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Landmark more memorial than religious symbol
San Diego Tribune ^ | July 30th, 2008 | Matthew Hall

Posted on 07/30/2008 12:23:54 PM PDT by Raineygoodyear

The giant cross atop Mount Soledad can stay, a federal judge ruled yesterday. The La Jolla landmark has been the subject of nearly 20 years of litigation, public votes and legislative maneuvers as critics complain it's unconstitutional to have a religious symbol on public land.

But yesterday, U.S. District Judge Larry Burns said the cross – visible for miles – has become a memorial to veterans, and its secular message outweighs any religious meaning.

“The Court finds the memorial at Mt. Soledad, including its Latin cross, communicates the primarily non-religious messages of military service, death, and sacrifice,” Burns wrote.

As a result, the congressional takeover of the cross by eminent domain – an action that followed another federal judge's order that the cross could not stand on city-owned land – is constitutional, Burns ruled. The people of San Diego wanted and deserve this result,” LiMandri said. “They're not going to be able to take that cross down, and they should just deal with it.”

The ruling troubled the lawyers who challenged the transfer of the cross and surrounding veterans memorial to the federal government.

“The central fact of the case is it's a 43-foot-tall cross,” said David Blair-Loy, legal director of the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. “There's nothing more religious than a cross.”

Philip Paulson, the late atheist and Vietnam War veteran, sued over the cross in 1989, and two years later, U.S. District Judge Gordon Thompson said its presence on city land violated a ban on government preference for religions in the California Constitution.

In 2006, after giving the city years to fight or otherwise deal with his ruling, Thompson gave the city an ultimatum: take down the cross or pay daily fines.

That year, Congress passed a law taking the cross and the land on which it sits by eminent domain and giving it to the U.S. Department of Defense.

Paulson died in 2006. Two lawsuits were filed after the federal takeover, one by a friend of Paulson's, another by the Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America and three people.

Steve Hut, an attorney for the Jewish veterans group and other cross critics, said he thinks Burns misunderstood the law.

“We think we will ultimately be able to persuade a higher court our view of the facts and the law are correct and Judge Burns' view is not,” Hut said.

Others expect just such an appeal, even if they don't support it.

Harley-Davidson dealership owner Myke Shelby, who is Jewish, helped spur a local ballot measure calling for the federal takeover.

Reached in Pennsylvania last night, Shelby said, “I'm thrilled to hear it. I think it's a long time coming, and hopefully this is it, and the people who want to destroy that war memorial and want to destroy the cross will realize it's over, let it alone, let it be done, walk away.”

William Kellogg, president of the nonprofit Mount Soledad Memorial Association, which built and maintains the cross, said the judge echoed what his association has been saying for years – that the memorial is meant for veterans, not Christians.

“That makes me feel terrific because that truly is what it's all about, honoring veterans,” Kellogg said. “Our mission has been to communicate that to the public for so many years, so I think the language there is very appropriate.”


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: churchandstate; firstamendment; judiciary; mountsoledad; mtsoledad

1 posted on 07/30/2008 12:23:54 PM PDT by Raineygoodyear
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To: Raineygoodyear
the cross – visible for miles – has become a memorial to veterans, and its secular message outweighs any religious meaning.

irrelevant

2 posted on 07/30/2008 12:26:35 PM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Raineygoodyear
American Civil Liberties Union. “There's nothing more religious than a cross.”

The religious symbol for the ACLU would be either a ^hammer and sickle^ or a ^crescent and star^.

3 posted on 07/30/2008 12:27:18 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Raineygoodyear

“The central fact of the case is it’s a 43-foot-tall cross,” said David Blair-Loy, legal director of the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. “There’s nothing more religious than a cross.”

Wrong. The cross is a symbol, a sacred symbol of the Christian faith but there is so much more to Christianity than the displaying of the cross. People’s lives are guided by Christ, including those in gov’t. Many make their decisions guided by faith. What will you do then, Mr. Blair-Loy? Sue someone in gov’t because they use their faith to help them make decisions at their job?

The ACLU is so stupidly annoyed by the tangible that they miss the much bigger picture. Christianity and religion are more, MUCH more, than the crosses we erect. It’s pervasive and entrenched in people’s hearts. Try suing that.


4 posted on 07/30/2008 12:28:24 PM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Both..


5 posted on 07/30/2008 12:30:04 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Slapshot68
Yes, the Cross is bigger than our nation, or any nation. Christianity is bigger than both. We are one nation, under God, and God establishes nations. God also sent His Son to suffer and die for the sins of the world, and that made Him, Jesus Christ our Saviour, and those that believe that are called Christians.
Our government does not establish the Church, nor does it establish a faith. Our faith, Christianity,, establishes the state.
When the Church is gone, and all Christians are gone there will be no nation.
6 posted on 07/30/2008 1:18:56 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward--Anonymous))
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To: Raineygoodyear

Right decision, wrong reasoning.


7 posted on 07/30/2008 1:30:59 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Slapshot68
Many make their decisions guided by faith. What will you do then, Mr. Blair-Loy? Sue someone in gov’t because they use their faith to help them make decisions at their job?

I have been in a number of discussion with leftists who have held that a government employee should not base any decision they make on their faith, even if that decision is one of personal judgement and not the law.

8 posted on 07/30/2008 1:32:46 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF

So now the Mt. Soledad cross is on land owned by the Federal Govt? Is that the same federal govt that is run by the likes of Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy, Moran, Dorgan etc? And people are saying that the cross is safe!


9 posted on 07/30/2008 1:49:48 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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