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Subjecting Teen to Mental Health Test Without Parental Consent
Rutherford Institute ^ | 8/06/2008 | Rutherford Institute

Posted on 08/11/2008 3:55:09 PM PDT by cornelis

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To: cornelis

Also everyone who takes the free Personality Test and evaluation turns out to need $cientology training


21 posted on 08/11/2008 5:05:10 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (So there you have it : Eliza Dushku has made my naughty list for the year)
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To: cornelis

I’ve diagnosed the NEA with “Pathological Nazi” disorder.

It involves removing all parental control and authority, while forcing students conform to socialist norms or risk being sent to asylums.


22 posted on 08/11/2008 5:24:59 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm investing in "Pitchfork Futures"!!)
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To: BOATSNM8

Sounds like Soviet psychiatry to me.


23 posted on 08/11/2008 5:40:39 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: SoftballMominVA

I was taught t hat tests like this cannot diagnose. They can suggest diagnoses. What they do is compare patterns of responses to responses made by people with “known” diagnoses. But the leap from, “A lot of your answers were similar to those made by a person who died from complications of anorexia nervosa,” to “You are probably going to get anorexia nervosa and die from it,” would require a BUNCH more data than is available, and even then would be dubious.


24 posted on 08/11/2008 6:20:22 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: faloi
The worst part about these tests, in my opinion, is that they’re guaranteed to find a problem with every child. Don’t like to party, you have a social anxiety issue. Like to party, you have tendancies toward addiction and narcissism. Like to clean, you have ocd. Don’t like to clean, it must be because you’re depressed.

Took a College Phsyc course in High School. As part of Curriculum there was a section on Abnormal behavior. The instructor very carefully and clearly saying that we needed to know the material but that she did not want any of use diagnosing ourselves or any other members of the student body or faculty.

we all had a laugh about it until about a week later when the teacher asked how many of us were disorder hopping and all but three in the class raised our hands.

Gotta leave that stuff to the pro's and I don't mean a computer

25 posted on 08/11/2008 6:57:22 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: faloi
The worst part about these tests, in my opinion, is that they’re guaranteed to find a problem with every child...

Brenda Scott wrote a book several years ago named, "Out of Control: Who's Watching Our Child Protection Agencies? ". Link is here.

In it, I remember a story she recounted about a young boy from, I think, Arizona. He was kidnapped from his home by protection services based upon a lie from a former and disgruntled employee of his parents. Against his parents' wishes, he was was subjected to pornographic images by the agency. The agency was later investigated and found out that their method of operation resulted in two different diagnosis possibilities ...

1) The boy responded to the pornographic stimulation - proving the parents were sexually abusing him.

2) The boy did not respond to the pornographic stimulation - indicating he had been subjected to so much sexual abuse that he had become desensitized. Again, proving the parents were sexually abusing him.
26 posted on 08/11/2008 7:02:38 PM PDT by tang-soo (Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Good point. Between these liberal psychological illness diagnoses and traps like facebook and its ilk, the kids of today will be running from their past all their lives. I keep warning my kids and others to be very careful what they write on the computer but it seems to not take effect.


27 posted on 08/11/2008 7:10:42 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Mad Dawg

Tests like this are worse than useless. They are given in an uncontrolled setting with no verification of accuracy or validity. I doubt they can even suggest an illness.


28 posted on 08/11/2008 7:12:53 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA (I'm trying to think of a new screen name - any suggestions?)
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To: Mad Dawg; SoftballMominVA; darkangel82

I had to go through a psych exam with a psychiatrist for a professional position I was offered at a large high-tech company a few years ago. The doctor was wacked — looked and acted like the “Doc” from Back to the Future movies.

I filled out many pages of questionnaires that asked the same things multiple times on different sections, trying to trip you up to show inconsistencies. I had none, and his report came back that I had a “borderline personality” with OCD tendencies because of the consistencies in my answers that appeared questionable (like I had cheated on the test?). It also came back that I was in complete denial about a serious substance abuse problem I was covering up, since on every question about “have you ever had an alcohol problem?” or “have you ever experiemented with drugs even one time”, I said NO every single time.

Hilarious. I still got the job, though. I’m sure that process cost the company several hundreds of dollars, which was a total waste of their $$$.


29 posted on 08/11/2008 7:17:26 PM PDT by adopt4Christ (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: CaptainK

Good for you!!

My hubby has an older brother that was seeing someone therapist as a kid. He was interested in volcano’s at the time, so he drew pictures of them. The therapist thought that he was angry and needed treatment, and my in-laws told him to pound sand as well.

He’s fine and doing well, of course. Great uncle to our daughter.

Silly therapists, just out to make money off of people, I fear.


30 posted on 08/11/2008 8:26:21 PM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: adopt4Christ

There are many psychs who go into the field because they want to find out what’s wrong with them. They project their own illness onto others.


31 posted on 08/12/2008 4:50:16 AM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: caseinpoint

You hit the nail on the head. I don’t know if this test is good bad or otherwise, but the 2 issues that I have here are the passive consent (who knows if a parent even saw the consent form) and discussing anything like this with the child without a parent there. Stupid stupid stupid.

susie


32 posted on 08/12/2008 5:42:52 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: caseinpoint

The only good news is that so many of them will have posted so much stupid stuff that it will seem normal and won’t be quite the big deal we imagine. I hope.
susie


33 posted on 08/12/2008 5:47:35 AM PDT by brytlea (Obama--Jimmy Carter's Second Term)
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To: muawiyah; caseinpoint

“social anxiety disorder” ~ Hmmmm?


Indeed. There's method in their madness:

New Book: How Shyness Became a Mental Illness

"... The number of mental disorders that children and adults in the general population might exhibit leaped from 180 in 1968 to more than 350 in 1994,” notes Lane, Northwestern's Herman and Beulah Pearce Miller Research Professor. In a book that calls in doubt the facade of objective research behind psychiatry's revolution, Lane questions the rationale for the changes, and whether all of them were necessary and suitably precise...

In examining the American Psychiatric Association archives, Lane -- who argues that psychiatry is using drugs with poor track records to treat growing numbers of normal human emotions -- even came across a proposal to establish “chronic complaint disorder,” in which people moan about the weather, taxes or the previous night's racetrack results.

“It might be funny,” he says, save for the fact that the DSM's next edition, due to be completed in 2012, is likely to establish new categories for apathy, compulsive buying, Internet addiction, binge-eating and compulsive sexual behavior. Don't look for road rage, however. It's already in the DSM, under intermittent explosive disorder."



34 posted on 08/12/2008 6:33:16 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: caseinpoint

Pefectly stated.


35 posted on 08/12/2008 8:49:21 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: EdReform

Indeed. I read a book about the increase in mental illness diagnoses and (I’m still a little groggy from a late night) but I think it was called, “One Nation Under Prozac” or something along those lines. The proliferation of psychiatric intervention in our lives is incredible. From Woody Allen’s movies portrayals of nearly everyone in New York City going to psychoanalysts, to Ritalin requirements for scads of little boys, to Prozac prescriptions going through the roof, it is sad. (Course here I risk being diagnosed with depression, Seasonal Affective Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, whatever, to even mention emotions. (Actually I gave up emotions a long time ago. Spock is my hero. ;o) So I suspect there is another reason for me to avoid psychiatrists.)

It is true that a lot of this is follow the money: Mental health professionals ensure their jobs. Drug companies ensure profits from the drug de jour. Schools ensure peaceful classrooms. Doctors have pills to send home with their troublesome patients. Patients have magic pills to make them feel better. It is a money trail.

I don’t want to disparage the real mental illnesses which are helped by the above interested parties. Psychotropic medication has worked miracles in some cases, to the point where I wish it were still possible to coerce people into taking their anti-psychotic drugs. It’s just that anytime you create a classification of people, and give that group accommodations or privileges, it is going to be abused. All we have to do is look at what has happened to civil rights law, and to rights for handicapped individuals. Abuse leads to disrespect for the group and hurts everyone, especially those who needed the help in the first place.

I grew up in the intermountain west. If we were angst-ridden even for a moment as children or teens, there were two general prescriptions: get to work helping someone or repent. One or the other pretty much worked. I imagine that today those prescriptions would be considered some form of psychiatric abuse and the subject of yet another mental illness like weedpulling compulsive disorder or church coercion syndrome. But there is something to be said about letting go of navel-gazing and looking around to help others.


36 posted on 08/12/2008 9:27:17 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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