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Documents: Ivins had custody of purified anthrax
AP ^ | August 6, 2008

Posted on 08/06/2008 11:48:15 AM PDT by Shermy

WASHINGTON - Army scientist Bruce Ivins had custody of highly purified anthrax spores with "certain genetic mutations identical" to the poison that killed five and rattled the nation in 2001, according to documents unsealed Wednesday in the government's investigation.

Also, Ivins was unable to give investigators "an adequate explanation for his late laboratory work hours around the time of" the attacks, and he apparently sought to mislead investigators on the case, according to an affidavit filed by one government investigator.


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TOPICS: Anthrax Scare; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amerithrax; anthrax; antraz; bioterrorism; bruceivins; fbi; hatfield; ivins
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1 posted on 08/06/2008 11:48:15 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

So was Ivins a direct colleague of Hatfill ?? Who was giving the press all the info on Hatfill? Was it Ivins?

Anyway, certainly glad he killed himself, saves us a lot of trouble to reach the same result.


2 posted on 08/06/2008 11:51:36 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: TrebleRebel; jpl; Mitchell; Allan; Calpernia; Stentor; okie01; blackdog; The Invisible Hand; ...

Authorities seized a copy of “’The Plague” by Albert Camus.’”

Other story developing says he warned before the attacks that Bin Laden had anthrax. I bet he learned that tippy-top secret info from the news which was warning of “assymetrical” follow up attacks. And the “cropduster” news, maybe too.


3 posted on 08/06/2008 11:52:07 AM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: babble-on

Was it Ivins?

If was the Feds.

That’s why they paid Hatfill 5.8 million.


4 posted on 08/06/2008 11:55:23 AM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: Shermy

“and sent a suspicious e-mail a few days before the anthrax attacks. The e-mail warned that Osama bin Laden’s terrorists “for sure have anthrax and sarin gas” and had “just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans.” The affidavit said the language in the e-mail was similar to warnings in the anthrax letters: “WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX . . . DEATH TO AMERICA . . . DEATH TO ISRAEL.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080601400.html?hpid=topnews


5 posted on 08/06/2008 11:56:32 AM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: Shermy
Among them were video cassettes, family photos, information about guns and a copy of "The Plague" by Albert Camus.

Videocassettes? In the age of DVD?

"Family" photos?

information about "guns".

And a copy of a fictional book that students are sometimes required to read.

Reminds me of the disclosure that a "cyanide poisoning document" was seized in the FLDS raid.

6 posted on 08/06/2008 11:58:17 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: Shermy
They also reported seizing three cardboard boxes labeled "Paul Kemp ... attorney client privilege."

Is that legal? If it is marked as privileged information?

7 posted on 08/06/2008 11:59:18 AM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: Shermy
and sent a suspicious e-mail a few days before the anthrax attacks.

And no one thought to tell the media this at the time? If the FBI knew and had the recipient(s) keep quiet about it, why was the focus of the investigation on Hatfil instead of this guy?

8 posted on 08/06/2008 12:00:57 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: weegee

Reminiscent of the plague novel Hatfill wrote which was leaked as if it were a sign of his guilt.

This is a selective leak itself of a document, by a postal inspector,

Not the FBI in front of reporters.

Where’s the gun and vest Duley said Ivins bought? Was he crazy back in 2001? Is he paranoid because in an email months ago he told a friend he suspected his “theripist” was informing on him to the FBI? Can it be paranoid because now we know it’s true?


9 posted on 08/06/2008 12:02:33 PM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: Shermy
Was this the person who was responsible? From reading what has been released it is not something that can be said as truth. How did he drive over 7 hours to mail the letters and why would he mail letters to a newspaper in Florida with the poison in them? Something is still strange about this and unless more evidence is brought forward I still think it was the terrorist who did it. And where else were the anthrax, with same DNA, being developed besides in this place?
10 posted on 08/06/2008 12:03:42 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: Shermy
Ivins died July 29 after taking an overdose of Tylenol a few days earlier, even as federal agents who had trailed him for more than a year began to close in. He and his attorney, Paul Kemp, had been set to meet with prosecutors the day Ivins died. At the meeting, government lawyers were prepared to spell out their evidence and attempt to coax Ivins into a plea bargain.

Let me get this straight: the FBI believed they found their man in one of the most notorious crimes of recent years, a guy who killed five people (and could have killed many more), targeted United States Senators and major media outlets, and they were going to "attempt to coax him into a plea bargain"?

How strong a case could they have possibly had?

11 posted on 08/06/2008 12:08:23 PM PDT by jpl ("Present." - Barack Obama)
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To: YOUGOTIT
Finding the "source" of the genotype where at least 10 people had access to that "source" does nothing to target anyone in particular.

There's also a possibility here that an FBI investigator has swapped out samples actually taken from attack sites (and bodies) with samples prepared to mislead the investigation (rather like the "enhanced" blood sampling claimed in the OJ test eh.).

No one is off the hook yet, least of all any FBI investigator with ties to the Middle East.

Do we know of any such persons? (/sarc ~ we've discussed the guy in the past haven't we).

12 posted on 08/06/2008 12:10:36 PM PDT by muawiyah (We need a "Gastank For America" to win back Congress)
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To: Shermy
According to an affidavit filed by Charles B. Wickersham, a postal inspector, the scientist told an unnamed co-worker "that he had `incredible paranoid, delusional thoughts at times' and 'feared that he might not be able to control his behavior.'"

Huh? Who is this postal worker? How does he know the unnamed co-worker who supposedly told him these things?

13 posted on 08/06/2008 12:11:00 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: rhombus

“How does he know the unnamed co-worker who supposedly told him these things?”

And when did he say them? Back in 2001, or recently?

If he couldn’t “adequately” account for time spent...how long before was this? Was he asked 6 years later? What’s not “adequate”. How did he pass two polygraphs (according to his lawyer.)

The Feds are doing a release of selected affidavits, not going on the record themselves, and calling this case “solved”, but not “closed” so they can resist Congressional inquiry.


14 posted on 08/06/2008 12:14:28 PM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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To: Shermy

I think they should stop releasing anything. The more I read, the more scared I’m getting of the FBI than the terrorists.


15 posted on 08/06/2008 12:19:36 PM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: YOUGOTIT

While the letter from the Florida infection was not saved, the Washington Post repeatedly indicated that it was believed to have been mailed in Florida.

Did he do ANY travelling to Florida in 2000/2001?


16 posted on 08/06/2008 12:20:03 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: jpl

By coaxing Ivins into a plea bargain, the FBI would have been able to avoid revealing some of their crime-solving techniques in court.


17 posted on 08/06/2008 12:21:08 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Walmart: Keeping my family on-budget since 1993.)
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To: YOUGOTIT

Nothing in this case works...unless there is a 2nd person involved...to make the trips to mail the letters. I can buy on the reasoning for triggering this...to make their work amongst the most important of any government agency. But getting the letters mailed...becomes the critical part to explain....and they’ve done a lousy job.


18 posted on 08/06/2008 12:21:28 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: jpl

Sounds like they had several suspects that they were certain of being the one. Is there anything to try to connect Hatfil and this guy to the same conspiracy? And would the FBI dare say it after paying out OUR tax money in a lawsuit?


19 posted on 08/06/2008 12:22:24 PM PDT by weegee (Hi there.)
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To: weegee

Scott Shane wrote this:

But at least 10 scientists had regular access to the laboratory and its anthrax stock — and possibly quite a few more, counting visitors from other institutions, and workers at laboratories in Ohio and New Mexico that had received anthrax samples from the flask at the Army laboratory.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/washington/05anthrax.html?em


20 posted on 08/06/2008 12:31:25 PM PDT by Shermy (OOOOOOObama where the waffles come sweeping down the plains)
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