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New Deal Prolonged Depression by Seven Years
UCLA Newsroom ^ | 10/07/2008 | Meg Sullivan

Posted on 10/07/2008 4:49:01 AM PDT by sono

wo UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies."

In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsroom.ucla.edu ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: 1933; 193306; 19330616; fdr; greatdepression; moneylist; newdeal
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To: ikka

That’s funny. When my now 90 year old mother was moving out of Detroit to a suburb 25 years ago, she refused to look at any house on Roosevelt St. Obviously not a fan.


21 posted on 10/07/2008 5:42:22 AM PDT by stayathomemom ( nowanemptynester)
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To: all the best

amen!!!!!!!!!


22 posted on 10/07/2008 5:52:45 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: decimon
I think programs like CCC were dropped.

While no fan of FDR, I give him credit for that one. In the past I have met many who were in the CCC and not one of them had a bad word to say about it and in fact praised the time they were in it.

Walking the battlefield sites of Gettysburg and you will find little signs saying the CCC cleared/restored such-and-such piece of ground, etc. I understand they did similar work in the National Forests as well - something that would benefit the current crop of kids.

23 posted on 10/07/2008 5:54:23 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: ClearCase_guy

No, this is “new” thinking based on “new” research.

It’s imperative that we all help this pierce the public’s perception on how great the New Deal was.


24 posted on 10/07/2008 5:54:42 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Fly the flag!)
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To: all the best

Very well said.


25 posted on 10/07/2008 5:56:18 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Fly the flag!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

No sh**? Next they’ll say crazy stuff the sky is blue, Clay Aiken likes men and sugar tastes good.

Nice cutting edge breakthrough UCLA.

I forgot that morons blind themselves to facts and didn’t already know this.


26 posted on 10/07/2008 5:57:05 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: tcostell

But has theRat partybought into it? Are they going to bring this data-based view of history into power with them if they take the White House, House, Senate and courts in November?

Or is Obambi going to imediately get busy printing money to implement is own New New Deal.


27 posted on 10/07/2008 5:57:36 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Fly the flag!)
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To: Lord Jim

Yes, but this is the first time these conclusions have been promoted to the general public, and at a time when at least some have their ears perked up.


28 posted on 10/07/2008 5:58:46 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Fly the flag!)
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To: sono
Looks like someone bought the book and plagiarized it.

http://www.amazon.com/FDRs-Folly-Roosevelt-Prolonged-Depression/dp/140005477X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223384185&sr=8-1

FDR's FOLLY, published in 2004.

29 posted on 10/07/2008 5:59:56 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: ikka

Sickening. Remind her a large percentage of voters opposed him the last 2 times, especially the farm states, which he “got moving” toward the GOP because the knew he was prolonging the depression.


30 posted on 10/07/2008 6:03:38 AM PDT by Impy (Spellcheck hates Obama, you should too.)
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To: fightinJAG
If you believe that (I don't really think you do) then you don't understand anything about the psychology of liberalism. They will recognize that hamfisted regulation hurt America the last time but they will believe that since they are the ones who are doing it this time...

(altogether now)

...this time it will be different!

31 posted on 10/07/2008 6:04:53 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE - http://freenj.blogspot.com - RadioFree NJ)
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To: sono
The Smoot-Hawley tariffs that were an attempt to help US industries by blocking imports, also added to the Depression by causing a trade war that blocked many foreign markets for US products.

Roosevelt's policies are chillingly like those being posed by Obama during these bad economic times and will likely have similar results.

32 posted on 10/07/2008 6:50:37 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: sono

Another problem is that New Deal work programs kept wages artifically high while prices were dropping, meaning real businesses couldn’t pay competitive wages and still make a profit.


33 posted on 10/07/2008 7:24:36 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. Fight back or STFU!!!)
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To: sono
[B]lame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.

But, but, but those are the much celebrated First Hundred Days against which all subsequent adminstrations are judged.

34 posted on 10/07/2008 7:29:15 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: tcostell

That was exactly my point! I forgot the /s button, but seems to me everything is /s off these days, eh?

You’re spot on. It WON’T be different. But it will be WORSE than the last time the Rats handled a global financial mess.


35 posted on 10/07/2008 9:19:20 AM PDT by fightinJAG (Fly the flag!)
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To: sono

My father used to tell me that FDR saved this country.

If the truth could be told, FDR ruined this country by starting the march to socialism. His socialism prolonged the depression and we have millions and millions who vote for failure.


36 posted on 10/07/2008 10:40:42 AM PDT by BILL_C (Those who don't understand the lessons of history are bound to repeat them!)
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To: The Great RJ
"Roosevelt's policies are chillingly like those being posed by Obama during these bad economic times and will likely have similar results"

Even more chilling will be Obama's oratorical abilities to smear his herd of pigs with enough lipstick to get average Americans to believe that everything is getting better even as we spiral into the abyss.

37 posted on 10/07/2008 10:54:00 AM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (The cosmos is about the smallest hole a man can stick his head in. - Chesterton)
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To: sono

http://www.amazon.com/FDRs-Folly-Roosevelt-Prolonged-Depression/dp/140005477X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1223412370&sr=1-1

I received this book several years ago and still haven’t gotten to it (marriage seems to bring more things to do), but yes, it’s already been done.


38 posted on 10/07/2008 1:48:44 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: P8riot

Amazing how people now think only the ‘30s depression is the only economic trial ever faced by this country. For 1 thing it was world-wide, for another, there had been other big stinkers earlier. Last I believe c. 1890s - and who remembers it now? Apparently this then-non-fascist country got out of it.


39 posted on 10/07/2008 2:04:15 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: RayChuang88

How ‘bout going pre-1913 instead, and no income tax? Then watch how it grows.


40 posted on 10/07/2008 2:05:21 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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