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A New Frontier for Title IX: Science
New York Times ^ | July 15, 2008 | John Tierney

Posted on 07/15/2008 6:05:31 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Until recently, the impact of Title IX, the law forbidding sexual discrimination in education, has been limited mostly to sports. But now, under pressure from Congress, some federal agencies have quietly picked a new target: science.

The National Science Foundation, NASA and the Department of Energy have set up programs to look for sexual discrimination at universities receiving federal grants. Investigators have been taking inventories of lab space and interviewing faculty members and students in physics and engineering departments at schools like Columbia, the University of Wisconsin, M.I.T. and the University of Maryland.

So far, these Title IX compliance reviews haven’t had much visible impact on campuses beyond inspiring a few complaints from faculty members. (The journal Science quoted Amber Miller, a physicist at Columbia, as calling her interview “a complete waste of time.”) But some critics fear that the process could lead to a quota system that could seriously hurt scientific research and do more harm than good for women.

The members of Congress and women’s groups who have pushed for science to be “Title Nined” say there is evidence that women face discrimination in certain sciences, but the quality of that evidence is disputed. Critics say there is far better research showing that on average, women’s interest in some fields isn’t the same as men’s.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: science; scienceeducation; titleix
Tierney, one of the few sensible people at the NYT, ably debunks the assertions of discrimination in the rest of the article.
1 posted on 07/15/2008 6:05:31 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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I hope the science departments don't have the same problems as the sports teams have had.

Carolyn

2 posted on 07/15/2008 6:08:37 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: reaganaut1

The War Against Boys Continues...


3 posted on 07/15/2008 6:10:25 AM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: reaganaut1
Congress won't be happy until they have absolute power over a population of morons in a nation where nothing works right.

The worst case scenario in a free society is the election of incompetence.

4 posted on 07/15/2008 6:13:54 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Islam: Imagine a clown car.........with guns.)
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It wasn’t the case in the past, but today being a women in a predominantly male department puts them at an advantage in bargaining with the dean or their department head. They can demand more and get it. They often don’t want more women hired, because then they are no longer subject to special treatment and they have to compete like everyone else for promotions, lab space, grants, etc.


5 posted on 07/15/2008 6:15:50 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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Ms. Pinker says that universities and employers should do a better job helping women combine family responsibilities with careers in fields like physics.

What does this statement mean? Does it mean that women who work in the physics department find the work harder than in the math department? I doubt it. Does it mean women don't know how to work and have a family? I don't think so. Does it mean these entities need to treat women differently than men? I hope not. So what does it mean? I don't have a clue...and I'm not convince Ms. Pinker does either.

6 posted on 07/15/2008 6:21:11 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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Sometimes I think this stuff is designed to destroy our nation. Like all this global warming stuff. While Western nations are falling all over themselves to comply with environmentalist dogma, China, India, and other Asian nations will just go right on using energy as usual and will reap the benefits. Likewise, while we’re insisting on gender and race quotas in our science programs, the Asians will be filling their labs with the best candidates, and if that turns out to be 97% male, so be it.


7 posted on 07/15/2008 6:58:52 AM PDT by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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Paying taxes is like giving Congress a bottle of Scotch. They’ll give it back to you, but only after they “warm it up” first.


8 posted on 07/15/2008 7:16:13 AM PDT by CDFingers (Ethnic American Living in Massachusetts)
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I don't even have to read the entire article to say unequivocally this is alleged Title IX discrimination is utter BULLSH*T.

If women (girls) want to go into 'Science' like Engineering, Architecture, Physics or Mathematics all they have to do is qualify by passing the tests and making the grades. Over the years I've run into 'a few' female Mechanical Engineers and Architects. Discrimination had zero to do with the numbers.

And if they can get into the School of Engineering at the U of I (Champaign-Urban Campus) and graduate with a BSME without standards being lowered, then pass their PE exam like most of the boys do, I'll kiss the ground they walk on.

An aside: From what I see on the Science Channel there's NO shortage of top ranked female Archaeologists, Geologists, Physicists or Cosmologists.

9 posted on 07/15/2008 7:53:25 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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Drop Title IX Suits
USA Today (FrontPage) | Christina Hoff Sommers
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Title IX Termagants
Campus Report | February 8, 2008 | Malcolm Kline
Posted on 02/08/2008 7:32:44 AM PST by bs9021
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1967075/posts

The real assault on science
WorldNetDaily | 10 Mar 2008 | Vox Day
Posted on 03/11/2008 11:33:09 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1983964/posts

A New Frontier for Title IX: Science
New York Times | July 15, 2008 | John Tierney
Posted on 07/15/2008 7:59:55 AM PDT by yankeedame
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2045778/posts

Title IXing Science, UT-Austin Style
Campus Report | November 7, 2008 | Bethany Stotts
Posted on 11/07/2008 9:07:08 AM PST by bs9021
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2127945/posts


10 posted on 01/09/2009 2:44:23 PM PST by SunkenCiv (First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009___________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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