2-party system: No choice but evil [Alan Keyes essay; Dobson's Choice]

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 8-11-2008 | Alan Keyes

[EternalVigilance]

Preface

I remember reading somewhere that societies in decline reach a point where they are so corrupt that attempted remedies only reveal and further aggravate the causes of their demise. Sometimes I'm tempted to believe that the American Republic has passed well beyond this point, that our liberty is gone and cannot be recovered. The essay that follows is evidence that I have not yet succumbed to this temptation.

I have no doubt, however, that we are in the midst of the feverish crisis that marks either the recovery of the Republic, or its dissolution. The great principles of right and justice that gave rise to our constitutional system of democratic self-government are everywhere discarded or under assault. Indeed, things are so far advanced that the issues most involved with the destruction of these principles (such as so called "marriage" for homosexuals) are being debated and decided with no reference at all to their implications for the moral premises of liberty.

We live in revolutionary times, by which I mean times when a form of government will either be restored or overthrown...

*snip*

[EternalVigilance]

This long essay is only intended for those to whom liberty and self-government are worth a bit of time for thought.

Dr. Keyes masterfully disects Obama and McCain, and describes Dr. James Dobson's and other leaders' seeming slide into moral relativism.

[EternalVigilance]

Every Christian in America needs to carefully read and ponder every word of this essay.

[CounterCounterCulture]

BUMP for later reading

[valkyry1]

Alan Keyes Bump for reading tomorrow.

[Ingtar]

My last vote for the lesser evil joined the gang of ten and screwed any chance at real progress on energy in the Senate. (Bob Corker)

[Theo]

"... moral relativism ..."

What do you mean by that term? Specifically in regards to Dr. Dobson?

[Maelstorm]

Dr. Keyes is wrong. He is making a critical mistake using moral relativism in his analysis of McCain. I do not know what his goal is. Maybe he believes that helping to elect Obama will strengthen the conservative cause in the long run. I’ve reach the opposite conclusion. We are on the brink of having the opportunity to turn the Supreme Court from one that ushered in the horrid Roe v Wade ruling to one that will vote on the side of life as McCain has. Conservatives like Keyes do not lose because they are wrong or even because they do not compromise their convictions instead they lose because they express them in such a way that the common people who would support them can not understand them. Also their is a tendency to develop a bunker mentality. So that conservatives back themselves into an ever shrinking corner. I am Pro-Life and I don’t consider someone who sees stem cell research differently than I as the same as someone who actively supports abortion on demand and would promote it. McCain values life and I’ll defend him on this issue. He also has voted repeatedly against special rights for homosexuals and other sexual rights classifications and he is on the record even went on Ellen’s (a homosexual) show and declared yet again his support for Marriage as defined only as between a man and a woman.

Keyes should be ashamed of himself for attempting to divide us to satisfy only his intellectual ego. His biggest problem has been that when he is talking he seems to be talking only to himself and God. He has fallen on his sword some many times that he forgets that his sword is not for himself or his allies but for those he wishes to defeat. McCain is not an idealog but he is also a man who makes decisions and stands by them but he also has the strength to change his mind. He did that on immigration, he did that on the tax cuts(though he has a impeccable record as a tax cuter) and he did that on drilling.

If you wish to follow the pied piper who leads you to a place called defeat that places those very individuals who you claim to wish to protect then you do so to your own demise. I will not leave the troops, the unborn, our traditional values, our children’s education, and the well being of our country in the hands of Barack Obama. John McCain will all his faults will not betray America that is something I can not say for those across the aisle because they do it so often.

I am not ashamed of McCain and he is not the best of two evils. He is the better man and Jesus isn’t running(no offense to Barack Obama/Alan Keyes).

Sanatorium supports McCain:
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080421_The_Elephant_in_the_Room__Why_conservatives_should_support_McCain.html

As for those who do not know Sanatorum was a supporter of Romney before that who was hardly a solid Pro-Life candidate.

[roamer_1]

"... moral relativism ..." What do you mean by that term? Specifically in regards to Dr. Dobson?

Read the Essay. Dr. Keyes is quite specific, eloquently self explanatory, as always, and needless to say, right as rain.

[taxesareforever]

I agree with Dr.Keyes but I do not believe very many conservatives will take his advice.

[EternalVigilance]

Because he said that his conscience wouldn’t allow him to support McCain, and now, even though nothing has changed, he’s ready to throw conscience overboard for political expediency.

If that isn’t moral relativism, I don’t know what is.

[EternalVigilance]

Santorum eh?

Funny, but just a few months ago Rick was telling us how dangerous McCain is.

Former Senator and leading conservative Rick Santorum says a John McCain presidency would be “very, very dangerous for Republicans.”

“It’s amazing to hear what John McCain is trying to convince the voters he is all about. The bottom line is, I served 12 years with him, six years in the Senate as one of the leaders of the Senate, trying to put together the conservative agenda, and almost at every turn, on domestic policy, John McCain was not only against us, but leading the charge on the other side.”

Unfortunately, the former Senator from Pennsylvania now has both feet totally on the McCain slippery slope of moral relativism himself...

[EternalVigilance]

If you think John McCain, who hates conservatives and conservatism with a purple passion, is going to improve this court you’re self-deceived.

Both McCain and Obama will destroy the republic, given the chance.

Men and women of conscience won’t be bullied, shamed, fear-mongered, or deceived into supporting that.

[Maelstorm]

Go ahead and continue to be deranged in your hatred for McCain. He is not the enemy. Joe Farrah and kooks who sell bogus devices you put on cars that actually make them get worse gas mileage (I think it is telling) might want to put aside their money making schemes for milking the angst of conservatives while managing to sabotage them at the same time for this election season. I will not abandon our troops and our conservative goals because we didn’t like Campaign Finance reform or disagreed over a handful of things. I can live with the 10% of where I disagree with John McCain.

I lived with more reservations about George W Bush. At least now in McCain we have someone who will stand up for America and fight back. Global warming will go no where if we do our job an help win the Senate back. We do not have to wait for conservative candidates to be elected magically as if by the grace of God. We have many out there running and they are at an extreme disadvantage to their extreme liberal counterparts but sour grapes conservatives would rather whine and moan about a third party than spend $5.00 helping to elect conservatives who love this country and understand the founding principles. Well we’ve tried that crap and it got us the Clinton Administration. Never again.
Never Barack Hussein Obama.

[Swordmaker]

I am not ashamed of McCain and he is not the best of two evils. He is the better man and Jesus isn’t running(no offense to Barack Obama/Alan Keyes).

I agree. To follow Dr. Keyes advice, one would never vote for any candidate because all fall short of the perfection of Jesus Christ. Every election is the choice between the lesser of two evils. This race is just more obvious than others.

I will hold my nose and vote for John McCain.

[roamer_1]

Dr. Keyes is wrong. He is making a critical mistake using moral relativism in his analysis of McCain. I do not know what his goal is. Maybe he believes that helping to elect Obama will strengthen the conservative cause in the long run. I’ve reach the opposite conclusion.

No, Keyes is right. Principle is only principle if it is unwavering and set in stone. Dr. Keyes' goal is the same as every other Conservative- the preservation of the principles that are the power that preserves us all. We hold these truths to be self-evident.

I’ve reach the opposite conclusion.

Then your position is untenable.

We are on the brink of having the opportunity to turn the Supreme Court from one that ushered in the horrid Roe v Wade ruling to one that will vote on the side of life as McCain has.

McCain has always been on both sides of the Life issue, and is no friend to the Pro-Life movement, or the Pro-Life movement in it's association within the Republican party. He certainly will not usher in a pro-Life court when faced with a Democrat controlled Senate. It is a point he will be happy to compromise on.

McCain values life and I’ll defend him on this issue.

No, he does not.

Keyes should be ashamed of himself for attempting to divide us to satisfy only his intellectual ego.

Keyes has done nothing of the sort. Nor have the Conservatives. They stand on the same ground that they always have. The division is coming from those who wish to make the Conservative Right compromise that which they never have (and never will). Blame the RINOs and the Baker moderates for the division you see.

McCain is not an idealog but he is also a man who makes decisions and stands by them but he also has the strength to change his mind. He did that on immigration, he did that on the tax cuts(though he has a impeccable record as a tax cuter) and he did that on drilling.

He has not changed his mind one bit. He is a traitorous bastard bent on globalism who will feed you the promises you wish to hear. He has already said that if immigration hits his desk he will sign it. His tax cuts are a pipe dream if the amnesty gets signed (which it will), and he is up to his eyeballs with the globull warming idiots, so that pretty well nixes any oil wells too.

He has no honor, so his word is useless.

John McCain will all his faults will not betray America that is something I can not say for those across the aisle because they do it so often.

McCain is across the aisle more than he is with us. He has already betrayed the Conservatives, the Republicans, and those close to him. What makes you think he would not betray America? His support for keeping the border open and salting our electorate with 30-50m newly minted socialist democrats is betrayal enough to show his intent.

[Marie2]

We all have our personal litmus tests for our candidates.

Some won’t vote for a man unless he’s 100% right on every issue they hold. That is one extreme.

Some will vote for anyone with an R by their name, regardless. That’s another extreme.

Myself, I look at which electable candidate would do a better job leading this nation. There is no contest whatsoever. McCain is the obvious choice. I am a patriot. I will do what’s best for my country, without “holding my nose.”

McCain is about 90% where I am politically. That is far and away enough for me.

[Impy]

Hope not. Keyes advice=President B. Huissen Obama. Thousands of soldiers law bound to follow his orders.

[roamer_1]

McCain is about 90% where I am politically. That is far and away enough for me.

For me, the very first litmus test is character, of which McCain is without completely and utterly, so I need go no further. He is not worthy of the office.

Outside of that, if I were to go forward (which I will not), he is no where near me politically, especially in his collusion with the likes of Feingold, Kennedy, and Clinton. One cannot be conservative in the least and find agreement or compromise therein.

I can really find no redeeming feature in him, with the solitary exception of his somewhat reasonable experience in military matters and foreign policy. But his inherently poor character traits, his obsession with globalism, and his compromise with the worst of the Marxists in our government far outweigh that solitary advantage.

Putting one's faith in the faithless, expecting a betrayer not to betray yet again, is a fool's errand.

[EternalVigilance]

If you find this worthy of a ping out to your list, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

[EternalVigilance]

Go ahead and continue to be deranged in your hatred for McCain. He is not the enemy.

Maybe he isn't yours, but he is mine. By his own choice.

After all, I'm a conservative.

[wastoute]

Bump

[wastoute]

Well then let the LEFT provide those soldiers. LOL. ROTHFLMAO. Right. When the “breakaway province of Georgia” defies “The One” we can get down to the business of re-creating who we are. Maybe it is time. It seems to me the whole point he begins with is that the “American Experiment is over”. Let’s get on with it and not drag this out.

Git’er done.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Now that the two parties have finally selected their presidential candidates, it is time for a sober-- if not grim-- assessment of where we are.

Not since 1972 have we been presented with two such painfully inadequate candidates. When election day came that year, I could not bring myself to vote for either George McGovern or Richard Nixon. I stayed home.

This year, none of us has that luxury. While all sorts of gushing is going on in the media, and posturing is going on in politics, the biggest national sponsor of terrorism in the world-- Iran-- is moving step by step toward building a nuclear bomb.

The point when they get that bomb will be the point of no return. Iran's nuclear bomb will be the terrorists' nuclear bomb-- and they can make 9/11 look like child's play.

. . . we do not have the luxury of waiting for our ideal candidate or of indulging our emotions by voting for some third party candidate to show our displeasure-- at the cost of putting someone in the White House who is not up to the job.

Senator John McCain has been criticized in this column many times. But, when all is said and done . . . The choice between him and Barack Obama should be a no-brainer.

Obama And McCain (Thomas Sowell)
GOPUSA ^ | June 5, 2008 | Thomas Sowell

[roamer_1]

The choice between him and Barack Obama should be a no-brainer.

Yes, it is a no-brainer. It is two sides of the very same coin.

[AmericaUnited]

Whats nuts is that if we followed Keyes advice, strict conservatives would lose something like 98% of all races across this country. The left would run wild, unchecked with veto proof majorities, passing laws, stuffing benches, etc. that would destroy this country and be almost impossible to undo. Wall Street has a saying that applies here:

“Bulls make money, Bears make money. Pigs (i.e. greedy types who insist on all their way or nothing) get slaughtered.”

[Man50D]

John McCain will all his faults will not betray America that is something I can not say for those across the aisle because they do it so often.

Who are you trying to kid? McCain has crossed the aisle so many times he has worn a path to the socialist Democrats! Here's a little refresher course on McCain's socialist tendnecies thanks to DoughtyOne.

John McCain's Whimsical World of Conservatism
Food for thought for the Hillary Clinton Wing of the GOP

1982/00/00 McCain enters Congress, with his family accepts first of nine trips some aboard Keating's leer jet, three of which include stayovers at Keating's Caribbean resort (goes unreported for up to 7 years)
1983/09/28 McCain joins 26 other Republicans to vote with the Majority Party Congressional Democrats to demand U.S. Troops exit Lebanon, winds up on the losing
1983/09/28 Cindy McCain and her father invest $359,100 in a Charles Keating strip mall
1987/00/00 McCain has received $112,000 by this time for Congressional and Senate campaigns, from Charles Keating, his relatives, and his employees, the largest amount to any Keating 5 member
1987/04/02 McCain joins four Democrats to intercede on behalf of his S&L Owner friend Keating with Ed Gray, chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board and also banking regulators (2 meetings)
1988/02/11 McCain votes to affirm Anthony Kennedy as a justice for the SCOTUS

1989/00/00 McCain discloses Keating trips as his involvement in the S&L scandal breaks, reimbursing $13,433.00 with no repercussions as late as seven years after the fact
1993/10/10 McCain co-sponsors an unsuccessful bill to cut off funding of United States troops in Somalia
1993/08/10 McCain joins the Democrats and most Republicans voting to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsberg, the worst justice on the court today. Three Republicans vote Nay.
1993/01/13 McCain and Kerry release the Select Committee report urging the MIA issue be put to rest so that Vietnam could be granted normalized relations with the U.S., over objections by MIA family and veterans groups. Video1 Video2 ( I do not endorse all of the information presented in video1 here. The video does touch on a number of topics, and I think most are germane ) If I could have found video that contained most of this information without touching on McCain's POW experience I would have posted it instead. Still, there are parts of McCain's POW experience that are troubling. I'd just rather not go there. Video2 shows how one MIA family rep is treated, confirming some of the reports in Video1.
1994/07/24 McCain joins with the Democrats to confirm nominee Stephen Breyer to be an Associate Justice on the SCOTUS. Nine Senators voted Nay...
1997/00/00 McCain leads the opposition to the Coats Amendment, preventing government funded fetal tissue research ( derived from "a legal act" [abortion] ) Amendment defeated!
1999/08/19 McCain stated, ""Certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade,"
John McCain: George Soros' Useful Idiot? McCain joins Democrat Russ Feingold to introduce Campaign Finance Reform, an effort funded by George Soros Article
2000/00/00 McCain was the keynote speaker at the ultra-liberal Philadelphia convention sponsored by George Soros while John F. Kerry keynoted at another Soros event on the same day...
2000/11/20 McCain participates in the production of a gun control spot for Oregon's Proposition Five. (Circa this date, prior to the November election.) Article
2001/00/00 McCain founded the Reform Institute funded by George Soros
2001/05/15 McCain introduces the Gun Show Loophole bill S890, with Carper, Lieberman, DeWine, Clinton, and Schumer co/sponsoring Analysis
2003/03/19 McCain joins Democrats to vote against drilling in ANWR
2003/10/30 McCain joins Lieberman again, this time to introduce the Climate Stewardship Act (Gorebal worming et al) Thomas Bill S139
2004/06/04 McCain signs letter with 58 Senators, "We write to urge you to expand the current federal policy concerning embryonic stem cell research."
2004/08/05 McCain announces he deplores the Swift Boat adds against Senator John Kerry, and asks the White House to refute them
2005/00/00 McCain resigns from the Reform Institute he founded with Communist billionaire George Soros
2005/01/28 McCain declares, "I want us in the ICC (International Criminal Court)", but I would like to see more safeguards first
2005/05/12 McCain joins Ted Kennedy to introduce McCain/Kennedy immigration legislation that would wind up making illegal immigrants citizens
2006/04/28 McCain states, "I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected that has become corrupt."
2006/09/06 McCain joins Dole to write op-ed for the Washington Post, states in part, "We should publicly remind Khartoum that the International Criminal Court has jurisdiction to prosecute war crimes..."
2007/02/17 McCain states he will close Guantanamo Bay terrorist detainment center on his first day in office video (same as date link on the left)
2007/03/22 McCain gets the pledged support of Chuck and Sue Cobb, Jeb Bush's Florida Director of the Free Trade of the Americas Agreement effort
2007/06/00 McCain joins Baldwin, Shays and Meehan to file an amicus brief against the Wisconsin Right to Life organization brief The wrong side of a pro-life issue, helping pro-abort Feingold
2007/06/18 McCains Gitmo problem, close the base, grant Geneva Convention status, stop water boarding...
2007/10/25 McCain still wants us to sign the L.O.S.T. treaty in time, but does have concerns over sovereignty issues.
2008/03/00 McCain makes his first attempt to tell a state (North Carolina) Republican Party what to do. The RNC joins him.
2008/03/24 McCain hires Meg Whiteman to cochair his Presidential campaign. Whiteman is another wishy washy at best Independent, who has donated to leftist candidates and still doesn't have a clue what side to come down on with regard to illegal immigration. She is leaning toward running for Governor in California and being courted by it's Republican leadership. Links to CalCowGirl's comments regarding Whiteman's donations. Article above.
2008/03/26 McCains speech to the World Affairs Council, Europe may get veto power over some of our foreign policy...
2008/04/08 McCain casts last Senate vote during his Presidential Campaign. By the EOBD 06/24/08, he has missed 367 votes or 61.4% of the Senate votes in the 110th Congress. His last vote before the one he cast on April 8 was cast on 03/14/08. Link
2008/05/09 McCains interview with O'Reilly... I won't drill in ANWR... it's pretty... I'm an environmentalist.
2008/05/12 McCain Joins the Goreball Worming Cult, sounding more like Al Gore every day... McCain's Oregon add Video
2008/05/13 2008/05/13 McCain takes an Environmental walk, with the leader of the Cascade Land Conservancy
2008/05/15 2008/05/15 McCain states he will appoint Democrats to his administration, during a Republican teleconference and during a Columbus stump speech
2008/05/27 McCain announces support for severe cutbacks on our nuclear weapons, withdrawing battlefield nukes from Europe and giving our nuclear waste to an international body
2008/06/04 McCain states, "I disagreed strongly with the Bush administration's mismanagement of the war in Iraq."
2008/06/14 McCain tells Clinton supporters they should back him because he voted for Ginsberg and Breyer Said this to Conservatives on 2008/05/07
2008/06/21 It is announced McCain and Obama will address open borders group in Los Angeles on July 18th, 2008, Communists and worst of U.S. Illegal Alien apologist groups...
2008/06/21 McCain and team realize he has so little credibility on judicial appointments, that they announce he will let Fred Thompson vet his judges. That's 06/21/08's version of truth...
2008/06/28 McCain declares, "I will make comprehensive immigration reform my “top priority,” during my first 100 days in office. He assures Latino leaders that they will have an ally in the White House.

[pawdoggie]

Since Alan Keyes has always been “all anti-abortion, all the time”, to the exclusion of other issues that might have brought him (and Republicans and conservatives) to greater political success, he should be firmly in McCain’s corner. The fact that he is not tells me that he is really “all Alan Keyes in the limelight, all the time”. It’s time for him to join Brother Jesse on the ash-heap of history.

[Guenevere]

I've printed this so I can take my time and digest every word...

..it's well written, as usual, and of all the insightful words he wrote, I picked this one paragraph to emphasize my position on McCain...

"Others can hardly be blamed for not supoorting McCain when he offers them nothing to support. If people are obliged to support one person who doesn't represent them in order to stop another who also doesn't represent them, they end up with a government that doesn't represent them."

As for Dr.James Dobson, PLEASE PRAY FOR HIM!...

Through ALL the years I have known of him, read his books, listened to his lectures and daily broadcasts....(over 20 years) I have expected him to consistently choose right over wrong, good over evil, and express courage & encouragement for all of us trying to live according to God's precepts....I have not been disappointed in his choices.

Please pray for him...and encourage him to not give up the fight now...

..to stand...STAND!

[Lakeshark]

I think Dobson is as close to a modern day hero as there is. He has done more than most to preserve values in America than anyone I know, and for that I am grateful.

I thought he was wrong when he cut out on McCain so early, simply because he was throwing away any bargaining power to press McCain to hold on judges and a few other things he has fought for so long.

I gather Dobson himself realized that not only do you give certainty for a couple of more Ginsburgs on the court with Obama, but by not supporting someone who has voted fairly close on pro life issues, you take away your strength to sway him in your direction when the time comes. To allow Obama to win would take the heart out of what Dobson has worked for all his life.

Keyes is wrong here. Listening to him will surely deposit us in the secular toilet. Obama is a certainty, at least we have a chance with McCain.

This from someone who does not particularly like McCain.

[rabscuttle385]

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[AmericaUnited]

"Others can hardly be blamed for not supoorting McCain when he offers them nothing to support.

McCain has always been STAUNCHLY PRO-LIFE. So Keyes is a flat liar in saying there is nothing to support.

[EternalVigilance]

“all anti-abortion, all the time”

Pretty much tells me everything I need to know about you.

Your phrase is a good description, by the way, though you didn't intend it, of the reality of what continues to happen day after day after day in America. All abortion, all the time. Thanks to the Leftist unprincipled politicians in both parties and those who enable them.

[Guenevere]

I don't think Keyes is wrong...and I hope/pray Dobson will not waver.

Years and years of compromise is WHY we're in such an untenable position now....

.. and it has to stop.

Ultimately GOD will judge us....and He may see fit to have an Obama rule over us for the mess we put ourselves in.

I hope not....I pray not.

I continue to ask for mercy!!!

[AmericaUnited]

Obama is a certainty, at least we have a chance with McCain.

This really brings out and shows those who have severe dysfunctional mental thinking. "I'll blow my brains out now (Obama) because the operation could fail (McCain) and I might die."

[DallasBiff]

This long essay is only intended for those to whom liberty and self-government are worth a bit of time for thought

Considering that this essay is written by a proven electoral loser(it's a fact), the definition of insanity comes to mind of doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results.

[Lakeshark]

That's a terrible analogy.

Sorry, you missed it big time.

Obama is a certain disaster. We lose the war against Islamofascism with him, we get our health care system destroyed, our economy destroyed, and nothing but Ginsburgs on the bench to help them undermine our rights.

As much as I don't like McCain, he won't do that.

[Lakeshark]

If Obama is elected, it's mostly because enough of us didn't oppose him. I'm not sure it's wise to sit on our hands and then say that it's God that sees fit to have Obama rule over us.

Please don't understand, I'm not trying to be snide, because I understand your anguish.

[Guenevere]

Noooo....it's because the Republican Party cared so little for the conservative base, they thumbed their noses & annointed McCain as the candidate.

I'm not sitting on my hands....I'm voting for Keyes.

[Lakeshark]

Actually, it was because WE did not have a conservative candidate WE all rallied around.

McCain didn't win because of some annointing, he won because he was more popular than the other 4 or 5 candidates.

Voting for Keyes seems pointless, the man is a great orator (doesn't need a teleprompter), and likely has lots of fine positions. Unfortunately he has never had any experience, no elected office, and simply cannot win. This kind of thinking is what gave us Bill Clinton, and if enough people do it will give us Obama.

[Guenevere]

Lakeshark, you're not going to convince me Keyes is unworthy or McCain wasn't 'annointed/chosen'...

McCain's name was mud May/June a year ago during the amnesty mess...

..he rose from the ashes (so to speak) and he had help & direction from the 'powers that be'....

We couldn't decide on a candidate?....it may have to do with good candidates like Hunter & others being ignored, invisible during debates so McCain could be highlighted and given the lion's share of attention and questions.

I've heard all your 'guilt questions' before...from other posters..

I'm weary of responding...

..I'm standing where I am.....I drew my line in the sand years ago.

[AppyPappy]

A compromise with evil is a necessary evil.

If McCain were the Democrat nominee, would you support him?

[EternalVigilance]

Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are "proven electoral winners."

Doesn't mean I would support them.

Past electoral success won't make me support John Judas McCain either. That's not how I judge fitness for office.

And it won't stop me from believing that it is folks like you who have adopted an insane position: one that claims that supporting liberals is the way to support or defend conservatism. Talk about "doing the same thing over and over and expecting" different results.

John McCain will continue to do what he has always done; love and honor liberals and spit on conservatives. It's nearly as certain as the sun setting later today.

[bert]

Meanwhile, EV has taken himself out of the game and has become irrelevant in the 2008 Presidential election.

[EternalVigilance]

An equally interesting question is whether they would support Hillary Clinton if she were the Republican nominee.

There can be no doubt that John McCain would.

"I have no doubt that Senator Clinton would make a good president." - John McCain, Meet the Press, Feb. 23, 2005

[DallasBiff]

Past electoral success won't make me support John Judas McCain either.

No problem, support anyone you want, afterall there were people who supported buggy whip manufacturer's after the introduction of the automobile.

[EternalVigilance]

Meanwhile, EV has taken himself out of the game and has become irrelevant in the 2008 Presidential election.

I haven't taken myself out of anything. I'm exactly where God wants me to be. And this isn't a game.

[AppyPappy]

No I would not support Clinton if she were the Republican nominee

[AmericaUnited]

Sorry, you missed it big time.

Huh?! I think you twisted my analogy 180 degrees.

[KC_Conspirator]

McCain is about 90% where I am politically. That is far and away enough for me.

That is about where I stand. Although I know McCain is going to cross the line on many issues, its the best choice.

Unfortunately Alan Keyes lost his relevancy a long time ago, and seems headstrong in making himself even more irrelevant.

[Lakeshark]

Guilt questions?

Hardly.

Particularly if your line in the sand is crossed by Obama. The only question that is real for me, is do I want Obama and all his minions in control of the White House. That is simply not tenable, and would destroy every conservative principle I hold.

A simple answer for me. No.