.

.......Robert P. Jones, Ph.D., is the President of Public Religion Research, a consulting firm advising national advocacy groups. Dr. Jones is also a Visiting Fellow in Religion at The Third Way, a progressive think tank, and a regular columnist for the online magazine Religion Dispatches. His firm specializes in research on religion and values using national public opinion surveys and focus groups, as well as coalition building between progressive political groups and religious communities.........................

From "ABOUT ME" on his web page. He's a 1 man left wing tool.

If these so called “Christians” lean towards the Obomination then they are NOT Christians.

Christ would NEVER approve of advocating abortion, much less INFANTCIDE! To be a Christian is to follow Christ as closely as you can. When voting for candidates, you have a CHOICE. Coveting the MONEY of others is wrong and murdering babies is wrong - that's a no brainer! There are no perfect mortal candidates but you don't have to vote for the most VILE of them.

http://www.faithinpubliclife.org/about/background.html

The 2004 elections brought a resurgence in religious advocacy for social and economic justice. Yet the Religious Right continued to dominate public discourse on issues of faith — primarily targeting issues of abortion and homosexuality — and virtually ignoring issues of justice and the common good. In December 2004, national religious leaders – including Jim Wallis, Rabbi David Saperstein, Rev. Jim Forbes, Rev. Bob Edgar, Sr. Catherine Pinkerton, Rev. C. Welton Gaddy, and Rev. Timothy McDonald — gathered in Washington, DC to confront the challenges facing the burgeoning social justice faith movement.

They are a 501c3 group. They cannot engage in political activism to get Obama elected. Pushing a biased poll gets awfully close to advocacy.

I happen to be one of those young evangelicals. Believe me, there is little love for liberalism among us.

I wish I could say the same. My cousin, who claims to be a Christian, attends a mega church in the San Fran CA. area, is a big bambi supporter. I've tried reaching him on how wrong it is to support a person who doesn't want to protect the most innocent in our society, but he won't hear any of it.

**********applauding **************you, thane!!!
You are right. This article is definitely NOT referring to conservative Evangelicals!!

Polly

“Two-thirds of young Catholics preferred bigger, activist government”

The Left says that it is Christian to have more government social programs. So where is the ACLU blocking these Christian government reforms?

If you don’t follow that stripe of Christianity, you shouldn’t have to pay taxes to fund it in government.

“Young Catholics, mainline Protestants and evangelicals are bridging the divides that entrenched the older generation.”

Yes and GENUINE Christian KNOW this:

There will be a “falling away” from Christianity.

2Thes.2:3

[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

And sound doctrine, will NOT be tolerated:

1Tim.1:10

[10] For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

2Tim.4:3

[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

This is where it is at for Christianity. Genuine Christians KNOW the times we are living in.

When I see stupid articles like this I am sad but also encouraged that He will be coming soon to remove us from this liberal utopia. Let the liberals reap what they are sowing without genuine Christians on the earth.

These left wing “research” organizations are highlighting deception from all angles.

This is not what we have seen traveling the country seeing family and friends. The old line, now liberal Churches are dying and have congregations that look geriatric. The young people are flocking to the new big churches with programs and are 99% conservative. We have some old friends who have become liberal with their old churches and are upset with their kids who have turned conservative and go to the mega church.

Other polls have shown that voters view the Democratic Party as unfriendly to faith, but this one found that Mr. Obama is overcoming that. Forty-nine percent of voters viewed Mr. Obama as friendly toward religion, while 45 percent saw Mr. McCain that way.

49% viewed Mr. Obama as friendly towards religion. So long as you don't cling to it (on issues like homosexuality and abortion).

Young people are stupid. The socialism they pick up from their lefty profs is an easy concept when you have no money and are mooching off your parents.

One day those young people will be wondering why taxes are so high and there are none of those nice cushy white collar jobs that are their birthright. Enjoy it, cultists.

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Being part of a NCCUSA denomination would be a good indicator of this preference.

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lol

The big move to co-opt religion (specifically Christianity) got underway in 2004 and ramped up in 2006. Look at the keyword “Godgap” (or search God Gap on the internet). ReligiousLeft is another keyword to look back upon.

This is part of the effort to target those voters who “cling” to religion. They figure you won’t notice that Church teachings are changing before your eyes.

Indeed. If Democrats were really half as compassionate as they claim to be, they wouldn’t be supporting infanticide.

It isn’t just abortion. The Bible, especially the OT, is strongly against corruption in government, be it in 1 and 2 Kings, the Psalms, Proverbs, or whatever. Apparently God considers this a major problem. Does your cousin realize that 0bama came to power threw the most corrupt political machine in the country? Does your cousin realize that Chicago doesn’t even have democratic elections anymore, but rather the Dems pick the candidates and the “community organizers” deliver the votes via fraud? Does your cousin realize, for instance, that in a recent Cook County board election where a Republican was possibly going to get a seat for the first time since before ducks could fly, the Democrat machine withheld ballots and pencils to precincts that tended to be more GOP friendly? Does your cousin realize that 0bama’s friend Gov. Rod Blagojevich is a hair’s breadth from being indicted, or that it is an open secrt in Chicago that Richard Daley is a complete crook in bed with the mafia?

The ones that this article is referring to are “lost” - they’ve been indoctrinated, yet still hold to the idea that they are Christians.

Christianity is exclusive, and excludes all the ideas of the left.

As just a simple example, you can’t be Christian and think that inspiring people to covet others’ property and empowering government to steal it is OK.

The big move to co-opt religion (specifically Christianity) got underway in 2004 and ramped up in 2006. Look at the keyword “Godgap” (or search God Gap on the internet). ReligiousLeft is another keyword to look back upon.

It was happeneing before then. It’s been slow and seductive. Rick Warren really sped things up with his works driven approach. I better understand it - he wants people to have a “purpose” and hopefully by doing good deeds you’ll find Christ. It typically doesn’t work that way. It’s all about turning over your life to Him and having good works follow but not the other way around.

This is part of the effort to target those voters who “cling” to religion. They figure you won’t notice that Church teachings are changing before your eyes.

I’ve noticed. At the moment we aren’t going to church. It’s becoming more and more liberal and “in your face with it”. It’s not subtle as it used to be.

I got some news for you, those aren’t Christian voters, or they know nothing about Obama.

The big move to co-opt religion (specifically Christianity) got underway in 2004...

No, it began long, long before that.

The Bible is heavily in favor of taking care of the poor. Liberals like to claim to be righteous in this, but those who know the internal politics know that there is no way the Democrats want to help the poor get out of poverty, because people who get out of poverty tend to favor Republicans more than the poor.

Why have the Democrats, after being in power in Chicago forever, not cleaned up the crime and poverty on the South Side? Because they know that if they cleaned up the South Side, it would become more prosperous, safe, and educated, and thus more Republican. If you cut out the South Side of Chicago, then IL is as red a state as you’ll find anywhere.

"Younger Americans, including younger Americans of faith, are not the culture war generation," said Robert Jones, president of Public Religion Research, which did the survey.

Many believe that large government can do the Lord's work, sadly. It enables people to wash their hands of having to care for the poor and so forth. But the fact remains that when Jesus said, "Love your neighbor as yourself", he was speaking to individuals. He did not say, "Go elect leaders who will do my work."

A new study suggests that young, white Christian voters have warmed toward big government while cooling toward social litmus tests.

In other words, these Christians have become of the world, which Jesus warned against.

We shouldn't be surprised. The bible tells us there will be a falling away before Jesus' return.

Young people are stupid.

Correction, Some young people are stupid. I know a lot of conservative young folks with strong religious convictions that I am very proud of.

Just found an awesome article about what they Bible has to say about governments, taxation, socialism, charity, education, etc:

http://www.answers.org/news/article.php?story=20070529160136256

The old line, now liberal Churches are dying and have congregations that look geriatric.

I've seen this as well.

The young people are flocking to the new big churches with programs and are 99% conservative.

I hope you are right. I haven't seen it.

Rick Warren really sped things up with his works driven approach. I better understand it - he wants people to have a “purpose” and hopefully by doing good deeds you’ll find Christ. It typically doesn’t work that way. It’s all about turning over your life to Him and having good works follow but not the other way around.

I agree with you that good works follow faith. However, I do know people who want to help their neighbor who have gotten involved in church aid activities. By being near the Word, they somehow have a spiritual changing event. Perhaps they were Christians before that, in which case they had a spiritual "growth spurt". Or perhaps being near other Christians caused some of Christ's love to rub off on them and they were successfully evangelized. (If the latter, I would argue that their "good works" prior to conversion were not Biblical "good works", but did in fact help Christ get his work complete.)

There has been coption a long time, to be sure, but the Left has decided to tackle the hold outs by subverting the institution from within intead of denigrating the religious altogether.

After the 2004 election, where the Democrat talking heads were bemoaning how religious conservatives (including black Democrats) continue to vote against their "own financial self-interest" on these religious issues.

Leftists Fight “Gundamentalism”

07/07/2008 6:08:24 AM PDT · by Victory111 · 58 replies · 2+ views

Cross Action News ^ | 7-7-08 | Mark D. Tooley

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Huckabee and his supporters are proof of the articles assertions.

This “Jesus was a liberal” crap has infiltrated many churches and simply stating that those people aren’t “real” Christians is equivalent to sticking your head in the sand.

You are being infiltrated. The sooner you acknowledge that fact, the sooner you can begin to actually do something about it.

There’s a reason Ratzinger was made Pope. The Catholics have recognized the threat from within. He’s there to kick ass and take names. All the other Christian sects would do well to follow suit.

I recently saw a bumper sticker that said
“Christian and Pro-Choice”

Does your cousin realize that 0bama came to power threw the most corrupt political machine in the country? Does your cousin realize that Chicago doesn’t even have democratic elections anymore, but rather the Dems pick the candidates and the “community organizers” deliver the votes via fraud? Does your cousin realize, for instance, that in a recent Cook County board election where a Republican was possibly going to get a seat for the first time since before ducks could fly, the Democrat machine withheld ballots and pencils to precincts that tended to be more GOP friendly? Does your cousin realize that 0bama’s friend Gov. Rod Blagojevich is a hair’s breadth from being indicted, or that it is an open secrt in Chicago that Richard Daley is a complete crook in bed with the mafia?

He doesn't care. He thinks it is the "liberals turn now".

It isn’t just abortion.

I know, but it is the clearest dividing line between believers and non believers. I do not believe you can support the destruction of innocent life and claim to be a Christian.

SOME christians?

is this like the reporters using “SOME SAY” to cover their PERSONAL opinions.

SOME is one person or two?
SOME is the usual homosexual activists who want to have a hedonism based faith?

SOME?

SOME kind of steaming pile of bovine fertilizer.

Yep, the liberals’ turn. Last time it was the liberals’ turn, we got the 1970s.

I do not know any charismatic, truly evangelical, or true protestants who support Obama.

The Christians I know who support left wing things and Obama himself are United Methodist, PCUSA, some Lutheran, non affiliated ex-Baptist churches here and more than a handful of Catholics sadly.

Southern Church of Christ, Southern Baptist (not the black National Baptist Convention also here in Nashville), PCA, Southern Methodist, 7thDA and every danged Pentocostal church I know of all support PalinMac.

I got some news for you, those aren’t Christian voters, or they know nothing about Obama.”
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They are “religious” voters, a Christian voter will never vote for abortion. It IS the litmus test.

“Some Christian voters lean toward Obama...”

I beg to differ. From my vantage point, I see many mainstream {Methodist, UCC, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Episcopal) Christian leaders will vote Obama, but the people in the pews are heavily favoring McCain/Palin.

They really favor Palin and will vote McCain only to keep Obama out of the WH.

Yep, the liberals’ turn. Last time it was the liberals’ turn, we got the 1970s.

What's so frightening is the policies bambi wants to pursue. Economically we now have the govt. buying businesses and discussions about the govt. buying banks (fascism). Bambi wants to raise corp. taxes, restrict trade and increase govt. regulation of business. He wants to do all this when we are entering a recession. He wants to limit free speech (the fairness doctrine) and to persecute any who disagree with him (MO. truth squads).

I'm praying every day that the LORD save us from this disaster.

I would love to sit here and slam this article as a piece worthy of Pravda but my first hand experience indicates there is some truth behind it.

I know a woman who is in every way a good Catholic, attending Mass weekly. Yet she supports obama because he will help more people than McCain. She says that even though obama wants to murder babies that survive abortions he will do more good by giving everyone free healthcare and that will offset the baby killing. It is social justice Catholicism.

My discussion with her left me physically ill.

That is the rare exception ... .

I refer to this:

Ex-hostage held by accused court gunman testifies
Monday, October 06, 2008

By GREG BLUESTEIN, Associated Press Writer

ATLANTA — The woman credited with helping bring about the surrender of accused courthouse gunman Brian Nichols recounted at his murder trial Monday how she appealed to his religious beliefs during hours in captivity before persuading him to set her free.

Authorities say Ashley Smith Robinson’s calm dealings with her captor helped bring an end to Nichols’ rampage after he burst into her suburban Atlanta apartment and held her for seven hours.

“I said whatever was necessary to get on his good side, I guess,” she testified Monday.

If convicted, Nichols, 36, could face the death penalty for a 2005 shooting spree that began in a downtown Atlanta courthouse that left a judge, a court reporter, a deputy and a federal agent dead. He has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to murder charges.

Testifying in the third week of trial, Smith Robinson told the jury she persuaded Nichols to let her leave the apartment after reading him passages from a religious book and giving him drugs from a hidden stash. She called authorities, who arrested Nichols hours later.

Smith Robinson was a waitress and single mother who was battling with drug addiction when Nichols took her hostage. Since Nichols’ arrest, Smith has emerged as a heroine and her story has been held up as an example of the redemptive power of faith.

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http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Oct06/0,4670,AtlantaCourthouseShooting,00.html

I dare say that sharing her “hidden drug stash” is hardly the sign of a true Christian. Yes, sharing is good but clearly her ILLEGAL drugs were more important. Do you really think her life was turned around? This is the kind of stuff I refer to as being deceptive. Good works won’t get you there. There was no heart change. Just going through the motions won’t accomplish being “saved”.

Rick Warren has it backwards.

When the president’s penstroke, the whole mess needs to be challenged to the Supreme Court.

Last week it was being said that Jesus was a Palestinian.

Do you really think her life was turned around? This is the kind of stuff I refer to as being deceptive. Good works won’t get you there. There was no heart change. Just going through the motions won’t accomplish being “saved”.

I have no idea what kind of spiritual impact this event had on her life. I will leave that for Christ to figure out. I agree that good works alone is insufficient to salvation, nor is it really necessary. Nonetheless, getting people involved in "good works" who are not Christians can help them become one. It is a good evangelism tool.

I was not aware that Rick Warren taught a theology of "good works for salvation".

Rick Warren is part of the “emerging church” movement.

Part of their beliefs include denial of these essentials of Christianity:
divinity of Christ
Jesus’ sin-free life
Jesus’ virgin (miracle) birth
and the biggie - accepting Jesus as your savior is the only way to the Father

Part of their beliefs include denial of these essentials of Christianity: divinity of Christ Jesus’ sin-free life Jesus’ virgin (miracle) birth and the biggie - accepting Jesus as your savior is the only way to the Father

I read the Purpose Driven Church and the Purpose Driven Life. I must admit that I did not read these books with the knowledge of what you have just stated. With that said, I had a few problems with his books, but overall viewed his message within the realm of Christianity.

What you have said is damning to Warren and his ministry. In fact, the implication is that Warren is blasphemous. What evidence do you have to back up your claim?

Read carefully, and I did this purposefully.

Rick Warren is associated with the “emerging church movement”.

The emerging church movement has these views.

Rick Warren, himself, may not hold these views, but he is associated with those who do.

Any statement from him should be viewed with a grain of salt, but not dismissed as outright blasphemous unless he outright proclaims the beliefs that the emerging church movement holds.

Plenty of stuff out there, most of the objections from those with a Biblical worldview are against the “relativism” and denial of absolutes:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4ADBR_enUS293&q=warren+emergent+church+movement