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Dr. Humphreys is batting a thousand!
1 posted on 08/25/2008 7:26:41 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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ping!


2 posted on 08/25/2008 7:29:30 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

And forget the germ theory. It’s really evil spirits that cause disease.


3 posted on 08/25/2008 7:33:23 PM PDT by mc6809e
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I think people like Dr Humphreys need to realize this:
1. The Earth is not flat.
2. The universe is way older than 6000 years.
3. The Earth is not the center of the universe.

5 posted on 08/25/2008 7:43:24 PM PDT by KevinDavis (If Obama can't handle a town hall debate, then he can't handle the job of being President.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
Here's a lot more information on the Young Earth "science" of Dr. Humphreys:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/helium/zircons.html

10 posted on 08/25/2008 8:01:43 PM PDT by rosenfan
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To: GodGunsGuts

Two groups amuse me:

Vegetarians who are supposedly happy with their choices but are constantly eating meat flavored this and that

and

The devout who are supposedly secure in their beliefs but spend their time trying to prove scientists wrong


11 posted on 08/25/2008 8:04:50 PM PDT by Mediocrates (The Audacity of Hype)
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“As I mentioned on the CMI website earlier,3,4 I have been eagerly awaiting the results, because in 1984 I made scientific predictions—based on Scripture—about the magnetic fields of a number of planets, including that of Mercury.5 Spacecraft measurements6,7 have validated three of the predictions,”

Oh please. When a probe is sent out like this, scientists already have a prediction on what the results will be and usually they are right on or very close. Anybody can take the scientists predictions, pick and choose and twist scripture to create some rational to predict the same thing, then sit back and pretend they proved something.

If the universe is only 6000 years old, God went to a LOT of trouble to make it look otherwise. There are stars over 100 million light years away, and we can only seem them because they were there 100 million years ago when they first emitted the light that now reaches us.


12 posted on 08/25/2008 8:06:32 PM PDT by Grig
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thank you for this evidence supporting a young universe. While no human observer was present at the origin of the universe, God was. And he records it in His Word.

Evidence in the physical world around us points to special creation, the irrelevance of Evolutionism, and a young universe.

Those Ptolemaics defending the crushed evolutionary model not withstanding.

Keep up the great work!


13 posted on 08/25/2008 8:07:05 PM PDT by TFMcGuire (Either you are an American, or you are a liberal)
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL


18 posted on 08/25/2008 8:26:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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If the universe is only 6,000 years old, then how can it contain quasars that are 28 billion light years distant from Earth?


20 posted on 08/25/2008 8:27:44 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: GodGunsGuts
Thanks for the post.
Dr. Humphreys' work is often creative, original, and thought provoking. His book, Starlight and Time, was quite a profound way of reconciling a 'young' earth/universe model with stars that are billions of light-years away from earth.

And thanks for posting the links below (actually, somewhere above my response) -- I'll have to check them out later.

26 posted on 08/25/2008 8:34:27 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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Dr. Humphreys is batting a thousand!

YES! He really is batting a thousand! (if he his batting a non existent religious ball in a theoretical evangelical zero vacuum batting cage) Yea YEC! Faith without reason wins again!

Next, our esteemed colleague in science, Rosie O'Donnell explains how the World Trade Center was an inside job and was the result of a controlled demolition because steel can’t melt. (As far as she knows but then she did have a popular TV show).

Next up on the agenda:

Dinosaurs harmlessly frolicked with children in the Garden of Eden (We have no proof of course, but we do have some very cool animatronics that look pretty convincing. Haven’t you seen Jurassic Park? Don’t you believe that it’s real? Disney did an equally good job with “It’s A Small World After All. Have you never been to Chucky Cheese?)

The Egyptian Pyramids – designed by space aliens or angels? (Could there be any other reasonable answer? – Of course it was angels)

Man didn’t walk on the Moon, it was all staged on a Hollywood movie set (Because to believe otherwise would have to mean we accept a heliocentric solar system and a whole bunch of other scientific-y sort of stuff that we don’t really understand and don’t want to think about because it’s just too hard).
37 posted on 08/25/2008 8:55:14 PM PDT by Caramelgal (Just a lump of organized protoplasm - braying at the stars :),)
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To: GodGunsGuts
I made scientific predictions—based on Scripture...

Yessir

47 posted on 08/25/2008 9:18:13 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: GodGunsGuts

Ol’ Doc Humphreys hasn’t yet figured on relativity. His 6ky figure is fine, but given E=mc² and the density (m/v) of the expansion across its myriad phases, 15by is okay too.


49 posted on 08/25/2008 9:20:43 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: GodGunsGuts

what is this humphreys guy a doctor of? theology i suppose. the lack of critical thinking from both evolutionists and creationists horrify me. God has never been one to make things easy.. why should astrophysics be any different?


52 posted on 08/25/2008 9:30:33 PM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: GodGunsGuts
To whomever it may concern:

Being loudly stupid and Christian is not a good thing. As someone who studies both astronomy and geology AND is a Christian, I can tell you that nearly every thinking person in the world is laughing at you young Earth people.

Seriously, you are killing Christianity by holding it up as ridiculous. Please, please, please go find a clue somewhere. I have a Ph.D. in Physics and nearly a B.S. in geology. I can tell you guys with absolute certainty that this is verifiably incorrect 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

What gets passed off as “up in the air” is nothing of the sort. We know damn well how old the Earth is and there is ZERO supporting evidence for a young Earth. ZERO ZERO ZERO.

Please stop making Christians look like a bunch of ignorant ass-hats. It is so unhelpful to trying to save people in the name of Christ.

56 posted on 08/25/2008 9:47:06 PM PDT by Jeliota
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As the constant stream of phlogiston flowing from the Sun into the universal aether interacts with the crystal sphere supporting Mercury’s orbit, it creates a new magnetic field. When the field gets strong enough, it will cause the topmost giant turtle to sneeze, bucking Mercury off. Look out below!


61 posted on 08/25/2008 10:11:19 PM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: GodGunsGuts

Hey GGG, the planets are never mentioned in the Bible, let alone the unlknown conept of magnetic fields at the time of it’s writing.

Since you are bent on beng invovled in science, have you considered being a psychology experiment?


96 posted on 08/26/2008 5:47:58 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; jimmyray; Nathan Zachary; All
Well, this thread looks like the perfect place to unveil

The All-Around Crank Index!

First, stepping up to plate, we have the esteemed creation scientist Dr. GodGunsGuts! Let's hear it for Dr. Guts!

Dr. Humphreys made three specific scientific predictions with respect to the magnetic fields of three planets in our solar system, and all three of them were validated by satellite data. He based these predictions on the biblical notion that our solar system is roughly 6,000 years old. Do you suppose he just got lucky?

A meager +5 for citing a bogus (non-peer-reviewed) source,

Off-site rebuttals (post 16)

+5 for more unpublished nonsense

Actually, it's devout scientists falsifying Darwin's unscientific fairytale. But don't worry, the epigeneticists are busy falsifying Darwin too. It won't be long before Darwin's fairytale is taken out with the trash, and the evos are forced to come up with a new God-denying theory to take its place. It will probably come in the form of a neo-Lamarckian resurgence, led by the field of epigenetics. (post 17)

Whoa, a good one! +10 for suggesting the coordinated agenda of a 'God-denying theory', and +15 for predicting "it won't be long" before Darwin's theory is dead! (Where have I heard that before...)

Then we have a +5 for more out-of-context nonsense with the "soft dinosaur tissue" pics (post 19)

Gravitational time dilation. (post 22)

+5 more for this hilarious gem, as physicists spit out their coffee laughing. (+5 more for repeating it post 34)

That's 50 points for the esteemed Dr. Guts - but not to be outdone, the peanut gallery chimes in! Can their combined might dethrone GGG from supreme crankhood? Let's see:

Ignoring the 1 post hit-and-run shots, we have jimmyray, weighing in with this:

There a several indicator of a young earth, e.g deacaying moon orbit, decaying magnetic field of earth, increasing salinity of the oceans, etc. (post 33)

That's 3-oft-cited and misunderstood crank talking points in one sentence! But, he hasn't been corrected, and we all make mistakes, so +3 points for him.

but, in the same post, we get

How do you expect to prove that? If it were, and God stretched out the heavens as the scripture says, we would expect every star we observe to display a doppler shift away from us. Guess what we observe? Instead, 'scientist' imagine the ever expanding balloon theory...

That's a +10 for debunking the 'pop science' analogy of the "expanding balloon theory"! We're off on a roll!

Then, in post 39, jimmyray sets up a false dichotomy by suggesting you either believe in a literal reading of Genesis or you're an atheist! +5!

On a roll, jimmray gets to this one:

I will be happy to explain to you how it can be apparently so far away, and still be only 6000 years old, when you explain the wave-particle duality of light, how gravity works, and how you know the speed of light has been constant since the beginning, whenever you think it is.

+10 for suggesting that are partial ignorance implies total ignorance! Way to go, jimmy! Finally, we have

I was once a believer in the evo worldview, and it granted me license alright. But when I bcame a man, and actually investigated the so-called proofs (Horse fossil series, dark moths, "lucy", et al), and found they were frauds, I threw the baby out with it's bathwater. (post 72)

+15 for suggesting 'armchair science' is as good as real science! Yahoo! Also, an honorable mention for getting the intent of the "baby with the bathwater" saying totally backwards.

And, just when you thought it was safe to surf, in comes Nobel Laureate Nathan Zachary with his commentary!

Contrary to the LIE evolutionists continually regurgitate, -that the church is "against science"- the church embraces science, and always has. It is thought that since science is the pursuit of truth, that it will eventually lead to understanding God, as God is truth. (post 76)

+5 for suggesting science has an 'agenda' against the church. Nice!

We Know damn near NOTHING about this earth. We haven't even scratched the surface, so to speak. (that is, the crust of the earth) What we know about the earth amounts to the study of the very first outer skin-like layer of an onion. And there is PLENTY of young earth SCIENCE which easily explains (and carries more proofs) than the THEORIES used to argue old earth. We know so little of this earth, even plate tectonics, which everyone was so sure of in the 70"s, is getting its deserved share of BUNK ing. (post 84)

Here we have (again) the suggestion that partial knowledge=no knowledge (+10) and misuse of the context of "theory" (+5), and then an incorrect statement that plate tectonics is being doubted! (+5).

The rest of NZ's commentary is Biblical, so we gloss over that to get the current scores:

GodGunsGuts +50 jimmyray +43 Nathan Zachary +25

How will it unfold? Will jimmyray make up the close margin? Will NZ make a surprise leap to the lead? Or will another upstart get in the game?

Stay tuned to find out!

(P.S. I really enjoy your posts!)

100 posted on 08/26/2008 6:28:44 AM PDT by Crankologist (See my profile page for my "All-Around Crank Index" scoring system.)
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I don’t get why people make an issue of Creation. God is all powerful, for heaven’s sake. If He decided to create a tree in my backyard right this second, it would be indistinguishable from a tree that grew from a nut. He is not bound by time- He could materialize it out of thin air right now, or insert a seed in just the right spot fifty years ago. The same goes for the universe. A created universe is indistiguishable from a so-called “evolved” universe. Anything else would be impinging on our free will to believe or disbelieve in God as we choose.

Quibbling over this sort of thing when omnipotence is involved is a seriously unwinnable proposition.


116 posted on 08/26/2008 7:35:25 AM PDT by Eepsy (12-30-2008 +1)
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Once again, a NASA space probe is supporting the 6,000-year biblical age of the solar system.

Somehow the previous examples have eluded me...

152 posted on 08/26/2008 3:13:57 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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